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- sundancekid503, on 10/12/2007, -8/+106So will this enable me to send a certain Sports Almanac back to myself in 1988?
- littlebiker, on 10/12/2007, -7/+62Don't think any rumor talked about Time Machine. I think it's a wonderful application from a utility point of view. Backups aren't a very easy task and to know which of your backups have the file that you need is even more difficult. A pro user will find Time Machine a killer app. Time Machine has my vote on this leopard poll: http://www.tezaa.com/view/most_impressive_leopard_feature_at_wwdc_2006
- wisewaif, on 10/12/2007, -3/+42Now all we need is for Time Machine to go back and unsend drunken e-mails to ex-girlfriends. Maybe in 10.6.
- jpf., on 10/12/2007, -13/+40What version of Windows has versioning/snapshots built into the OS?
- bloqmon, on 10/12/2007, -5/+32Hey Apple haters i hate to break it to you but if you read the keynote transcript you'll see WHY they are including this. Apple is not hailing this as a brand new thing to computing. They are simply making it easy for the common user. From the keynote:
"Who backs up? 26 percent of our users are backing up our files in any way whatsoever. "
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"Most of these users manually drag a few files to a CD. They might forget. How many people use automated software to make sure they always back up? 4 percent. Only 4 percent use automated software to make sure that all of our valuable content is being backed up. We plan to change all of that in Leopard with a feature called Time Machine." - http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/07/live-from-wwdc-2006-steve-jobs-keynote/
Not to mention that it is doing this within EVERY program as well. Do that on Windows. - frekir, on 10/12/2007, -7/+32Not to whine sundancekid503, but it was 1985 ;)
- XorSystem, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23That looks freakin' great, but how much space are we talking?
And on top of that, what kind of security does this offer? I mean, at a job, sometimes we don't necessarily want old documents to rear their heads in the future for everyone to see... - dwilson, on 10/12/2007, -6/+25NolanFinn: The year range is irrelevant, it was a Back to the Future II joke.
- Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20@i64X - "This is NOT a new feature, it's been around in Server 2003/XP for a LONG time, and it's already been announced for Vista long before today."
Again, the concept of backing up a file, or restoring something that's been deleted isn't new. What is new is that it's EASY, and usable a the DESKTOP level. I use VSC, and it's not easy, and it works best on the server (IMHO).
Both might be effective, but Time Machine seems like something my Mom could do. VSC doesn't fit that criteria... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17So do we need 500GB+ HD?
- plucas, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20I'll use this feature to find deleted porn on my friends computer.
- thefirelane, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15>I expect my computer to do as it's told and delete it.
So I assume you also never use the 'undo' feature in any application? - bepe86, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16I'm no Mac expert, and I don't know anything about Time Machine, but to me, it seems like a local, automatic, file repository, kind of like CVS, for files. It's a brilliant idea, actually, I've set up my home folder as a SVN repository on my Linux-box, so that I can track any changes to my documents, etc. This integrated into an OS with a friendly interface, sounds like another reason to get a Mac.
- grayBot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Well as a mac user I have to say that the graphics for this app are a bit cheeky.
But the use of 3-d is nice and intuitive, plus its seems extremely fast to access.... and it blows away anything on vista : ) - Chuck0078, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13system restore is not the same as tme machine at all, if you have ever truyly used it you would know
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/learnmore/systemrestore.mspx - johnhummel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13To the folks screaming "Shadow Volume":
You're right. This has been a part of XP, and congrats on discovering that.
Now, why is it interesting that Apple do it? How many "typical" users know about "shadow volumes", or CVS for that matter? How many people can just click the buttons and know how to set up and turn it on and off?
*That's* why the Apple announcement is interesting. It is a simple to use, "I don't know how it does it but it does" approach for everybody else. Most people will still be going "Woah - cool function", and while 1% of the population goes "Shadow Volumes!" the other 99% will think it's a new thing because they never knew how to turn it on in the first place, or how to use it even if it was.
So, points to Apple for doing something they do well: they make a complicated idea simple. Points to Microsoft for having it in their OS in the first place. Now, points to us all for their being competition that gets this stuff in *our* hands faster. - speedyrev, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Would you like a cough drop?
Maybe you ought to look at the product before you compare it to System Restore. - AndySomnifac, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Yeah, I'm not too keen on the potential privacy implications of such a system. Personally, if I were a Mac user, I would hope that this could be disabled.
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I'm only saying this once, instead of replicating myself throughout this entire thread like certain others:
Volume Shadow Copies DOES NOT EQUAL Time Machine.
Volume Shadow Copies does exactly what it sounds like it does, it copies volumes without the user knowing, at timed intervals, is very difficult to administer, and requires a very recent copy of Windows (Server 2003 or the as-yet unreleased Vista).
Time Machine uses the mechanisms that support Spotlight in the kernel to do File Versioning; when a write is about to take place that would overwrite a file, it instead moves the old file to a new location, and then writes, if that directory is currently supporting Time Machine's backup mechanic. So, if you delete a file, or change it in a way that you want back, it's as simple as moving the file back to its original location.
Time Machine isn't really a backup system at all, it's a Versioning System, and it's a difference that makes all of the difference in usability and suitability for a desktop computer. - calebb, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Yes. http://digg.com/tech_news/Microsoft_Adds_Previous_Versions_Support_At_File_System_Level_In_Vista
Sorry your comment is getting buried, Phil! - luma, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Volume Shadow Copy != restore points. It doesn't work well in XP, but it works fine on 2k3 server. Just because you don't know about it doesn't mean Windows isn't already doing it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volume_Shadow_Copy
Also, the suggestion that this is some sort of "backup" technology is a bit misleading. This is strictly filesystem journling. If you corrupt the filesystem or have a physical drive failure your data is still gone.
Having said all that, it appears that Apple has done to the technology what Apple does best - make it look pretty and make it easy to use so this still gets a digg from me. - newbill123, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13If you haven't seen a demo, check out http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/timemachine.html
- arnaudh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Obviously you didn't see the demo. It's all about usability. Sure, Windows and Linux have had backup/restore features for a while - hey, there also have been backup/restore utilities for Mac OS X too since it came out.
But if you were there, you know what happened: the speaker started talking about the "Time Machine" and its backup functionality. No applauses, nothing. Sounded pretty boring. Then he demo'ed it and the UI showed up. The audience gasped.
Sure, you can backup with Windows. But Time Machine allows you to browse through successive iterations of your system to look for specific files, by looking at snapshots of specific folders (or libraries in iPhoto, for instance) with an incredibly easy-to-use UI.
Look it up. - Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14Looks like a fantastic feature to me. Not sure how much HD space it will consume, but it looks pretty useful.
- bloqmon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I think they would remove any items that are deleted using 'Secure Empty Trash' and also like a previous poster said, it will be tuneable.
- CiXeL, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11well ok now thats pretty ***** cool.
- brianmost, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Yes, it's like other technologies, but it's usable by mom. Even if she doesn't have A+ certification.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16So, kind of like Volume Shadow Copy/Previous Versions?
- bepe86, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Okey, can you name me one consumer OS which has a feature like this out of the box? And don't say System Restore in XP, because that's an entirely different beast, and is designed to roll back system changes, and not user files.
- Twango, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Built-in backup: sanity at last; what took so long?
- arnaudh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Again, it's all about the UI. Volume Shadow runs on Windows Server 2003 and Vista. The UIs are nothing alike.
- gmillerd, on 10/12/2007, -17/+24Wrong restore points this is not and webfs is vaporware. This is not undelete, show me where I can undelete in windows please.
echo create >file.txt
delete file.txt
echo recreate >file.txt
show me where in the os i can get back the file.txt with "create" in it?
Sure using WORD i can turn on versioning and in the recyclebin I could MAYBE get back a copy of something, but not if its an overwritten copy, etc. - betasp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7It is not VSC. VSC updates at intervals and does not offer versioning beyond the dates you have run the service.
- Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9And this undoes a delete you might not have meant to make, or made then realized weeks later that it was something you should have saved.
It's an undo for the file system. - speedyrev, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Would the windows trolls please at least click the link before you comment. If you did you would see that Windows has never had anything like this.
You can go back and get any INDIVIDUAL file from the window or folder where you are. You don't have to launch a SYSTEM restore point. - willemvb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I think this is not about who invented or implemented backup or versioning first. Backup software has been around a while for OS X, even from Apple itself (as part of .mac).
The innovation lies in the implementation of a system-wide presentation of 'window states' in the past for applications, rather than just a property pane in your file manager with a list of previous versions.
Although the symbolism used in the UI for such 'window states' is quite accurate in Time Machine, I must admit that the interface is a bit overdone. - pu-z, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6You didn't lose me at "Install growisofs (for burning DVDs)", but you lost 98% of the computer users out there...
- ascheinberg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"echo create >file.txt
delete file.txt
echo recreate >file.txt
show me where in the os i can get back the file.txt with "create" in it?"
In Windows 2003, as long as you have VSC enabled, you can absolutely do this, and we do it ALL THE TIME. After a user deletes something, we just recreate a file or folder with the same name and roll it back. Works like a charm. - gloomybear, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6What is really cool about Time Machine compared to the Windows Way is that it is not a file-based scheme only. Each application can have it's own backup capability based on content for that application. The demo on the Apple site shows restoration of data from Address Book and iPhoto - the user doesn't have to know where or what the files are to restore.
Spotlight was supposed to get rid of folder organization (it hasn't and it won't), but Time Machine makes a complex concept like backup easy to use. - Chuck0078, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7come one people read you can turn this feature off if you want:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/timemachine.html
Do Not Backup: By default, Time Machine backs up your entire system. But you can also select items you’d rather not back up. - gmillerd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9File system journaling mod that syncs to free space based on tuning and profiles. Your /var/log would not be something that would be in the time machine normally and your ~/Documents would be versioned for every full write. In addition to being able to make 'snapshots/restore points'. This brings Clarion versioning to the end user mapop desktop, which is pretty innovative and useful.
In other words t should be able to version "while true; do echo `date +%s` >file; done".
The browser for time 'timeline' looks pretty cool. - bepe86, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7But who on earth runs Server 2003 as their home system? If this system was half as easy to use as Time Machine in XP, then I will go back on my words.
- cakestick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6To all the complaints about "MS thought of this first", I do not believe that Microsoft takes me into space whenever I delete a file. Oh wait, I don't bother using versioning because their implementation is written for intermediate users!
Space, guys! Really now! This and the beautiful graphics work I've been seeing on Macbooks (RSS Feeder, etc.) is all making me consider a final switch. - Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Time Machine also has expanded functionality on top of the totaly different, more powerful UI.
If you watched the demo you'd realize that. You can restore a single item in a database app like Address Book. With VSC you have to restore the entire database file. - Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5System restore only restores system files. Time Machine restores the unreplaceable stuff, i.e. your DATA.
Good luck. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6once again a comment by a person who didn't take the 2 seconds to look at the linked site and then says it's really not 'so damn good'. give it up. totally weak, useless comments are not new, we're all sick of them... no digg.
- bepe86, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I see that it has been around for years, and I am pretty surprised to hear about it. I mean, why on earth hasn't microsoft put an interface on top of this function? To find out about it, I had to google for it.
If I had known about this function (I still don't know how usable it is in XP, as I don't have any XP boxes any longer), I would have used it the last 5 years. Why on earth do they put a cryptic name on it, and hide it away so that normal users can't use it? - jaym, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5To answer those that don't know about it, because it requires a server configuration, "Restore Previous Versions" has been available for WinXP ever since Server2003 came out. It only works for shared network volumes hosted on a Server2003 machine.
It creates a snaphot twice a day (default but can be customised) and users can go back to previous versions of any file or folder on the network share. It has been a godsend for me - no more requests for that "file I accidentally deleted". - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The UI is a little on the flashy side, isn't it? :p
- Guspaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5As a backup solution, this feature is unreliable without at least using a second hard drive. This only "backs up" in the sense that if you delete/mangle a file, you can recover it. If you suffer a drive failure or data corruption (Don't say it's uncommon, it's happened many times to me over the years, and is a lot more destructive than losing just one file), this will do nothing.
If it was able to do the backups to a second drive, that'd solve that problem.
In a perfect world, this service would be doing the backups in the background to a remote server over the internet. Compression and rsync-like transfers could make the amount of data needed to be sent for non-multimedia content quite small. -
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