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- tyrulz, on 10/28/2009, -2/+29apple probbly should have just paid royalties like everyone else
- deaftly, on 10/28/2009, -12/+38***** em up Nokia
- GoChris, on 10/28/2009, -2/+26Oh you know, shipping more cell phones than any other company in the world. Just that kinda thing. That's all. Nothing much.
- luersuve, on 10/28/2009, -5/+23Apple fans can rant all they want, but Apple does the same to other companies. I mean, suing a supermarket chain just for using a logo resembling a little to an apple... ridiculous. And now Apple will complain about paying another company about patented technology. Technology that costed Nokia billions of dollars to develop and that other companies are paying for.
Time to pay Apple, you have enjoyed a lot for free... - TheUngod, on 10/28/2009, -6/+20Apple needs to man up and admit they didn't invent the wheel. They just made it click.
- TMFinept, on 10/28/2009, -1/+13Source?
- Rev0lver, on 10/28/2009, -4/+12They've only been creating some of the most advanced innovations in cell phone technology for the past decade. They're one of the biggest reasons we're at least 5 years behind Europe and Asia in terms of cell phone tech.
Shame what slapping an Apple with a piece bitten out of it on a phone can do to an entire culture. - SteveMax, on 10/28/2009, -0/+7You keep repeating that 15% figure, but AFAIK Nokia's claim is for 1% to 2% of each phone's cost. Also notice that every other company out there pays a similar value, either directly or indirectly as other patent licenses. Apple possibly has been infringing on Siemens's or Qualcomm's patents too, since those three have developed almost every technique currently usable for developing a GSM/3G phone. Nokia settled a suit with Qualcomm recently, which would also run in the billions of dollars.
The point is that if you develop the technology, you deserve to be able to use it or to sell other companies the right to use that technology in order to cover your R&D costs. Mobile phones are a big league, and if you don't do your own R&D you don't just get a free ride on other people's research. - SteveMax, on 10/28/2009, -0/+7@TMFinept, I wouldn't be surprised if his source is "well, they want money from Apple, so they are evil!!!".
- inactive, on 10/28/2009, -4/+9Don't be a jerk. I'm a big fan of Apple products, and even I see that they are probably wrong here. And, my old Nokia Candybar phone was unbreakable.
- Rockkybox, on 10/28/2009, -0/+5Hell they'll always have a spot in my heart for having a universal charger plug, chances are at anyones house you will be able to charge your nokia
- forrondur, on 10/28/2009, -1/+6Well, that depends on what you define as 'smartphone'. But according to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Smartphone_2009. ... , more than half of the smarphones sold recently had Symbian OS. That means Nokia is probably a huge part of that portion...
- blackinthmiddle, on 10/28/2009, -1/+5Wow, give all the blame to Apple, eh? Last time I checked, Apple initially went to Verizon and was rejected. When they went to AT&T, it was AT&T that said they'd only agree to Apple's terms if they were the exclusive carrier.
The only good thing about an exclusive deal with AT&T for Apple is that if their phone were offered to all carriers, that would in essence cannibalize their iPod Touch market as there would truly be no reason to carry around a cell phone and an iPod Touch. However, my bet is that their lost iPod Touch sales would be more than made up for in additional iPhone sales. - rpgmakr, on 10/28/2009, -0/+4What? You can buy ANY nokia device without contract at very reasonable prices. They're relatively cheap and the best built quality on the market.
- morcheeba, on 10/28/2009, -2/+6trademark protection and patents are totally different things.
- widgetmaker, on 10/28/2009, -0/+4Why?
- urbanetruth, on 10/28/2009, -9/+13Maybe Apple will start sharing with the other kids on the playground now so that the U.S. can catch up with the rest of the world when it comes to mobile technology. The reason Nokia has not done well (recently) in the U.S. is because it has refused to form exclusive alliances with carriers, locking out competition, like Apple has. It's time to give the power back to consumers.
- Taiyoryu, on 10/28/2009, -1/+4Apple may have some anti-consumer business practices, but device exclusivity is not one of them. Device exclusivity is squarely the carriers' fault. Apple is playing by US carrier rules and retains a surprising amount of control over its device. You need only have to look at Verizon as the most egregious violator of device micro-management.
- BabySinister, on 10/28/2009, -1/+42 goliaths? lol! this is about cellphones, so obviously we should look at the cellphone branche of apple and nokia.
david and goliath is more like it - ohreilly, on 10/28/2009, -0/+3Nokia aren't a failing company with rubbish products and a dwindling marketshare, an insignificant figure in the mobile phone market. I realise the Apple fanboys will disagree with all of that though (since after all Apple doesn't have to worry about patents, unless it's their own and some company is stealing Apple's "innovations").
No, they are the largest phone manufacturer in the world with the most popular smartphone OS. Was SCO the largest UNIX vendor at the time of its lawsuits? I don't think this suit will drag on for the best part of a decade and bankrupt them, either. - mface, on 10/29/2009, -0/+340 other companies paid royalties as the should and Apple thought their ***** stank sweeter? Make they pay out the ass and be real anal about it.
Sphincter. - tnoy, on 10/28/2009, -1/+3They currently have the largest market share of smart phones.
- tnoy, on 10/28/2009, -1/+3Apple doesn't have to pay royalties, because they're Apple.
..or something like that. - blackinthmiddle, on 10/28/2009, -1/+3@Rockybox
Agreed. I've never had a problem charging my Nokias. Then again, they would last an entire week on one charge, so it wasn't a big deal even if you were down to, let's say, 25%. You knew that would still last you long enough to get to the grid.
@forrondur
I stand corrected. - spazzcat, on 10/28/2009, -3/+5I'm guessing they would, unless they feel they have some legal standing?
- B5tKUnT1, on 10/28/2009, -0/+1Yep, like Crackberry did
- Anifanatic, on 10/29/2009, -1/+2Yeah but it's not like 'David' isn't going to get the full support of Apple, which is a "goliath." It's not about comparing cell phone 'branche' but the companies, because it's about who's got the money.
- Rockkybox, on 10/28/2009, -1/+2Sparks are goning to fly
- spazzcat, on 10/28/2009, -4/+5Free cell phones...
- ohreilly, on 10/28/2009, -3/+4Newsflash: Nokia has made hundreds of S60 phones, many of which have far from been a flop.
Anyone remember the Newton? - colincornaby, on 10/28/2009, -2/+3They did offer to pay royalties. Nokia is saying Apple didn't offer to pay enough, Apple is saying they offered a fair amount. Apple isn't disagreeing that the patent is valid, they're just disagreeing on how much Nokia thinks it is worth.
Which is why they are now suing each other. - estrategy, on 10/29/2009, -0/+110 Questions about Nokia's / Navteq's Red Light Camera Database. Where did they source the information?
http://blog.photoenforced.com/2009/06/10-questions ... - mbradbury, on 10/29/2009, -0/+1Shouldn't it be the makers of the chipsets that pay?
- aristotle0dude, on 10/28/2009, -0/+1Stop referring to Finns as Scandinavians. We share very little in common with the germanic tribes that inhabit Denmark, Sweden and Norway.
- MacParrot, on 10/28/2009, -1/+2Um...I believe Nokia is out of Finland, so "gooks" isn't quite the word you're probably looking for. Are there any disparaging terms for scandinavians?
- inactive, on 10/30/2009, -1/+1Apple Sucks Koala Balls.
- Austo, on 10/29/2009, -0/+0Damn yetis
- ohreilly, on 10/28/2009, -3/+2"Nokia doesn't have anything on us anymore. The N97 had terrible reviews. The only thing Europe and Asia have over us is their cell phone infrastructure."
To use my own personal experience, I see far more people with the latest hot model from Nokia, HTC, SE and associates than I ever have with any of Apple's crippled toys. I guess modern phones go well with modern networks, not the last-decade tech Apple gave us (EDGE in 2007? puhleeze). - blackinthmiddle, on 10/28/2009, -5/+4My guess would be that the vast majority of those phones come free with a cell phone plan. Sure, they're still the market leader. Heck, I think my first five or six phones were Nokias, so I'll always have a soft spot for them. However, with that being said, I don't think they're the world wide leader in the smartphone market, although I could be wrong.
- d0brii, on 10/28/2009, -2/+1Incorect Symbian OS running free cellphones (with contract) too, also Sony-Ericson's walkman phone,... long story short Symbian OS phone != Smart phone
- aristotle0dude, on 10/28/2009, -13/+11Are you aware the Nokia and several other companies are involved in a cartel which intends to collect 15 percent off the "sale" price of each handset from new entrants into the market? Do you realize how anti-competitive that is and that if MSFT was doing the same thing, you would be up in arms against it?
They are not charging a flat fee per handset or charging the chipset makers but rather their direct competitors a "percentage" of the sale price. It is not known if they mean the subsidized/full price charged to the consumer or the pre-subsidized price charged to the carriers.
If it is the later, that would cut Apple's margins by more than half and Nokia would be profiting from each iPhone sale despite the fact that GSM and even UTMS phones vary in price based on the inclusion or exclusion of features that have nothing to do with this patent. Other than the GSM chipset, headset speaker and microphone, the hardware is close to the iPod touch and yet Nokia is not suing Apple over it or other companies over mobile devices with WiFi. - InThePants, on 10/28/2009, -5/+2On one hand it's always refreshing to see Apple get smacked around a little...On the other, patent trolls have their own special place in hell.
- aristotle0dude, on 10/28/2009, -6/+2Apple would agree to pay a "fee" but not 15 percent of the price of an iPhone when outside of the "phone" and camera features, it is the same hardware as the iPod Touch and Nokia cannot make any claims against that device.
- 1platypus, on 10/28/2009, -7/+3Nokia doesn't have anything on us anymore. The N97 had terrible reviews. The only thing Europe and Asia have over us is their cell phone infrastructure.
- Wayfarer12, on 10/28/2009, -8/+2Anyone remember the N-Gage?
'Nuff said. - DulcetTone, on 10/28/2009, -14/+5Nokia == SCO
- d0brii, on 10/28/2009, -10/+1NOKIA If you cannot compete with them, sue them.
No seriously Nokia is in serious financial problems, they cannot make a smart phone that can fight with new gen smart phones. Symbian is built on old code, it just cannot handle modern smart phone requirements, without serious redesign, since Nokia is in the financial problems they cannot afford that. - norwegianlegion, on 10/28/2009, -11/+1Aww, I read "suit" and "Two Goliaths" and immediately thought Japan or Korea had made a sweet SC2-themed robot fight. Buried for not being that.
- Austo, on 10/28/2009, -12/+1Nokia blows I hope those gooks dont get a ***** penny
- franklymister, on 10/28/2009, -21/+5Nokia? Aren't they that company that made cell phones back in the '90s?
What are they up to these days?
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