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- sleepyness, on 10/12/2007, -5/+73Probably not, as they're taking forever to release a Universal version of CS2 or CS3.
- gfw123, on 10/12/2007, -13/+77This thread is useless without pictures....
- ricodued, on 10/12/2007, -6/+54Aewhereos:
That's great, except not all 5,200 employees are developers. A lot of them are management, marketing, PR, executive and administrative stuff, janitors, etc. etc. - gavroche, on 10/12/2007, -8/+48You sure Adobe dont have more then 180 people doing mac stuff?
just asking - sleepyness, on 10/12/2007, -34/+69Yay for the extreme bias of Digg (anti-microsoft)...so lame, digg me down then fanboys.
- dmorel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+34"Microsoft and Macintosh are two great tastes that taste great together."
The quote that launched a thousand flame wars - TGMD, on 10/12/2007, -17/+43Are you somehow suggesting that the users of digg are biased?
I mean have you seen the political section? It's totally balanced at ALL TIMES!!!
/sarcasim - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+35I like being on Macintosh girls...
- Aewheros, on 10/12/2007, -14/+38Adobe has around 5200 employes...I'm sure more more than a mere 3.5% of them are doing "Mac stuff"!
- mandarin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24Im actually curious about this. Microsoft promotes Mac support for Office and such. Mac users still hate Microsoft with every fiber of their being. Why is that?
- xoineg, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24Most Mac using girls are good looking...just stop by an apple store and look...well at least in NYC.
- RaistlinMajere, on 10/12/2007, -14/+32No boobs, no digg
- ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22Yeah don't forget that 100 million dollar money injection from Microsoft that helped keep Mac alive.
- alwaysmc2, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22Well I think the point is that the generic Mac person hates Microsoft and has orgasms over Steve Jobs, while the generic Microsoft persion really doesn't care.
- databasecowboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16They tried it, but it never got off the ground... it was called Microsurfs, based on Douglas Coupland's book about developers at Microsoft mid 1990's. A lot of it revolved around Macs. They even had hamsters named "look" & "feel". It would have been a great show.
- starmanjones, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19@mandarin
>Im actually curious about this. Microsoft promotes
>Mac support for Office and such. Mac users still
>hate Microsoft with every fiber of their being. Why is that?
it goes way back. in the beginning apple was the bigger company and gave microsoft a job developing a a spreadsheet and word processor... which turned into office. apple gave microsoft some macs which were reverse engineered... and used to produce windows. the general consensus is that mac code lingered in windows until w2k.
microsoft has also made a habit of watching the market and third party development... when they see something promising they put out a press release saying they are developing a similar product... causing the third party developer to loose its venture capital. microsoft subsequently kills the mac development. that is why the machine with superior graphics has fewer games.
the whole FUD thing... where microsoft requires hardware companies to bundle windows and spends a lot of money spreading FUD about apple... the precept ion that says windows is better for business was entirely engineered by microsoft. no mac has ever been made without plug and play networking. that should be good for business. office and multiplan [excel] were developed for macintosh. desktop publishing,.. something that should be good for business was created by apple. ease of use... should be good for business... most of the industry standard programs like quark... photoshop... pagemaker... the whole adobe suit were developed for macintosh and ported to windows later. this list goes on and on. it was microsoft FUD and apples good guy mentality that created the idea that windows was better.
so mac people have always correctly seen microsoft as a company that produced an inferior product and use paid for FUD in an attempt to kill apple. thats the version. - mandarin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15I dont know Kale but MS seems to have mellowed down a bit and seems to be decent. Still some bugs on the browser though. I have used both OS and naturally like the Aqua interface. However I have worked with hardcore Mac fanboys and some of them are really awful. One of them sarcastically says Mac has games when I was asking what game were they playing. The other didnt want to touch my pc laptop because he didnt know what to do (like look at a particular email on MS Outlook).
Im pretty sure not all Mac users are the same and I ended up with the jerks. - sleepyness, on 10/12/2007, -24/+36Yay for Microsoft!
- tinygibbles, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Mac Girls Ugly?
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/apple/victorias-secret-models-like-macbooks-too-192281.php - aaryn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13When I was 13, I used to make comments like this one all the time
- eagleswings, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16So WHAT is it you do in your Apple division at Microsoft? You've not released Office in ages, you don't do IE anymore, we can only watch WMV through a plug-in to QuickTime.
What does 180 people do all day? (Reverse engineer Tiger?) ;) - ElectroBot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11If you read the post of some people on Mac-related stories here, you might get a feeling that quite a few PC users hate Macs and/or Mac users.
- antitab, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13"actually threemagic apple ripped off the X windows from unix to make it's GUI so...... read a book first before you comment"
Hahaha oh ***** wow.
The X Window System wasn't even born until 1984. The Apple Lisa began development in 1978. You meant to say "Apple ripped off the Xerox Alto interface to make its GUI". It was a simple, and semi-forgivable mistake. But for *****'s sake, don't go off about reading a book when your claims are even less accurate. - Vermifax, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I liked that article. Made me feel all warm and fuzzy.
It's like Wookiees and Imperial Stormtroopers having beers together at the same sports cantina, watchin' the pod races and tellin' each other Bantha jokes.
$100M injection from Bill to Apple? Bill needed to do that. If Apple had folded their tents then, the DOJ would be all over Bill, Paul and the rest of Redmond. So, between survival instincts and theft guilt, Bill needed to do that.
Microsoft is King of the Software World and yet, they still consider it good business sense to employ 180+ people to make software for the Mac platform. You PC gaming trollers could take a cue from one of MS's business pearls.
A rep for Microsoft even said publicly that Office for Mac had more features and perks than the XP version.
I'm a proud Apple fanboy and I use MS products. I purchased an XBOX 360 for my nephew. I have two (2) Hotmail accounts. I use the MSN Messenger for Mac. I have the latest version of MS Office for my Mac. I've given MS a good deal of money in the last two years, debunking the awful myth that "Apple fanboys" hate ALL things Microsoft.
I just can NOT stand Windows! ANY version of it! This is from the position of someone who secretly wishes that Vista redeems MS from all of their past OS wrongdoings. I really HOPE that Vista rocks!
If Vista is lame, I'm going to be sad. And scared. I'd love to have a variety of rock-solid OSes that can aid in my productivity, personal AND professional. I'm not an "all-eggs-in-one-basket" kind of guy.
If Vista tanks.......all I'd have left is Mac. Which isn't terrible. Apple has saved my ass on many a professional day and has made me lots of money. However, what is Steve retires and some idiot takes over and runs Apple into the ground? This is a real fear because that has happened before.
I don't hate Microsoft. I just hate Windows, Sony and PC gaming trollers. I need Vista to completely rock and to shut up the naysayers so, I can FINALLY take a Microsoft OS seriously. Plus, competition is great for tech innovation.
To hate EVERYTHING Apple and to hate EVERYTHING Microsoft is just silly.
Sony? That's a little different.... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12I went to an Apple store and this is what I found:
http://notquiteleet.com/?p=8
seriously... - wearescience, on 10/12/2007, -9/+16I smell a sitcom...
- mturn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@i6koi - no. from the microsoft webpage:
"The Macintosh Business Unit (MacBU) at Microsoft is the largest, 100 percent, Mac-focused developer of Mac software outside of Apple itself."
the comment is referring to the mac unit only, and not all of microsoft. - nodong, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@JohnCrighton et al.
Don't you get it yet? If duplicate stories are Dugg, then there are still people who haven't seen it and are interested! What the hell is wrong with all you dupetards? - sleepyness, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8You realize Office 2004 is updated pretty frequently..
- gwalbridge, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9"Probably not, as they're taking forever to release a Universal version of CS2 or CS3"
That's because the transition requirements are very very massive. It's not as though any of their products are written in XCode, and they're not exactly Cocoa apps either. They have a Cocoa wrapper around a Carbon application. This is the same thing they did when switching from 68K to PPC... They wrote a wrapper, but back then it was a lot simpler. I don't know if they'll be writing a wrapper this time around, it seems that the differences between doing that and porting it to XCode are probably negligible. - anonydigg, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Don't worry. Whenever you drop to 3% market share, or do something good for Open Source, we'll start empathizing with you.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9She looks like the sister of "PC" in the Macintosh Ads
HAHAHAHAHHAAH - reddevil3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I agree.
- Stopher, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Gag me with a marketing spoon.
- blapierre, on 10/12/2007, -18/+22Because they are upset that others don't lock themselves into a single hardware company like they do.
- ElectroBot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Do you have a link?
- weprin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Companies are their own social microcosms. I wonder how the developers at Microsoft must look at the Mac team as outsiders... perhaps affectionately referred to as "the dark side" (we have a software development unit that is referred to as such, humorously). How interesting.
- Kale, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12@mandarin: The OS treated end-users like criminals (it's why I switched to Mac). The software for mac (Office in particular) is pretty nice and universal, but it is the only thing on my mac that crashes (albeit not too often). WMP needs an overhaul, though.
- KSUdesigner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4How is this article in any way anti-Microsoft? This article is about how microsoft and apple are working together. Did you even read it? And no such thing as microsoft fanatics? You must be new to digg, as I've seen plenty of fanatics from both sides commenting on these stories.
- threemagic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5A console? Are you suggesting a CLI???
When was the last time you saw a Mac? Last time I knew OS X's CLI (shell) is way more powerful then MS's command is. - sleepyness, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@somnus
I know the dock hides, but I hate having to hide either the dock or the taskbar. Also the minimizing apps/docs to the dock when you have many windows open doesn't help either, as they shrink into unrecognizable little icons sitting on the right side of the dock, and as you add more, each becomes smaller and smaller, in the end, you still have to hover over the icon to figure out what the ***** it is. Just as useless as the taskbar.
With the PS thing, I think you're just used to the way the dock works. If you're in Windows, click on the jpeg and drag it, then just easily alt-tab into PS, that works fine. It's just a different way of doing things. Just because you're used to that one way of doing things doesn't mean it's the only way nor is your way the best way for everyone. - mattvogt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@brentzilla:
Actually, I'm a Mac fan but am anti Mac-Fanboy. I'm typically not a fan of anyone who refuses to even consider that different products are for different uses for different people. You know, think different. Do I wish that XP, 2K (name your MS OS) was more secure? Sure, but I still enjoy the OS and what I can do with it. - snugsoho, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3A hundred and eighty employees doing exactly what these days? The Office Suite doesn't seem to have been updated in donkeys years and the rest of Microsoft's Mac software portfolio has either recently been abandoned or are long neglected.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Like, totally.
- jawadde, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6bollocks. bugs in Office/mac. Plenty. Same ones as in Office Win. Probably a portability layer. With eye candy to fool easy users like you. a. bit. like. using. punctuation. to. distract. from. lack. of. content
- SuperFarStucker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Go try openoffice and get back to us.
- alwaysmc2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3So you're saying that Microsoft can do no good because it has almost all of the market share? So what happens if Microsoft DOES drop to 3%, and Mac or Linux take its place? Will they become evil simply because they have all the market share?
- justice7, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Why is this considered so weird? (Mac developers at Microsoft)
Microsoft is a Software company... Mac happens to create hardware AND software...
a big fat DUH to those of you who find it strange. - somnus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5@sleepyness:
The dock hides, and is *far* more useful than that godawful taskbar. More than 10 windows open? Unreadable. The dock is organized like the alt-tab system and then the windows like a subset of that. Also, fullscreen your document and you won't be distracted by your desktop.
One more thing:
Having an all-encompassing program window to put all your other windows in is, to me, like wearing a full body leotard to keep your pants on.
Another analogy would be like putting a blank piece of paper over everything on your physical desk before doing any task.
I use windows at work and I loathe it. There are so many small things that bother me, such as, to name one, linking a file into illustrator or photoshop. Say it's a jpeg you want to add into your psd. On a Mac, you drag it to the dock, drop it on PS and it opens. You then drag it into your document. In Windows, if you drop it on the task bar, it not only doesn't let you, it basically says "I know you want to open this file, but I'm not going to let you. Do it my way because your workflow is stupid". You have to either: right click>>open with PS; or drag to the taskbar, then wait for PS to come forward, then drop it on a specific part of the screen, otherwise it just gets dropped into your current document which is hell if you wanted to do anything with it first.
Wow... sorry about the rant! - brentzilla, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5@Electrobot: Exactly. There are just as many Anti-Mac "fanboys" as there are Mac "fanboys".
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