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- johnnybluejeans, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Macintouch posted their XBench scores comparing a 2Ghz Core Duo iMac to a 1.8Ghz G5 and a 2.1Ghz G5. The Core Duo only had 512Mb of RAM while the two G5s both had 1Gb.
The Core Duo beat both hands down, even with half the RAM:
20" Intel iMac/2.0GHz Duo: Overall Results 108.1
20" iMac G5/2.1GHz (iSight): Overall Results 85.9
20" iMac G5/1.8GHz: Overall Results 66.0 - NewsBandit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1unless the pinto lets you play battlefield 2 and civ 4 :)
- iobuffa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1don't even bother reading the benchmarks. the memory configurations on each machine are so different, you can't make sense out of the results. dual g5 => 4.5GB memory, iMac g5 => 1GB memory, iMac intel => 512MB memory. just crazy.
- felchdonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1topper24hours:
Actually, the whole "win on a mac" thing makes a lot of sense to me. I can get my company to authorize a couple grand for a laptop, provided it runs Windows. If I could dual-boot on a MacBook, I'd be living with an elegant, powerful laptop that ran both OSes.
I need both Windows and MacOS, so which would I rather have that happen on? A MacBook or a Dell? - twollamalove, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"The larger question is why run Windows on a Mac? For me, the answer is simple: because you can"
An excellent point. - weiran, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Seems a Windows install isn't going to be plain sailing eh?
- super_structure, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0First article on the new Intel Core Due iMac that has been worth reading. A great review with both benchmark values and subjective analysis.
- nogami, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0And the part people really care about...
"Just for kicks, I tried to boot from a Windows XP installer CD. No dice. I then tried booting from a Vista installer DVD (Build 5270). Again, no dice."
N. - TidusX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It was reviewed quite favorably, its too bad the PC fanboys don't even read it, just lookf or the bad things then trash on it.
- Kenotic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I was surprised that the Intel mac got beat in some areas. I got beat in the CPU bench mark and in the UI benchmark.
- Antialias, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"The larger question is why run Windows on a Mac? For me, the answer is simple: because you can"
I can break bones in my leg reducing my mobility, but why would I want to? - topper24hours, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I still don't get the "Oooooh.... win on a MacBook" posts. So? As I've said before: you can run XP on any used sub $200 PC of the Windows ME era fairly handily w/ nothing but a RAM upgrade. It is ONLY newsworthy to run OSX on cheap PC hardware, NOT the other way around! Why don't people understand this? It lirterally is the difference between saying "Yo, I got my Pinto to run like a Maserari!" and saying "Yo, I got my Maserati to run like a Pinto!" See how one does NOT bear braggery?
- geeky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I would love to see the 20" iMac with real media center capabilities (PVR functionalities!!!)
- leonbev, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0As expected, the Intel Mac is faster with Intel native applications, but much slower when running PowerPC emulated applications. I wouldn't buy one of these for myself right now, but I'd consider it once there are Intel compiled versions of all the applications that I use.
- Malabooboo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Same big LCD with Jay Leno-like white space below it." lol
- johnnybluejeans, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Link was swallowed:
http://www.macintouch.com/ - EPeters, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It's about running BOTH os's on the same machine, dumbasses! Dual booting. Why is that so hard to understand?
- Sakino, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I agree with iobuffa on this, did you guys not realize the ram difference between the 3 machines?
iMac Core Duo = 512MB
iMac G5 = 1GB
Power Macintosh G5= 4.5GB
That's a 4GB ram difference between the duo and power mac. - sidebuster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I can break bones in my leg reducing my mobility, but why would I want to?" Because you can!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0good review. can't wait to see the follow-up on the hack-the-iMac session.
- Dhalgren, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0He couldn't install Windows, why didn't he immediately try linux?
I'm still waiting for the Minis with Intel chips. I might actually buy one of them (especially if it will play WoW well...) - alphamerik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Don't we already know Windows boot won't work using EFI without going through some EFI capable boot mechanism (lilo/grub)?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Bwahahahaha!
So much for Jobs' lies about performance...
I don't know how the hell Jobs is going to come up with performance lies big enough when Apple has to ship something to compete with the quad-G5 systems Apple is already selling now. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"The larger question is why run Windows on a Mac? For me, the answer is simple: because you can"
I can break bones in my leg reducing my mobility, but why would I want to?
Why can't some mac people accept that running Windows could be a good thing?
Below is an good comment from slashdot:
TooMuchEspressoGuy (763203) on Tuesday January 17, @11:59AM (#14491294)
But what about if someone wants to run games (and perhaps other software that runs only on Windows) *and* still get the superior OS/apps found in Macs? Why should they be forced to buy two computers just so that they can preserve their "entire Mac experience"? - nomore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Running windows in a VM will be superior to dual boot. With VPC, you can drag and drop files between the OS X desktop and the Windows desktop... plus they also share the clipboard. M$ just need to do what they've done with the Windows version of VPC and remove the CPU emulation.
- einsteindesign, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Wow, those non-native Photoshop scores are painful. Far worse than I expected.
Like I said in another thread, it'll be 2007 before we really know anything. Native Adobe, Quark, FCP, etc. are pretty much required before many users will switch from their G5 to Duo. To do otherwise is just stupid. - mooseroo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Dual-boot is the reason to wet your panties... Windows on an Apple is not! It's like saying "Oh boy! I can wipe my new Xbox 360 and install the old crap from my Xbox so I can play my old games!" Needing to run Windows is only for the gamers and corporate policy followers of the world (for felchdonkey).
Keep your PC, buy a Mac, increase Apples market share and maybe app/game developers will shift their focus! It won't be that hard now that Intel and ATI are inside. Game developers coding to a common gfx platform rather than 73 different graphics card specs would mean a lot more attention could be paid to the gameplay, environments, and AI rather than constantly trying to push more pixels. More pixels/polys do not a good game make!
Yes, people want one machine to play Battlefield 2 and run OSX. Not gonna happen this year. Wipe your XP system, reinstall and setup Battlefield 2 (or your big-mother-game-of-choice) and then use your shiny new iMac in your living room to run everything else. XP for gaming... OSX for everything else.
WIth regard to application performance, once Intel is in the full Mac lineup and everything is compiled to run on the new platform, speeds will be up. Besides, this is an iMac, not a high powered workstation. Do you really expect FCP or Photoshop to fly on an iMac? It's "the world’s best designed and easiest-to-use desktop" in the Apple lineup... not the "wicked-fast workstation" that is the Power Mac G5. Maybe the boys@ars could have splurged on some more RAM or popped out a few DIMMs from the Power machines to make the benchmarks mean something. As is, the machines are so ill matched the benchmarks are useless!
Power users needing FCP, Photoshop, Quark etc already have workstations that run these things well enough. They aren't looking for an iMac to do these things for them. You can run these apps on the iMac, but Rosetta is not a speed-boosting technology. It works. It's a stop-gap. It won't be an issue in the next couple of months when the binaries are recompiled, the faster CPUs roll, and larger systems ship!
Wait until a quad-Core-Duo tower is available if you want to benchmark FCP. Then you might have something to email home about!
Besides, who would buy a first generation Intel mac anyhow? Wait for Rev.B The shiny white plastic is nice, but the first one out of the factory is bound to be a lemon. I'm drooling, but it's not because I'm stupid! - shiftless, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Holy crap. Why does it suck so much? Apple fans seem to love inferior products. iPod doesn't even have gapless playback. WTF is that about?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Pretty cool. But I actually like the Mac hardware. :)
www.gfx.com - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0Gotta luv it.
http://www.gfx.com
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