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- blankhorizons, on 05/07/2008, -15/+102Loud, no updates, Time Machine is *****, terrible packing, no support from Apple.
Just what I want to spend my money on! - Jambi, on 05/07/2008, -13/+77Fair enough, but seeing as Apple offers nothing expandable that's even remotely in the same price range, I think this'll have quite a few interested buyers.
- TomKarpik, on 05/07/2008, -16/+75So basically, for $750 and the price of a monitor, keyboard, and mouse, you get ...
- A PC with a hacked OS X install
- Broken Time Machine
- Software Updates that can hose the system
- Broken Firewire booting
- No Firewire Target Disk Mode
- No startup drive selection via Option
I'm sorry, but this completely misses the point of the "Mac experience", not only because some basic Mac features simply don't exist, but also because certain other features require hacking and wastage of time to get working.
The whole point of owning a Mac is so that this crap just works out of the box. What you have with a Pystar is not a Mac, but a PC hacked to run OS X. There's a subtle, but huge, difference. - ivankraszl, on 05/07/2008, -20/+78This is a silly idea as the Mac experience is as much as about hardware as about software. OS X alone won't give you a Mac. But I'm never against choice, I just wouldn't get this machine myself as long as I can afford a real Mac. Plus nothing guarantees I can install future versions of OS X on this clone.
- wfbnadador, on 05/07/2008, -8/+62and it howls like a banshee...
- controltheweb, on 05/07/2008, -17/+57$399.99, plus $50 for a FireWire card. Add in the $110 graphics card and the $155 OS installation, and the machine cost $714.99 ($751.47 after shipping).
- hagfish70, on 05/07/2008, -3/+39Broken Time Machine?!??! There go my dreams of attending the world's largest ice cream social at the 1896 Chicago's World Fair....Damn you Psystar!
- Anpheus, on 05/07/2008, -2/+37Expandable? As in you have to cut holes in the case to expand it?
- Fletchinator, on 05/07/2008, -5/+39They don't seem comparable to me. The psystar has more ram, a faster cpu, and a higher end graphics card.
- kru1e, on 05/07/2008, -19/+51$750! ***** Rip-off!
- PueSi, on 05/07/2008, -6/+36HINT: They are not the same people.
- SlalomMan, on 05/07/2008, -4/+33Maybe he meant "expendable."
Just maybe. - PueSi, on 05/07/2008, -5/+34Except for the fact that a 20 inch monitor does not cost $450
- Ocelot13, on 05/07/2008, -8/+35just now reporting on psystar?
wasnt their 15 minutes of fame like last week? - gstep, on 05/07/2008, -23/+49Your comment proves that half of all mac users bought them because they look pretty
- mywhitenoise, on 05/07/2008, -3/+28How often do you look the casing? If I could get the equivalent of a Mac Pro, without making more fan noise than a Pro, and it was $500 cheaper...I'd go for it.
- KaiUno, on 05/07/2008, -2/+24What, you mean bury you? Haven't the foggiest.
- inactive, on 05/07/2008, -24/+45what good does that do? if i dont have a shiny apple on the front of my laptop how will people at starbucks know what i'm using?
- mywhitenoise, on 05/07/2008, -5/+25Why does he have all those icons on his desktop? Drag that ***** down to the dock!
- FukUrCouch, on 05/07/2008, -7/+25Not really, for $485 you can probably buy a 27" LCD monitor...
- inactive, on 05/07/2008, -12/+30OS X isn't *****, but Apple computers are overpriced.
- ucg1, on 05/07/2008, -1/+18I disagree. For me, and possibly many other Mac Pro users, Macs are all about the software. The hardware enables use of the software, but that's as far as it goes.
I generally don't care for Mac hardware, its OS X that I like. I would never buy a combined monitor/computer like the iMac, nor would I limit myself to one internal hard drive. A Mac Mini is only good for a TV PC. The laptops all have one button. Both the iMac and MacBook only come with glossy screens.
For me, the Mac Pro is the only Mac hardware that is worth getting and I even have complaints about it: no physical eject buttons on my Superdrives, only 4 spaces for internal hard drives when there are 2 SATA connections that could've been used for 2 extra drives and no eSATA out-of-box that could've used those SATA connections. The MacBook Pro is good enough if you can get past the one-button thing (yes, I know about how to use the touchpads for double-click, but I hate touchpads anyway, give me a trackpoint any day over a touchpad).
When the only mid-level comptuer Apple is offering up is the iMac and the Mac Mini is the low-end, I understand why people are building hackintoshes, Apple just doesn't deliver on the low and mid-end. - tnoy, on 05/07/2008, -1/+16I can add a couple 10k rpm SATA drives in RAID-1 to the mini?
- inactive, on 05/07/2008, -0/+14Yeah, a lot of people don't realize, you can actually put programs on the desktop in OS X, and it's no different from putting it in the App folder. Not so with Windows.
- PueSi, on 05/07/2008, -1/+14http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8 ...
$319 22", definitely not a ***** monitor. - Vector713, on 05/07/2008, -3/+16Yeah, I was gonna say, where the ***** do YOU shop?
newegg.com, my friend. - mywhitenoise, on 05/07/2008, -22/+34Does that include the monitor? If not, it's probably cheaper to go with the $1200 iMac.
- Urkel, on 05/08/2008, -3/+15I've never understood people who support the "disposable monitor" idea. Computers last 2-3 years, monitors will last twice that so an integrated monitor is really a big waste of money in the long run.
- PabloMac, on 05/07/2008, -3/+15"You won’t want this computer sitting on your desk."
- spacebuddy, on 05/07/2008, -9/+21I have a Mac Mini, paid $599.00, works with Time machine, super quiet, updates work, super small, fast enough to surf and read email and play the occasional game. Three reasons why I got a Mini.
1) Super Quiet
2) No Viruses
3) OS/X (and I like small things)
Pystar defeats the Mac experience. - archer75, on 05/07/2008, -1/+13Build your own. You can get more functionality. My hackintosh is 100% functional. Updates work, time machine works, gaming works. It's great.
The mini is fine for what it is, but I need something I can upgrade. - mrsteve007, on 05/07/2008, -2/+14FYI mywhitenoise: The Dell 24" E248WFP is currently retailing for $379. Not product spamming, but just saying that there are some killer deals out there on decent/really good equipment.
- heiroglyph, on 05/07/2008, -6/+18It is filling a hole in the Apple lineup and "switchers" just can't comprehend why Apple doesn't do it themselves.
Or you can look at it like this...
The cheapest Mac with slots is $2799.
All in one Macs with remotely decent graphics cost over $2000.
I could care less about time machine.
I own keyboards, mice and monitors.
For far less than the $2000 difference I can make this beast be quiet and add vastly more storage and top of the line graphics.
Sure, I'd rather by from Apple, but they aren't selling a comparable computer. - mywhitenoise, on 05/07/2008, -3/+15The cause burns on users legs? How big of an idiot do you have to be to keep a hot laptop sitting on your legs?
if i'm outside and it's hot then I'm going inside. If I have a hot laptop on my legs, I'm taking it off. - wmt9, on 05/08/2008, -2/+14a new imac starts at more than $1000 how is that a ripoff?
- PabloMac, on 05/07/2008, -6/+17Work for a little while on both a Mac Pro and one of these machines, and you won't say they are equivalent. Like the writer said, "You won’t want this computer sitting on your desk." You get what you pay for.
- veriix, on 05/07/2008, -4/+15@mywhitenoise
Apple would like you to think that lol - wafflez, on 05/07/2008, -2/+13Minus the $155 OS installation.
- PueSi, on 05/07/2008, -6/+17Because this computer has much better hardware which you can upgrade easily?
- Locrian, on 05/07/2008, -2/+13I'm wondering what issues the systems are having, if any. Has Steve Jobs said anything about psystar yet? I'll definitely want to watch that speech.
- troymccluresf, on 05/07/2008, -7/+17"Because we think it ’s informative to see how OS X performs on a computer that isn’t a Mac,"
Do you also find it informative to find out how a Kia handles on a marshy beach? - enicholas, on 05/08/2008, -2/+12So..... you're not buying one because a lot of people like them and think they're great? You must be a real hit at parties, you rebel you.
- VibhuC812, on 05/07/2008, -0/+10"How big of an idiot do you have to be to keep a hot laptop sitting on your legs?"
Hot laptops are cheaper than vasectomies. - Changa, on 05/07/2008, -3/+13How is this different from hacking OSX on to a pc yourself?
My dell laptop boots XP,Vista and OSX. - mywhitenoise, on 05/07/2008, -3/+13No it isn't. I've been using Macs for 15 years, I know almost as much about Macs as some "Genius" does.
- Kerrigore, on 05/07/2008, -1/+10"A ***** monitor"
You mean like the one in the 20" iMac? Don't get me wrong, I love Mac OS X, but Apple is really screwing people on that one. - edgedmurasame, on 05/08/2008, -5/+14Logical fallacy of the excluded middle. Buried.
- starf, on 05/07/2008, -2/+11"Psystar charges $155 to install the operating system, and I figured we could save a few bucks on our order with a little do-it-yourself know-how. But a few days after ordering, I called Psystar looking for a status update. A live human being answered the phone—somewhat surprising to me, given the stories that had appeared about the company immediately after it announced plans to sell a Mac clone—and put me on hold to look up the order. Moments later, another Psystar employee came on the line and strongly suggested that I pay to have OS X pre-installed. He explained that, unlike the Windows and Linux, installing OS X is a very difficult and complicated process and that the company does not provide installation instructions for OSX. I reluctantly pulled out the credit card, and the system shipped out to us a few days later."
Was considering them until I read this. Sounds like they're holding off on building machines in order to get people to pay them to install OSX. If you order it online, you shouldn't have them trying to upsell you when you check your order status. Very Lame. - inactive, on 05/07/2008, -2/+11Well, no, Apple designs the motherboards that go into Macs and they also design the enclosures that conceal all the wires and ventilates their machines so well.
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