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- danamania, on 10/12/2007, -2/+85Goodness, this *is* quite old :). I'm the gal who got the centris starting to boot 2 years ago, and you're correct - that article doesn't show any more than the apple splash screen.
Eventually, that boot failed as some parts of PearPC (which was used running on a 68k Debian Woody install) were buggy when running on non x86 machines, so I abandoned that try and kept watch on the PearPC mailing list. Not long after the particular bug causing problems was fixed, and I tried again with another 68k, a quieter Quadra 605 ( http://www.danamania.com/605 ). That one booted further, but after several days of emulation the old hard drive gave out with a horrid screeching noise. With no spare old SCSI drives big enough to hold both debian 68k and a Panther disk image, I put it aside for a while and never got around to restarting the project.
Since I no longer have a PC running pearpc in order to re-make a small simple Panther disk image, the idea is permanently shelved - not that it would have been all that much more interesting to see a finder window at ~0.05MHz :)
Dana - netburnr, on 10/12/2007, -5/+37Not to piss in anyones wheeties but....
A more acurate title would be:
"Old Mad collector gets OSX BOOT SCREEN to show up on blah blah blah"
It never said in the article that it fully booted, it said he got to the Grey screen with the Apple. There is A LOT of stuff that has to happen correctly after that for the system to boot, and about a billion ways the boot can/will fail. - blakespot, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19I've basically got an early version of Mac OS X running on a 33MHz 68040 machine, here in the house. Complete with 21" color display and everything. Have a look:
http://www.blakespot.com/list/images/ns1.jpg
...
http://www.blakespot.com/list/images/ns6.jpg - punx45, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17article written Oct 24, 2004
apparently it is still booting. - netburnr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Good to see the original Author's remarks, thanks for the update Dana
- jmlumpkin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9That is NeXtStep - the precursor to OS X. The currend Mac OS is is based on this...not Classic.
- sashmit, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10NeXTSTEP IS (basically) an early version of OSX.
- whiskeybravo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I dugg it just for this line :-)
"So what's next?
Resurrecting my Mac II (68020 with FPU) in order to get an even slower machine booting OSX. I expect to have this done by the time longhorn ships." - TheCheeta, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Thank you, stick. These alternative spellings of words are killing me. Can we have a stupid speak filter in addition to the profanity filter, please?
- triska, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6What? they never had DVD drives.
- SVPirate, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Actually, by lineage, it's a *very* close relative. Same underpinnings & kernel just a different GUI. OK - conceed - it's not 'OS X' but it's a lot closer to it than anything else running natively on a 68k.
Nice slab, btw. - jccalhoun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7If only there were some way for anyone to submit news stories and allow a community to vote on them then you could submit your own stories or vote down the stories if you don't like them...
- jejones, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Nice to see a reminder that there were once processors that were actually pleasant to program in assembly language. Yes, the obscenity that is the 80x86 architecture has had dozens of layers of kludges attached to it over the years, and has been made to run very fast indeed... but it's still an obscenity.
- ishmal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Oh how I loved the mc68k. 68k Assembler was such a joy. Elegant and simple.
- wurzelgummage, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Looks like it's being used to serve the linked article.
/standard comment - blakespot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4...of course, you can get OPENSTEP up and running on your Intel Mac if you so desire. A project I worked through a few months back:
http://www.maconintel.com/news.php?article=179 - Takuro, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7http://duggmirror.com/apple/Old_mac_collector_gets_OS_X_running_on_25MHz_68040_from_1993/
The site's going down time to time. Try that URL out if you can't view it.
Dugg - whisperedlie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"So what's next?
Resurrecting my Mac II (68020 with FPU) in order to get an even slower machine booting OSX. I expect to have this done by the time longhorn ships."
ouch. - colonelpanic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I used to have a powermac 7100. About 7 or 8 years ago. I put a G3 upgrade card in it. I ran os x using some freware app that allows it to boot. Its distributed by OWC check them out. ( www.macsales.com )
- Kyderdog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3not quite the samething...
Try running XP on a 25mz 386 that would be about the same speed - BladeMelbourne, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5You should try again after downloading TinyXP. When it has loaded it is using just under 40 MB RAM if you turn off the 3-4 services that you don't need.
I run it in Virtual PC on my Mac, and have Peer Guardian and uTorrent running inside.
I also recently restored a 486 DX2 66 MHz with 12 MB RAM.
Win 3.11 + TCP + Y2K patches.
Office 4.3 (Word 6, etc)
MSIE 2 and 5.
Mosaic 0.4 and 0.9.
Netscape 3.04 and Netscape 4.08
And all my old school games (Doom 1 + 2, Quake, Duke Nukem 3D, Descent, etc).
2X CD is working, so is the sound blaster and 10 mbps ethernet. It was cool to run Windows 3.11 at 1024x768 for the first time :-)
I aim to keep it and show my grandchildren one day. - blakespot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3EmmEff,
Indeed, that is NEXTSTEP v3.3. OS X is modelled after NEXTSTEP, or OPENSTEP (which is an evolution of NEXTSTEP) more specifically. The initial developer release of Apple's Rhapsody was little more than a port of OPENSTEP to the Mac's PowerPC platform, with a Finder interface. Rhapsody became Mac OS X.
Whereas NEXTSTEP / OPENSTEP are built on Mach and BSD, OS X is built on Mach and FreeBSD.
More info here: http://www.objectfarm.org/Activities/Publications/TheMerger/index.html - triska, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3> why not post more interesting articles about about how corrupt
> Apple are and their propensity to manufacture toxic burning
> computers built by slave labour in China ...
Because none of those points are true. - Kyderdog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3you mean mid 2008? :)
- nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4From the little Q&A at the end:
"So what's next?
Resurrecting my Mac II (68020 with FPU) in order to get an even slower machine booting OSX. I expect to have this done by the time longhorn ships."
Any progress? Longhorn's going to ship within a year... - danceparty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2damn it I love this stuff. My first Mac was a Quadra 605. oh do I miss it. if any of you have one to sell me, please email me at jerryfarina@gmail.com. Hey Dana, I love your gallery of old Macs. I love that you guys are so into this...
- rauz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Haha, I was just gonna paste that myself :)
- uownedge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I love old Apple hardware. Have a pretty good collection of my own going. I've got a couple of Pre-G3 boxes that I was fairly easily able to get OS X running on, but those were a bit newer than the hardware Dana used. I've got a few of the older ones that I have yet to attempt OS X on, but just might try. :)
I've also been itching to get my hands on a NeXT box...but finances haven't allowed for extra spending recently. - maram500, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1probaby mid-'07...i hope...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1LoL nofx!!
- maram500, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This article is obviously old. Might I point out at the end the author refers to "Longhorn", the codename used by Microsoft for Windows Vista. It's great to see such ancient tech used for someithng (even if it is ridiculous useless), though. Now if only someone could get an Atari 2600 to emulate an Xbox 360 game...or even a Nintendo 64 game... Wishful thinking.
- mikesol, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2This is bitchin' rad by virtue of its being absolutely useless. I fully support this endeavour.
- ThinkBox, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Sweet, I wonder if he can get vista running on todays average PC - now that would be news!!!
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Flight Attendant - http://www.flightattendanttrainingonline.com - slasherx, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6I once ran XP on an Intel Pentium 60mhz with 40 megs of ram. It was "decent" until I started to do any multitasking and I had to wait about a minute or two for it to boot up. But other than that, there was no problem! I had no real reason to do it other than to see if it could be done. This story reminds me of that time, but I'm not sure if it's comparable since I'm not familiar with MAC specifications. Nice accomplishment on his behalf though.
- nybe, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1but why for?
- bobbob1016, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4I heard about something like this a while ago. Someone installed debian on an ancient machine, then got it to emulate and boot OSX.
- guytoronto, on 10/12/2007, -9/+5If NeXTSTEP is OS X, a dinosaur is a chicken.
- snurfle, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1500 times slower, 4000 times slower
That kind of math has always puzzled me...
Is it 500 times slower, or is it 1/500 as fast?
Just curious.
And a boot screen does not mean OSX is running! - MikeZ, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2thats stupid he had to take the dvd drives out
- cakestick, on 10/12/2007, -13/+7...pritty...kool...
- RFInfection, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4I have a Macintosh PowerPC 7100. Got it for 27 bucks. OS 7. I feel very ripped off.
- cobr@, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2lame, macosX is not like xp on th esame system, use mini xp and it worls and not to mention dsl linux. this is really lame,cause a unix system would load on such a system, its aqua that might be the part that does not boot. still nothing new
- rasterbator, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1Three words: Get A Life.
- ArcusOfSV, on 10/12/2007, -11/+2Thats not OSX. What are you talking about.
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