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- marvinmatthew, on 07/23/2008, -1/+16This really isn't a mac clone. The only thing that they do that's different is give you instructions on how to install OSX on the computer (instructions that you could find on the internet). They don't even give you the OSx86 CD with the computer.
Who's gonna buy this? It's too technical for my mom & dad because it requires that they install a new OS. And it's too easy for people with a decent level of technical knowledge (like me) who would rather build their own system (at a cheaper cost) and install OSX themself.
This vendor is just another Windows OEM. - motang, on 07/22/2008, -2/+13Well looks like they are covering their asses with not pre-installing OS X...but for how long is the question.
- jer2eydevil88, on 07/23/2008, -0/+10Its a "company" using a free .tk domain and hosting their site on freewebs.com? I think its more likely a couple high school kids put this site up to sell computers and once their parents get a phone call from Apple legal the site will vanish.
- NathanCH, on 07/23/2008, -0/+95 months later:
Open Tech sued. - bpoteat, on 07/23/2008, -0/+9You mean the actual box is the best part? Really?
- kevdotbadger, on 07/23/2008, -0/+5So all they're doing is selling a standard x86 computer?
- diabulos, on 07/23/2008, -0/+5I cannot see how compatible with can be construed by Apple, in a legal court of law, as an infringement on copyright....there is nothing on the machine that they own, it does not come with the OS, so it is the user that infringes if they install the OS...any lawyers have a take?
- schneb, on 07/23/2008, -0/+4If Apple would have made a configurable half-height Mac-Prosumer model that geeks could pimp and would satisfy the average Prosumer like myself, they would never have had to worry about such upstarts. This is Apple's fault for dropping the ball and leaving such a glaring gap in their product line.
Jobs made the same mistake starting Apple by making it a closed-architecture and an overpriced proprietary hardware. PCs won. Jobs was kicked, then PowerComputing filled the gaps with better hardware at a lower price. Jobs came back in and stopped PowerComputing's successful trend and returned Apple to overpriced proprietary hardware. Sorry Steve, no way to stop an avalanche that you started. - arjie, on 07/23/2008, -0/+4What? That's just retarded. Any court that allows that is off its rocker.
If what you're saying is true, does every manufacturer of every peripheral for a Mac computer have to get some sort of approval from Apple? I'm not talking about a standard 'Certified for Mac OS X' logo like the Vista one, I'm talking about just the words 'compatible with'. - inactive, on 07/23/2008, -0/+4Well the mac mini is neat cause it can sit on your desk, the iMac is neat cause it is the monitor too, but the Power mac is just another tower.
Apple hardware is neat, but when it comes down to it, I don't care what my desktop computer looks like. As long as it works. - mlagana, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3i'm not sure what you disagree with, i'm just saying for people who need a mac, but can't afford it this looks good
- KingFog, on 07/23/2008, -1/+4Uhhh what? The hardware is not made by Apple... Nor is it specifically made for Macs either!
Hard drives from Seagate and Hitachi, nVidia Graphics Cards, Intel Processors etc etc etc... - PleaseJustDie, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3You don't really understand what the Quad Core and Pentium D processors are do you? Let me enlighten you somewhat.
The Pentium D is a dual core (hence the d) processor. That means it has two processors on one chip. It was the grandfather of the Core 2 Duo chips that are prevalent now (and what you'll find as a 2 core processor on an Apple)
The Quad Core processor in their higher up system is the same you'll get in a Quad core (4 core processor) Apple. The 8 core Apple is the only difference where the motherboard they use on that allows 2 quad core processors and this company doesn't sell a system like that. - mlagana, on 07/23/2008, -4/+7it's soo not a status symbol. That's just a bitter thing PC users say for some reason?
i need a mac, for final cut pro. (tried other programmes, avid and premiere but really they don't compare.)
the majority of people aren't going to want to build there own computer, or deal with any complicated OS. except for people working in computers.
If you want to build your computer and run it with the complicated grandchild of MSDOS and feel like a mighty hacker, that's your nerdy prerogative. when it comes to ease of use, MACOS has always been atleast 8 years ahead of windows. (waits to be branded fanboy by more bitter PC users).
and yes it's more expensive to buy a brand new apple, but that's why i never have. you can buy refurbished, or just wait till before a new model comes out for all the prices to go down dramatically. - Gee1004, on 07/23/2008, -1/+4I doubt Jobs made a mistake. Apple made the mistake of firing him. Now since he's back, Apple is now worth around 43 billion dollars.
- kevdotbadger, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2Apple can't do anything.
All they're doing is selling a standard desktop computer. - inactive, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2You are regurgitating Political Science 101. Thanks!
You are also equating support for Open Source with support for communism, which is laughable and sad. Besides, opposing capitalism does not necessitate supporting communism.
The fact remains that Apple should consider giving consumers an opportunity to decide what they want in the combination of an OS and its supporting hardware without having to receive a stamp of approval from Steve Jobs. - wildsnake, on 07/23/2008, -2/+4Why doesn't anybody else want to make a great linux flavor along with the drivers for the most popular hardware to compete with MacOS, so we can end the, " I want to sell Apple Mac clones" BS
- MacParrot, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2Unless OpenTech includes some kind of specific Apple proprietary software, there is little Apple can do about it. Including the information on how to install OS X on a generic PC isn't copyright infringement. Just don't expect Apple to service your FrankenMac or even offer OS X support.
- BlackCow, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2Bitter, is that the word Mac users use when PC users point out the flaws in Mac computers. Building isn't hard, its plugging parts in, a monkey could do it. The point is you have that freedom with PCs and with Macs you do not.
I argue that because of the competitive PC hardware market PCs are the better option. - raynar, on 07/23/2008, -1/+3Apple can't do anything about it. Just because you *can* install osx on it, doesnt mean they support it/provide it/encourage it. Hell, if thats true, than ANY computer maker and off the wall parts store can be sued, since they all make parts that *could* be used.
- absentmindedjwc, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2from engadget about open tech:
In addition to the EULA and copyright allegations, Apple's complaint against Psystar has claims for inducing copyright infringement and infringing on Apple trademarks by advertising non-Apple machines as compatible with OS X which is exactly Open Tech's ploy here.
Just because you guys "think" it is ok, doesn't mean it is - streak, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2hah! the emperor wears no clothes!!
- P373Y, on 07/23/2008, -2/+3i disagree. if you look at the overall use of computers by the general public, they are used by people who just use it for yahoo mail, myspace, the "W" and aim.
- themuffinman, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1Why doesn't anybody else want to invent a cure for cancer, so we can end this whole "dying of cancer" thing? Easier said than done.
- Eldoo77, on 07/23/2008, -2/+3Same as Apple. What's your point?
- r3zonance, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1Not really, spec for spec they are pretty equally priced to normal PCs (don't just look at the CPU speed, make sure you compare the exact same CPU model number as they perform quite differently).
- thelaxdude, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1I agree. I want a Mac that is between an iMac and a Pro. 2 optical bays, at least 2 hard drive bays and room for some cards...that I would probably never change from the stock graphics card. Since it would not be a high horsepower machine, maybe aim it at the prosumer-audio market. I would be happy if it were just an iMac under the hood. Make it a modern LC pizza box and use the same iMac mobo.
Sure I can live with externals...but I don't want too. Which is exactly why Steve wants me to only be able to buy an iMac, paying too much for a burner, and a new monitor every time I need to upgrade.
It would affect the bottom line too much. They are much happier charging us $200-300 for every little thing that could have been recycled from my last machine (optical, display). Even if they do make this machine, it would probably only have (f'ing) slot loading optical bays and proprietary cards. - wildsnake, on 07/23/2008, -3/+4So being dugg down just proves only Apple is capable of making a great OS and hardware to match.
- LeviTheSmith, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1I think I know what you mean..
You mean like someone makes a Linux Distro that is installed on a PC where ALL the hardware works like a Mac does? - eldridgea, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1Thank for info on this new Ubuntu machine.
- thedreaming1, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1The specs on both machines aren't bad, but not great. You really can build the same for less at other places or even yourself, but the part that caught my eye is this:
"OS X Leopard Will not be pre-installed or included. You can purchase an Open Tech compatible install disc from a third-party vendor or install it yourself using our Do-it-Yourself kit."
It's the "Do-it-Yourself Kit" and the "compatible install disc" that has me concerned.
Apple should have attacked Psystar immediately, but didn't and now this company pops up trying to do the same thing, but a little smarter.
I'm sure the next company will say, "Our machine runs all Operating Systems, if you're smart enough." - MacParrot, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1"The fact remains that Apple should consider giving consumers an opportunity to decide what they want in the combination of an OS and its supporting hardware without having to receive a stamp of approval from Steve Jobs"
.eggballs,
Go to ANY Apple Store/Best Buy/ ect that has copies of OS X for sale. Pick up the box and present payment. Not a single person will ask you for proof that it is intended for an Apple branded computer.
Just don't expect any after-sales service for OS X on non-Apple computers. - r3zonance, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1and it costs lots of money too
- r3zonance, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1lol their forum has ONE post ONLY, and no reply to it.
- r3zonance, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1well your $2800 did get you TWO quad-core XEON processors, which will far out-perform that OpenTech Pro box.
Those Xeons also have 3x the L2 cache (12MB) PER PROCESSOR as well.
All in all, the Mac Pro will crap all over 2-3 of these OpenTech Pro boxes easily. - r3zonance, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1"The fact remains that Apple should consider giving consumers an opportunity to decide what they want in the combination of an OS and its supporting hardware without having to receive a stamp of approval from Steve Jobs."
Why should they? Certainly not "cos you said".
Besides they do give you a choice:
Windows - Mac/Generic PC
Linux - Mac/Generic PC
Mac OS X - Mac
Apple give you THREE choices of OS to go with your Mac.
I think Microsoft and every other software vendor should be FORCED to write a Mac OS X version of their software too (sarcasm).
Don't be so biggoted - r3zonance, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1Compatible does sort of imply some kind of endorsement.
- greatblackowl, on 07/23/2008, -2/+2The selling point of a Mac is that the hardware and software are made by the same people and are made for each other. I'd argue that this is the best part, and what Open Tech is missing.
- mdman, on 07/24/2008, -1/+1LOL. its about time. Apple is way over priced hardware
- jer2eydevil88, on 07/23/2008, -2/+2Communism doesn't work very well except on paper. People like to be rewarded for doing a good job and that reward is usually called pay.
Open Source works fine in a capitalist world because sharing parts of code helps everyone but considering that almost all the large Open Source Projects now have enterprise versions they sell I think your argument would be mute. - absentmindedjwc, on 07/23/2008, -4/+3still no dice, they are going to get the same attention from apple as PsyStar...
Apple is going to have a problem with the "compatible with" as much as just installing the damn OS... That is one of the reasons PsyStar is being sued.. not just for installing the OS (because not all of the computers come with it installed, just.. compatible)
According to apple, having "compatible with OSX" is just as much infringement as installing the OS outright for the consumer. - webweave, on 07/23/2008, -1/+0What the hell are you talking about? I read through the install docs and it's a lot easier and a lot less work than keeping a Vista or XP pc running. I guess mom & dad are pretty good now at deciding weather the weekly windows update is real or a finely crafted script ready to run a virus or installing and paying for after market virus software is now so much easier than just running a Mac that does not require some long product key and frequent calls home. Anyway you can get a Mac running is going to be a lot easier than keeping windows running.
I'm a unix hacker and running my expensive, beautifully designed Mac for my personal workstation gives me the same feeling of quality and assurance that running NeXT, SGI, Sun, or DEC computers that came before it did. I don't want to look at some bottom market consumer grade piece of crap PC every day, design matters and quality costs. I might buy one of these OpenTech pcs for a server or some other back room job or even just to test it but when the work is important I spend the bucks. - BlackCow, on 07/23/2008, -5/+3No one "needs" a Mac. Its a status symbol. Building your own is always the best and cheapest option.
- muppetjones, on 07/23/2008, -2/+0Correct me if I'm wrong, but what set Apple apart from the beginning (and I assume to this day, considering Apple's isolation of its market) was their patent on their technology; meaning if anyone tried to copy it or create anything which could use their technology, it would be in violation of said copyright.
I know scientific patents last for a particular number of years depending on the type of patent, yet Apple's patent is quite old and may have fallen under a different set of patent regulations.
Anyone know where the Apple patent stands? - mlagana, on 07/23/2008, -6/+4people like me...i bought a mac pro tower for $2800, this is pretty much the same but much cheaper.
people who buy macs are more likely to not have a decent level of technical knowledge (like me), but just need it for things like final cut pro, or graphic design stuff. We don't want to be bogged down with opening the computer up or even thinking about it's interior, but learning how to install OSX on this machine would be well worth it to save $1000 or more. - inactive, on 07/23/2008, -4/+2Buy an Apple product, lose an arm and/or leg.
- raynar, on 07/23/2008, -6/+2osx looks like it was made by mattel. If you cant figure it out, then you need to go back to the short bus.
- evanfrey, on 07/23/2008, -8/+3WOW!!!! Really?? An x86 computer????? Does it have a huge blocky case?? It does!!! Holy *****!
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