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- Alegoo92, on 10/10/2007, -10/+180Note to Apple: stop being AT&T's bitch.
- 4ndr3w, on 10/10/2007, -4/+63I'm probably one of the more hardcore Apple fans around, and I totally agree. Apple really isn't doing what it should be on this one.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+42I agree.
Steve said this would be a revolutionary device. One of the reasons was cause it was Mac OS X based. What's so good about upgrading a phone/mp3 player to a miniature operating system?
Applications. At our own choice. Meaning third party apps. I don't know what they're thinking, but they aren't thinking straight. - glitchbit, on 10/10/2007, -3/+39hmm... where does this "open" phone idea come from..
I mean it isn't like a microsoft device called windows mobile accepts 3rd party programs, execute java, emulate nes, snes, genesis, atari, commodore, dos, windows 95-98, run linux on some PDAs, playstation games (I did this with 30fps on a lot games before PSP), have a music playing interface like an ipod *cough* pocket player, accept various movie and music format, custom ring tones, thousands and hundreds of thousands of other business and game related software titles. And accept microSD cards expandable to 32gbs.
I mean all that would just be crazy! - w3torg, on 10/10/2007, -3/+29I'm glad this came from a source that already has a huge audience. Maybe Jobs will wake up on this issue before it's too late.
- Ramble, on 10/10/2007, -3/+27So that's why they removed features from the touch and the touch is just as locked down as the iPhone?
Give me a break. Apple is in it to make money and that's it. - hjaltij, on 10/10/2007, -0/+19You need to sync it to add content to it and that works just fine. You are probably talking about upgrading the firmware, but still it's not the same thing.
- fishbert, on 10/10/2007, -3/+20You know, with the price drop hubba-balloo, and now the bricking... Apple seems to be making some pretty dumb PR moves of late.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -4/+20Now that the new firmware came out, I'm not too sure that I want an iPhone. I mean, how long before the stock becomes having 1.1.1 firmware as default? I'm now afraid of buying one and having the new firmware and being screwed.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -4/+20We need more articles about iPhones.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -5/+19You're looking at it from the wrong perspective. Apple needs a carrier far more than a carrier needs another phone.
- totorototoro, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14I'm waiting for Ron Paul to buy an iPhone, then try to unlock it.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -10/+22Its Already too late. Apple was a mney grubbing company and it still will be a money grubbing company. Enjoy your close ass system that you cant do ***** with.
- fishbert, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12... and more cowbell
- diggumjonez, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12I think you're wrong. There may be awhile before these things could be considered equal to a laptop or desktop system, but they are absolutely computers. They are fully networked, programmable, configurable devices that can be made to perform an extremely wide range of tasks, and to dismiss them as something intended to "replace" existing systems is missing the point entirely.
- championchap, on 10/10/2007, -3/+14You don't think that AT&T saw the iPhone and jumped through hoops for Apple to get their dirty mits on the sales that the iPhone was always going to generate?
- adml_shake, on 10/10/2007, -3/+13I agree with the other guy, I was thinking that I might want a iphone when the second gen comes out. But if they are going to fight this hard to keep me from putting the stuff I want on there I'm not sure I'll even bother.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -6/+15Note to Apple fans, Apple is a publicly traded company.
Keeping their stock holder happy is their first priority.
Money keeps them happy (Steve Jobs included), AT&T gives Apple lot of money.
Why should they change their strategy when people are standing in lines to buy iPhone.
So you all are wasting your time. - w3torg, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10I won't own an iPhone (if I ever do) while it's locked to AT&T out of the box and costs as much as it does.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10Not at all. In fact, I'd expect they were quite guarded about getting into bed with a company that has zero history in the phone market.
- insomniac8400, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10They are not thinking like a phone company. Every other gsm phone from phone companies can be unlocked without problems. They are thinking like the greedy company they are. They released a product that hardware wise can do everything a pda can do, but they restricted it's function in software to protect the apple newton and a few month later, the apple newton phone sales. Apple needs you to go out and buy the newton to use 3rd party applications and then buy the newton phone for an iphone with an sdk. How else are they going to get another 2 grand out of you? They are hitting the end of the road in how much they can add to a hand held device and need to trickle out software features to keep their stock high. Just be sure once that newton phone comes out to sell your stock, that is the end of the line for apple.
- phoomp, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7The other thing it was supposed to revolutionize was the cellular industry, in the same way that the iPod revolutionized the music industry. So far, it just seems like the same-old-same-old.
- TravisG5, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9"They will want to modify them to their exact, specifications"
When will people learn to use commas, correctly? - akkibaba, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9So you somehow want to decide what software runs on your $400 phone? That's crazy talk! This state of being locked-down is a FEATURE. Jesus P. Jobs wants to protect us retards from poorly coded third party applications. That's why it's locked down, kids. For your own good.
- peep, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8The thing is they already have the business plan for the new PDA's worked out, and being able to do anything with the phone will probably screw that up. They want people to buy the shuffles for jogging, the mini for commuting, the Ipod for long distance travel, and the Iphone to make calls. The touch and the Iphone are basically already PDA's, but if you have full use of them it will screw up the PDA launch. If you can use 3rd party software it is going to show up any first party gee whiz to the programs they slowly spoon out. They are getting greedy. They want to artificially create categories of products to sell the same product to you over and over again. It's the same thing that DRM is really about.
- carpespasm, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6yeah, if the thing can only run what the factory loaded it with, then there's no difference in a bare bones firmware or a fully featured OS. other than one will likely load quicker.
- HairyPoter, on 10/10/2007, -6/+12I think we THE CONSUMERS should fight against those abuses. Imagine if cars were bounded to those ridiculous rules. It would be illegal to install your own accessories in the car and you should buy all accessories at extortive prices from the manufacturer. Nobody would be allowed to modify the original car and should sign a contract before buying the car. This is ridiculous. A phone, a car, a house, a keyboard, whatever is a product. If someone buy a product it is their property and they can do whatever they want to the product. The software and hardware companies are doing whatever they want in all these decades and forgotting that they are selling a product that once sold is not their property anymore and belongs to the buyer.
- totorototoro, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8So basically, alternatives are readily available, not just Windows Mobile but that Linux phone too.
So people have a choice, and its a clear one, and none of the companies involved are being deceptive or "sneaky" about what they offer.
And still people whine about it, like children being denied an extra piece of candy, just because they want it, and they deserve to do and get whatever they want, as if they are entitled to it. - honesttussey, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Feel free to copy my letter and send it to Steve
1 Infinite Loop
Cupertino, CA 95014
Mr Jobs,
I'm writing to express my recent disappointment with Apple Inc. I'm disappointed with the bitter attitude towards third party development on the iPhone. As I'm sure you're aware many methods of unlocking and developing software for the iPhone have surfaced. Instead of embracing this progress and development Apple has chosen to stomp it's foot on developers and hurt the very people that want to give you money. I can understand your desire to control the phone but there is something most companies don't realize. The ability to unlock hardware and develop applications for it makes it MORE desirable in the eyes of a consumer. This is something I would expect Apple to understand.
I implore Apple to release a mature SDK for the iPhone and not release firmware specifically for the cause of closing doors which allow unlocks.
In a corporate playing field littered with selfish and cut throat businesses I look to Apple as a beacon of reason and sanity. Please don't let me down. - strangewill, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Yeah, except with opinions like these:
"Because, as he has so elegantly demonstrated with the iPhone, these devices are finally becoming little computers."
Ugh, smart phones did it way before the iPhone. - Apolloi, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7"That’s just the way the cell phone business works. Right?"
That's how it works in the U.S. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Sticking some form of itunes software on a phone does not equate to being a cellphone manufacturer. Motorola is ultimately the company that supports the phone.
- dmyajd, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6i bought an iphone on yesterday and it came with 1.1.1 pre-installed, which ***** sucks, so I'd be careful. Theres a 20% restock fee,which comes out to about $40 , if you return the iphone in an opened box.
- javaroast, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5It's time to quit blaming everyone but Apple for these issues. The attitude is coming from Apple...It isn't the AT&T iPhone or the RIAA iPhone it's the Apple iphone. The attitude is coming from Apple, the issues are caused by Apple and the crippling of some very promising devices are coming from Apple.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4OpenMoko is that Linux Phone.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5You can modify Apple computers to your exact specifications now?
- imamessy1, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Apple already had a working relationship with AT&T from when they had the Rokr (or however they managed to mis-spell it to seem cool), which was the first phone with iTunes. It was an exclusive with AT&T.
- hrvat420, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5buy + return
- cleverboy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Personally, I started trying hard to write people, so that tech commentators like Leo Leport wouldn't confuse unlocking with allowing 3rd party apps.
Let's be honest, Apple isn't going to stop enforcing strict carrier agreements. That was a solid part of the plan that isn't going to send Apple running back to cancel its agreements. It's done, ok? They'd get the crap sued out of them. If while pushing 3rd party apps, there is a clear distinction... oh, like NEVER allowing unlock apps in community sources (there was NEVER a real uninstall that relocked anyway)... and also writing Apple regularly in support of 3rd party apps, I think that's the best way to go. Pretending that complaining will suddenly allow 3rd party apps AND unlocking is ridiculous and continuous setting unrealistic expectations for gullible people. Moreover, I don't think we're going to EVER get complete unfettered system level access.
Bring back terminal and NES, bring back iBlackjack and Sketches. Allow Navizon and Flickr. Would free ringtones be great? Sure, but I'd expect that to be another compromise where you'll have to decide what phone you want (one that supports unlimited ringtone choice or an iPhone, I suspect more and more and more phones will in the limited area if its a "smartphone").
I think convergence is both great and sucky. Companies need to cooperate, and the RIAA needs to stop whining that Apple is creating devices that steal content from them. Ringtones is a compromise to that, but they need to be quieted, just like other industries that begin coming together. If the OpenMoko phone got really really popular, I think you'll IMMEDIATELY begin seeing the heretofore publically invisible forces companies like Apple must compromise with. - cfazzini, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Um, those things would come very quickly were the platform open. The hardware is definitely there.
- javaroast, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4BS it is Apple charging for the ring tones and it is Apple causing the restrictions. You are completely gullible if you think the entire $0.99 goes to the RIAA. I keep hearing this claim being made, but nothing to back it up.
- 3Den, on 10/10/2007, -5/+9Imagine if CONSUMERS had the ability to... not purchase something they don't like?
You are free to do whatever you want with your iphone.. but if you are expecting apple to provide updates that are aware of all the modifications you've made to the phone.. that's absurd.
Apple isn't suing you, or going to court. They are releasing software updates, which you CHOSE to install, to enhance the performance of the phone they sold you.
They purposefully provide no SDK. They don't WANT 3rd party development. They don't care if you hack your phone, but they certainly cannot be expected to support that. Their QA process can't possibly take into account 3rd party hacked applications.
Macs operate the SAME EXACT WAY.. if you develop using non-public libraries, apple is very clear that they will not be guaranteed to work during updates... and that's not because they are jerks.. it's because you cannot reliably develop software and continue supporting every single historical aspect of every system. - Zergo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Note to consumers: They told you that if you mess with it, your warranty is void. Stop your bitching!
- Rickler, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Apple doesn't need a carrier. Apple could have changed the rules about having to buy a phone plan. People could have bought the iPhone then put their sim card in. Did I have to get my computer through verizon dsl? Np. Same market should apply to phones, they are just small computers.
- condeh, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4technically, not just the iPhone is a computer, so are most (all?) phones
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/computer - ItStillMoves, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6I agree with the opinions voiced here so far. There's too much tendancy for large corporations to restrict the usage of high-tech devices to certain providers (similarities exist in the DVD and music industry). While I can certainly understand some of the reasons behind this logic (high costs, etc.), I do think that when you a buy a product from a certain company, that should not force or limit you to use the products from another company that has some billion-dollar contract with the manufacturer of your purchased item.
- bigfkncee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3is that it?
- Zombi, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I think there are smaller concerns that Apple is worried about. Like say if they were to allow 3rd party applications. There would be conflicts with AT&T especially. Seeing as how someone could write an application that allows the usage of skype over a wifi connection. This would make it so you did not use any of your minutes while still using the phone. Then at the end of the month, your rollover minutes would keep on building up. Same with texting,
someone would eventually write an app that allows free texting to other phones probably over wifi. The amount of workarounds that developers could come up with could eventually get Apple in a bit of trouble regarding their contract with AT&T.
It's different with their computers though. Yeah, you might not be able to modify the hardware much. But they generally seem to love their development community by offering an easy to use SDK and great possibilities within their OS. The difference here is that they own the rights to their products and have no contract.
Apple is just covering their ass with this one. So that there isn't a backlash with AT&T. - unmarked, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3... definitely more cowbell !!
- fishbert, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4ask them what firmware they have on it.
if they don't know, ask them to open one and tell them you'll buy it if it's 1.0.2
if they won't do that, don't buy it. -
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