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- Raian, on 10/10/2007, -0/+38After using this for a while -- I have to say Apple did get it right, I have yet to test out the docx and new excel formats, but I've heard they are working fine.
I think when Office '08 finally rolls around, I am not going to purchase it-- it doesn't offer any advantages over iWork, at least in terms of my needs.
I actually like Apple mail/address book/iCal, I prefer using separate apps rather than entourage or outlook.
It's good to have choice, and I'm glad Apple has taken the time to put together a solid productivity app. - mateo60, on 10/10/2007, -1/+24Every Open Office file I've used works.
- SPECOPS, on 10/10/2007, -1/+22Just enter a serial, if you choose to buy it, Apple will even email you the serial while your media is being shipped.
- backin5minutes, on 10/10/2007, -0/+19i just downloaded the trial, boy is it sweet. i'm not quite sure how well it will stack up to office 07 (or whatever they end up calling it for mac) but i'm definitely using this until the January release. Office 04 just sucks balls. plain and simple. plus every document from iwork it just so damn slick
- recover82, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15Also not "overpriced" is the entire iLife '08 Suite that comes pre-installed on all new systems or is available for purchase @ only $79. Not to mention the cost of all of their hardware, also, not overpriced. They don't sell stripped down obsolete systems with excess bloatware like all the other PC manufacturers. You're a boob, sir.
- dantsai, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12Can anyone who has the trial confirm if OpenOffice files are compatible with iWork yet?
- allanpat, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12all your screenshots show is that microsoft programs have more buttons than apple. as usual.
though i do have to give microsoft credit - the ribbon is a vast improvement, but i wouldn't necessarily call it intuitive.
considering iWork 08 is relatively cheap & MS Office for mac won't come out til next year, i might give apple a try. I'm guessing it won't take them long to trump MS Office in usability. - danielwsmithee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11It only does that if you purchase it from inside the trial download. If you just order the boxed copy you just get mailed the box copy.
- gugin, on 10/10/2007, -3/+13panther sucked ass. Upgrade to Tiger or wait for Leopard.
- mateo60, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10It's not as simple as "number of diggs".
- hotpepper, on 10/10/2007, -4/+14Doesn't work on Panther.
- danielwsmithee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9No I just use a little thing called common sense!
- danielwsmithee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Yes
- Raian, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8They call it an algorithm ...
- danielwsmithee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7I have been playing with Numbers all morning. That alone is worth the purchase price. It solved most of the annoying quirks of Excel. However it is missing a few features. Like having a scatter plot with a line connecting the points. Performing a curve fit on a plot etc (though Excels version of this has major bugs).
- yanked, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Having used Numbers a bit yesterday, I'd say it's an okay clone of Excel, but a bit underpowered. The main issue for the simple spreadsheet I was using was that Numbers can't do a scatter plot with lines (dates on one axis, prices on the other). Plus, there seems to be a large bug in setting the axes for the scatter plot, where it mixes up the X and Y ranges in a weird way. Nor does it automatically format the graphs nearly as well as Excel does (jumbled lines and messy decimals). I'm no fan of MS, but Numbers feels a bit unpolished. However, it does snap the graphs to a grid in a nice way that formats the spreadsheet cleanly if you're going to print it.
- TimmyGUNZ, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Tiger has been out for a long time now. If you expect to be able to run new software, you're going to have to find a way to afford upgrades or stop bitching.
- djpants428, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6I'm liking this program also, it seems much snappier than '06. I also noticed something, the sizes of the applications are much, much smaller than before:
Keynote '06: 1.12 GB
Pages '06: 853 MB
vs
Keynote '08: 282 MB
Pages '08: 265 MB
That's a big difference.. - danielwsmithee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6The family pack seems pretty clear to me. You can install it on five machines located in the same residence! End of story.
"The Family Pack Software License Agreement allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on up to a maximum of five (5) Apple-labeled computers at a time as long as those computers are located in the same household and used by persons who occupy that same household. By “household” we mean a person or persons sharing the same housing unit such as a home, apartment, mobile home or condominium. This license does not extend to students who reside at a separate on-campus location or to business or commercial users." - Ninjab3ar, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Downloading directly from apple's server now......
- Kazbaeden, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6The ribbon is the simplest yet most powerful interface I've ever used. It allows all high and low level functionality of the software to exist within 2 or 3 easy to navigate levels of menus. For example, say I want to manage the bibliography for my document. Looking at Word 2007's interface, I'd guess Bibliography functions are under the "Review" tab (and I'd be right). With just one click all the tools to manage my bibliography are there. Looking at the pages interface, I can't see how to manage my bibliography at all.
- zioxide, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Just tried it out. Pages 08 is very nice now that it has a dedicated word processing mode. I'll probably start using it over MS Word 04 for research papers.
Keynote rocks as always.
Numbers looks nice. Sure it could use a little more polishing, but remember its a brand new v1.0 app. By Numbers 2 or 3, it will be amazing. - totorototoro, on 10/10/2007, -6/+10Sorry, but what are you trying to show here? Those pictures don't show anything about how the programs compare in how their interfaces actually, you know..work?
- rebotfc, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Couple of deal breakers for me, although i hate MS Office '04 I cant quite wipe it just yet.
1) Subtotal function doesn't import, this is essential for summing over only visible cells. For instance you would combine it with a filter to show the cost of a subset of records.
2) Slow scrolling on some tables. 500 records with columns A to V, its very slow to scroll, admittedly there is a mix of text , formulas and numbers but I don't see how its slower than Rosetta Office '04.
So yeah i'd love to use this but for a couple of essential ( and not really that super-business-user features) it's unworkable. - pitdingo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Does Apple support ODF with iWork? I did not see it on their site
- spinxter, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4No joy here with .ODT files.
- Mudcrutch, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Different users have different weight depending on their digg history. It's all super-secret -- but I have heard if you digg stories before they hit the front page your weight can go up.
- NSResponder, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Sure thing. Apple has all the keys you want, for $79 a shot.
-jcr - backin5minutes, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5i agree.. your screenshots dont show us anything..
- tpv2066, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Awesome, not Apple's style, but this will be kick ass for the meeting + keynote presentation I have today
- spyraled, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4So your $1000 PC only has one cord that goes to it (power)? Has a 24" LCD? Core 2 Duo at 2.8Ghz? Because that's what you get for $2000 with an iMac.
Maybe you should compare it to the $1199 iMac, which is still a 20" LCD, one cord, 2.0Ghz Core 2 Duo.
Saying Apple doesn't make cheap computers like Dell is one thing (and true), but don't say the computers are overpriced for what you get. That's an old myth. - totorototoro, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4"Do you people understand how offices and purchasing departments work?"
Hopefully offices and purchasing departments don't buy "Family Packs" :p
What you want is Apple's Volume Licensing, under "Business Services" - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Does it have OS X on it? Nope. Have you loaded it up with AV? Anti-spyware? Firewall? How much will
it "cost" you to have to FIX the ***** thing hundreds of times? How much time will you waste just getting an app to
work? Oh- let me guess, you just need it for porn and half-life... half is about right. - r3zonance, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Yes, the full version requires a serial number, iWork always has required a serial number.
- Raian, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Apple had trial software for iWork previously, which allowed you to purchase a key online.
* The Family Pack Software License Agreement allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on up to a maximum of five (5) Apple-labeled computers at a time as long as those computers are located in the same household and used by persons who occupy that same household. By “household” we mean a person or persons sharing the same housing unit such as a home, apartment, mobile home or condominium. This license does not extend to students who reside at a separate on-campus location or to business or commercial users.
Apple does offer commercial licenses. - mateo60, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5On the PC, OpenOffice is great. However, on an Intel Mac, it stinks. As far as free Office type apps on the Mac, NeoOffice is my favorite. It's based on OpenOffice, but it doesn't take forever to load.
- Ramble, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6Ahh, never used it then eh?
Try using it, it makes Office 10 times better. - virtualball, on 10/10/2007, -6/+9Ugh. First, that is a biased opinion, second of all, I hate the Office 2007 interface. Everything looks condensed and jammed in there and the ribbon system is just a weak way of reinventing the menubar...
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3thats rather foolish - just get the trial from apple, and then enter 'your' serial.
- craftyshrew, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I imported a very complex expense report that hasn't converted well in other "Excel Killers". Everything came over fine and even recognized the difference currencies I use. The only two things that Office has over iWork is Mail Merge (Probably because I haven't messed around enough) and integrated label templates (Which i guess I can just use the converted .doc ones from the Avery website). So, this is far more than I expected!
- samshaikh, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3what the hell else do you want?
- Balanced, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Yeah... $80 is a pretty fair price for this kind of bundle. If you're unwilling to pay, I'd recommend just supporting OpenOffice/NeoOffice.
- r3zonance, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3They don't really want people to be able to "interoperate" with MS Word.
They want people to be able to convert their crappy Word documents into Pages and then carry on working on them in Pages. If you want to show someone your file (more often than not just read-only) you send them a PDF. You also have the bonus of not having to ensure the other person has (the costly) Word. - boyasunder, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I downloaded and tried this last night to edit a Word file from work. It imported it and let me work on it just fine. However when I exported it back into a .doc (doing a normal save seemed to put me on the path to saving it as a pages doc) it didn't so such a good job. When I opened the "new" .doc file, a lot of the lines we no longer rendering on the page... and the fonts were screwed up. For some damn reason everything I'd worked on had been reduced to 10 pt.
It was easy to fix, but seriously, they should clean up exporting if they want people to really be able to interoperate with MS Word. - manitoba98xp, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Probably OpenDocument...
- Aberen, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2i bet you come really far with that as a salesperson :)
- BamaMac, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Being using the trial all day. Numbers is a worth adversary to Excel, but it is missing some advanced functions (I do a lot of regression analysis) that I still need for work. However, I have a feeling it will be my go to for most spreadsheet work. Keynote continues to be much better than Power Point. Pages has greatly improved. It was always a decent Page Layout program, but the word processing capability has been increased dramatically. I might actually be able to type papers now. Does anyone know if there is any EndNote compatibility now with Pages?
- LeeSoong, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Damn - I lost count of all those 'Cat Family' names - please speak in Geek - 10.1 10.2 10.3 10.4 10.5 - we like numbers.
- r3zonance, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The export problem is the fault of Office, as Numbers is doing something that is impossible in Excel.
- MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The family pack is licensed for 5 users. The software itself is no different from the single-user version. You could take the singer-user version and install it on as many machines as you like without validation crippling the ones you did before.
I buy the family pack because getting 5 legitimate licenses for $20 is not a bad deal and I see no reason beyond just being a cheapskate to not do so if you install it on more than one computer. -
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