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- Vazelos, on 10/21/2007, -3/+99Soon to be the most popular question in the FAQ section of the Orange online store:
'Do you ship internationally?' - brwnx, on 10/18/2007, -3/+83"Awesome news... Got to love the French for having a backbone."
- Never thought I'll see this on Digg - vinnyvenus, on 10/24/2007, -6/+69why can't US have these laws?
- scratt, on 10/18/2007, -7/+61Awesome news... Got to love the French for having a backbone.
Soon all renegade iPhones will be free of the evil AT&T empire.
I am sure Apple saw this coming and are laughing all the way to the bank, at AT&T and O2's expense. Classic! - tizz66, on 10/18/2007, -5/+49The US can't have those laws because it's more capitalistic than Europe, and diehard capitalists insist that these kinds of things are taken care of by market forces (i.e. consumers vote with their wallet and eventually companies will bow to them).
Of course, it's obvious to everyone else that those things AREN'T taken care of by the market because there's collusion, imperfect knowledge and corruption. Pure capitalism is flawed, just like pure socialism is. Market forces don't work in the US like they should do. Personally, I think a blend of the two is best - capitalism, but with regulations and consumer protection. Thats just my opinion though. - piwy, on 10/18/2007, -5/+43Vive la France? And i hope these laws are enforced in the Netherlands too. We have the same laws here when it comes to locked phones.
- phoomp, on 10/18/2007, -4/+32Because American laws favor corporations while French laws favor the people.
- inactive, on 10/18/2007, -2/+29I truly believe the iPhone will be a flop in Europe. Not solely because of some of the missing features, but mainly because of the price.
- tizz66, on 10/18/2007, -2/+21And the lack of 3G, which is the common standard in Europe. The iPhone is just a bit too behind our other choices, and at too high a price.
- inactive, on 11/03/2007, -5/+23French will not put up with the crap the Americans do. Time Americans grew a pair and stand up to corporate Greed. By the way i am in Florida.
- drakelord, on 10/17/2007, -1/+19No real reason. It just happens that a small portion of users in digg are from the United States. They are frustrated by their laws, and use this place to vent. Answer your question?
- cygnus183, on 10/18/2007, -2/+19Because the corporate interest is too strong in the US, and the government can't piss them off. But you already know that
- LiquidFusion, on 10/17/2007, -6/+18Because Digg is predominantly a US site.
- edzilla, on 10/18/2007, -0/+12Obviously, you can't read correctly.(and I'm french too).
This article is only about a single department store that decided to sell iphone imported from the US, unlocked with one of the unlocking tools available to everyone.
What will happen is that orange will be the only one to have a license from apple to sell iphones, for 399 euros, but you will be able to buy one without buying a contract with it. Of course, it will be less expensive if you take a contract... - johnhummel, on 10/17/2007, -1/+12Might be the same guy with a different user name here.
- inactive, on 11/03/2007, -4/+14Prepare to be buried to death, cause if there's one rule of thumb on american sites like this one (or at least designed for an american audience), it's that you can't tell the truth if it somehow implies that France can be better at something than the USA (except for cheese-hoarding and surrendering).
- dvandewalle, on 10/18/2007, -1/+11it's called a lobbyist.
- kronix2, on 10/17/2007, -1/+10Really? 3G is big business in Europe.
- Godlike, on 10/18/2007, -1/+9Just want to say here that I never stopped liking France... France is an old, strong ally that we don't want to lose and we are coming really close politically. Pretty soon France is going to have to make some hard and fast descisions regarding immigration and they could probably really use our help when that time comes. I think we could learn a lot from each other about illegal immigration and how to deal with it, but not while King George is still around.
Please help us France, we need you right now, too! We're still friends right? :( - knyghtfyre, on 10/18/2007, -1/+9That is the only feature. Plenty of people who have unlocked their phones with IPSF or anySim are living without it today. It's not a big deal.
- villium, on 10/18/2007, -5/+13Because neiltc, despite the conditioning the average US citizen receives throughout their public education. We are not the free'est country in the world. We are an Aristocracy, a corporate welfare soon to be fascist state who's law makers are unethical and are rarely motivated by anything that doesnt benefit them.
Does that help? - dinobot, on 10/18/2007, -4/+12Someone surrendered to the French? Is this the twilight zone?
- edzilla, on 10/18/2007, -0/+8In france, it's more than unlocking that's permitted.
First, they HAVE to unlock it for free after 6 month, and if you ask before those six month, they still have to do it, but you have to pay an unlocking fee, usually between 50 and 150 euros.
But most importantly, bundled sales are forbidden. You can't force people to buy a contract in order to buy the phone. You can offer the phone for less with a contract, but I can go into an Orange store, ask for any phone, and leave with it, and without a contract. - inactive, on 10/18/2007, -1/+8whom should i be sad for, him or you?
- fkr3, on 10/18/2007, -1/+8It's a shame that Apple's strategy deliberately and actively involved forcing specific carriers.
- edzilla, on 10/17/2007, -1/+8I guess you've never been to france, then. I have 3G coverage even in Paris's subway, and 85% of the population has 3G coverage.
- synack, on 10/18/2007, -0/+7Make no mistake: I'd hit it.
- Christbait, on 10/18/2007, -2/+9And the fact that Europeans tend not to follow such hyped nonsense as much as our American cousins.
- edzilla, on 10/18/2007, -0/+6Did I forget to mention that the department store mentionned in the story is being sued by apple, and has stopped selling the phones after a few days?
- PatBateman75, on 10/18/2007, -6/+12France here. Actually, it's not Orange who will sell it. You will be able to buy it from any retailer of your choice
see http://fr.news.yahoo.com/pcinpact/20071012/ttc-un- ...
And the price will be highly exclusive: 999€ is more than $1.400! - adinu79, on 10/18/2007, -1/+7Yes, but they want to, the french market is huge, and I guess Apple is trying to get out of the AT&T crap, and this is a perfect opportunity, I mean, what can they do ... it's the law :D
- protogenxl, on 10/18/2007, -0/+6Who wants to re-enact D-Day on November 29? It would be the largest amphibious landing by geeks in history!
- erzz, on 10/18/2007, -1/+7Dump french firmware
Load french firmware to any other iphone
Profit?
Once this phone is in the wild it will be a matter of hours before non-bricking super-everlasting-unlocks for everyone :) - znicket, on 10/18/2007, -1/+6The most interesting part is how much they will sell for. If 399 euros is the standard price - can we expect to see maybe 599 euro phones? Will they sell?
- Tippis, on 10/18/2007, -0/+5An unlocked GSM phone is an unlocked GSM phone is an unlocked GSM phone...
If they try to keep it from not working, they need to break the specs quite a bit, which means they'd not only violate the anti-lockdown laws, but also potentially get into a heap of trouble with the various regulatory agencies that monitor the phone spectrum in the different countries.
The only way for them to lock it regulate it would be to reduce the number of bands it can use, which would make it the least capable phone in the last 5 years... - MonkeyHugger, on 10/18/2007, -2/+7Oh lord. A business making money. Whatever next.
- krets, on 10/17/2007, -0/+5Orange you glad I'll be selling unlocked iPhones?
- tizz66, on 10/17/2007, -0/+5Ah really... I guess that also applies to the Finnish company called (I think, it's quite a small company ;) ) 'Nokia', who pretty much single-handedly invented the modern mobile phone industry?
Open your eyes a little. - CarzorStelatis, on 10/17/2007, -0/+5Good, now EU competition law will kick in and force them to sell unlocked phones to anyone in Europe.
- EdwardsNH, on 10/18/2007, -1/+6Telecommunications has more money going to lobbyist than any other industry. I'm currently in an ongoing correspondence with my Senator (Sunnunu NH) about the the bill proposed to protect consumer interest in the cell carrier industry. He opposes the law for two main reasons.
One, he thinks competition will take care of things (see tizz66's comments above, he's right on). Two, he thinks preventing carriers from making deals with manufacturers will wind up costing the consumer. That last one infuriated me, since Verizon's locked phones nickel and dime you to death on things that should be free (taking pictures off my phone, backing up/syncing contacts, music, etc.) - erzz, on 10/18/2007, -0/+4How exactly does AT&T a) identify an iphone on its network? b) identify that it is french?
Even if they did.... they would be dumber than a George W Bush to kick people off their network... sending those heavy data using customers onto other networks!
Last of all who would actually be using AT&T on an UNLOCKED iphone :) - RyeBrye, on 10/18/2007, -0/+4But what about when the guy who owes you money calls and leaves a 4 minute message? You obviously can't just skip it if the phone is unlocked! ;)
- drewpost, on 10/18/2007, -0/+4Time to book my Eurostar ticket for the 29th!
- inactive, on 10/18/2007, -2/+6apple makes a big deal everytime job takes a *****.
- Avian00, on 10/18/2007, -0/+4Exactly what I was thinking! I'm sure Apple's thought of it too. I can't wait to see how this new element to the "cat-and-mouse" game plays out.
- johnhummel, on 10/18/2007, -1/+5What I'll find interesting is how they'll do this. Will there be a separate physically different iPhone, or will they release a firmware just for France? If the latter is the case, there's the possibility that others can just snag the firmware and install it on their non-French iPhones and unlock them. However, that likely means that all of the language options will then be in French only.
I'll be curious to see how that pans out. Either way, Viva la France, and may all other nations get such laws on their books! - chaosium, on 10/17/2007, -0/+4You're ***** retarded.
- Tippis, on 10/17/2007, -0/+3YMMV, of course, but based on my circle of friends, relatives and acquaintancies, voice mail on cell phones is pretty much dead.
No-one uses it -- if you can't reach someone you just send them an SMS, or assume that they'll see the missed call and get back to you. The only ones who occasionally use it have it as an integrated part of their company IT solution, and reroute any missed calls to that service instead. - v0yeur, on 10/18/2007, -0/+3Freedom Fries, indeed
- Tippis, on 10/18/2007, -0/+3The exact implementation of the laws differ from country to country, but the baseline is established in EU law, so it's pretty much the same thing all over the place, thanks to the common market, so I'll imagine it will be the same.
Apple is already in trouble for trying to circumvent similar laws with the iTMS (trying to enforce different market offerings and pricing structures for different EU countries), and if they try to pull the same thing with the iPhone, they'll have quite a nasty case of repeat infringement on their hands. -
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