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- billymachine, on 10/12/2007, -2/+54This story is USELESS without pictures.
- Ninjab3ar, on 10/12/2007, -5/+44This might be slightly unrelated, but these Mac Fanboy/Anti-Fanboy rants are getting out of hand. Not only are the Mac fanboys annoying, but the ones who hate them are annoying as well.
HERES THE DEAL: Both Macs and PCs have their strong points
MACS:
Sleek interface
Innovative Features
Cool bundled Software
No Viruses (As long as installed base remains low)
WINDOWS/PCs:
3rd Party Support (Games, Software, ETC)
Price
Upgradability in affordable models
Ability to construct one from scratch.
I personally like Macs, but I use a PC at work, and sometimes at home, and school (to use software uncompatible with a mac), but that does not mean that I think PCs suck, I just like OS Xs bundles software, and apple's design and aesthetic value connected to their products.
SO SHUT UP WITH THE FANBOY COMMENTS! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28Don't worry, someone will fake one for you soon.
- AwwJeah, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26You're right.
iLluminous - dpcamp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20i too would like to fornicate with a leopard
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2423r17i05o42n:
If you read the article, you'd notice that they're saying this new interface has a black glossy look similar to Vista. Oh *****! The universe is about to implode on itself! RUN!!! - lava, on 10/12/2007, -27/+45Breaking News: Mac fanboy finds a way to diss Vista while discussing a story that has nothing to do with it.
- themurph2099, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Direct link to source:
http://www.applegazette.com/mac/rumor-aqua-to-be-replaced-with-illuminous/ - robojerk, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17screen shot or it never happened.
- Seanpr123, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Personally I don't care who gets it out first, I care who does it better
- reconbot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@billymachine
I'm sorry but are you trying to say...
"Pics or it didn't happen?"
I'm going to get so dugg down for this... - aurifex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Relax people, Illuminous is a codename.
Aside from that, it'll be interesting to see where Apple takes their UI. I remember I was infuriated when apple got rid of the pin stripes with Tiger, but now I look back and can't stand pin stripes.
The Windows XP UI "Luna" was something I NEVER got used to. It had potential, but always felt like Fisher-Price made it for kids in pre-school, completely unprofessional, and un-unified. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I doubt Apple will go for a black, Vistaish interface. Here are the reasons:
1. Most of their machines are still white, and a black interface on a white computer won't look very appealing.
2. The "Apple = white, Windows = black" metaphor puts Apple in a good light. Not due to any racial reasons, of course, but because of the old symbolic meaning of these colours.
3. If some applications are white and others are black, as the case would be during a transition, the resulting look would be horrible. Incredibly horrible.
4. The new iTunes already has a matte-looking interface that differs from Apple's current theme. I think this is a strong indication that the new theme will look like this. I actually like the look; looks like Gnome and like Tango. - zwilliams, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@ Ninjab3ar"
"OS X is not virus-proof,..."
I never said it was. It is just far more resilient against them.
"...and its not any harder to write a virus for a Mac as it is for the PC."
Actually it is, it is considerably harder to write a virus for OS X (*nix in general) than it is for Windows. Even the most effective proof-of-concepts created by the AntiVirus labs have shown they simply cannot get the virus to affect outside directories of the system and all damage was minimal.
I'd suggest you buy a copy of Mac OS X Internals: The Book and read up. After years of programming, I can verify, as well as many Mac programmers, it is indeed much harder to write malware for OS X.
"Macs have such a low percent of installed base (3-4%) that hackers have no incentive to write viruses for them."
Just plain wrong. Next thing you'll be stating is that all "hackers" (which is an incorrect use of the term to begin with) are not in it for destruction or chaos. If anything there would be more incentive to attack Macs due to their well known lack of malware. What would be better than being known as the guy that proved an entire company ,who has prided itself on being malware free, wrong. Hell, there have been competitions (with cash prizes) to get people to write viruses for OS X and no one could send in a truely viable piece of malware.
"Its like a person trying to take over Antartica in his quest to rule the world. Is there any strategic advantage in taking over Antartica? (A continent with a very low, if any, population) I think not. so why write a virus that will only affect 3-4% of computer users worldwide?"
As I said above there is plenty of incentive. You act as if no one would have any interest in 8 million people over five-six years. You just keep bringing up that security by obscurity but it holds no water. As I said before AmigaOS which doesn't even have a fifth of the population as OS X, has over 199 known viruses. PalmOS has had four viruses and it right now has a smaller marketshare of computing devices. OS/2 Warp had a smaller marketshare, and still more viruses. RISC-OS has less than half a million users and still has more viruses for it than OS X.
"Dont get me wrong, i love Macs, but you need to be realistic."
You're not being realistic yourself. You're basing your entire argument on mere, UNPROVEN speculation. Stop it, you're not helping anyone with baseless accusations. Read Mac OS X Internals and inform yourself. - totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"The gensis for this rumor started.."
That adds some credibility, right there ;P - kuribo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I just hope they pick one UI and stick with it. Now with Tiger, a lot of apps are moving toward the smooth unified theme (which I personally like the best by far), while Finder and some other windows are brushed metal, and a few windows here and there are pinstripe.
A unified-like, black/dark UI sounds amazing, but almost anything would be better than having at least three different styles sprinkled around. (Yes, I know about UNO, but this stuff should be built in, especially from a company that prides itself (usually with good reason) on its UI and usability.) - sunchild, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6and debunked as a fake shortly after.
- etandrib, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Yep. iPod wasn't first to market... the "Shuffle" was about 4-6 years behind its competitors but I wouldn't even think of buying any other music player today.
- Ninjab3ar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5i have the feeling that the new giu will look very similar to the previous one, apple has a history of only making subtle changes, the major changes normally come in huge waves after long occasions, such as when aplee decided to make 'colorful' computers starting with the g3 imac, and when they moved on to their "white and sbrushed metal phase", in which they are on now. For example, the imac g3 to the imac g4 was strong, same as the powerbook g3 to powerbook g4 and the ibook g3 to ibook g4. but when it came to changing from the g5 to the core duo, very little changes were made. i for one dont htink that we are on another move towards a different image for apple, so i dont predict that the changes in the new OS X will be anything truly significant.
- zwilliams, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@ Ninjab3ar:
"No Viruses (As long as installed base remains low)"
There is absolutely no evidence to back that statement up. It is just repeated so often that people seem to accept it without consideration. For one thing AmigaOS which never had as many users as Mac OS, or OS X has just over 199 known viruses. Look at Linux/BSD (which outnumbers OS X users) now tens of millions of machines... only around 40-50 or so over its decades of use.
It is not about how obscure the machine is, it is how the machine handles its functions and user interaction. *nix/BSD keeps itself clean by having limited user accounts, closed ports, required user authentication, and much more. To top it off, it has a never ending stream of contributions of code fixes for exploitable holes.
So please stop asserting OS X is clean of viruses because of low market percentage. That assertion is based on no solid evidence. People will claim "oh it is common sense that it is so" but common sense dictates that you base beliefs on proven evidence. Otherwise it is just a lame attempt at theory.
Please people, stop telling people something when there is no evidence to back it up. You're not helping anyone or any cause when you do stuff like that. It is about as helpful as telling people that aliens live on Saturn and are planning our downfall, ignoring the fact that there is no evidence for or against it. - wfbnadador, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4that image dugg a few days back was complete bulls hit, more or less a concept project, and training operation. on his homepage, he clearly states that he just did it to show what he would do if he were to redesign the apple site
- daldredge, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Not possible.
To acknowledge that a new, better interface is even possible is an affront to the Church of Jobs and its everpowerful RDF!
- badtz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6moral of the story: BRUSH METAL NEEDS TO GO!!! PLEASE! :)
- ThatBlokeRob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Remember when the 'MacBook' & 'MacBook Pro' came out...? Get ready with the salt and pepper jhurshman, that hat's gonna taste good! :P
- mmeads, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I love lamp.
- bwesterman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sounds cool. I'm waiting for the new OS from both Apple and Windows! I just want some new stuff to play around with!
- kronix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I wonder how apple will deal with a huge usability issue that I have with dark colored interfaces. As of now, most websites are designed with very very light background colors. When most applications are more towards the black, the eye can't help but be drawn to the white website which stands out like a sore thumb. It's much better to have in interface with more neutral colors so nothing looks too out of place. It's a reason why I can't use a completely black theme on linux or in windows.
I know this is completely unscientific - canyonblue, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I honestly have doubts that there will be ANY CHANGES to the GUI in Leopard beyond ridding the rest of the OS of the old pre-Tiger brushed metal look. Reasons?
Well the few apps that still have brushed metal in Tiger (ie. Safari, Calculator etc.) have slowly become the smooth grey look as each build of Leopard Beta has come out. Why would Apple spend time updating the look of these apps during beta if the reality is there is a hidden sweeping change to the whole GUI coming? I mean wouldn't they have stayed "brushed metal" in the betas and then in Jan when Steve Jobs come out on stage he would show the real look? These changes in the beta seem to imply that Leopard will simply continue the "grey" look that Tiger started and make sure it is more uniformly applied.
I hope I am wrong, but I doubt it. I would just expected brushed metal to disappear, and all remaining blue gel stuff to go grey. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Why would Apple use such an tongue-twistingly awkward non-Apple sounding name? Answer: they aren't.
- witte, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2In Leopard, Apple will probably make use of an [unnecessary] 2004 patent they secured of a pretty basic GUI concept:
"...overlaid, Information-bearing windows whose contents remain unchanged for a predetermined period of time become translucent. The translucency can be graduated so that, over time, if the window's contents remain unchanged, the window becomes more translucent. In addition to visual translucency, windows according to the present invention also have a manipulative translucent quality. Upon reaching a certain level of visual translucency, user input in the region of the window is interpreted as an operation on the underlying objects rather than the contents of the overlaying window." - Rocky21743, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Not seeing the "Illuminous" name ever happening. Does not role well off the tongue. Too much of a complex word to come out of Cupertino.
- bleonard, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2whats your impression of timeline? are you using an external hd equal in size or larger than the hd you've got os x installed on?
- Kale, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Agreed about the pinstripes, I can't stand them. I use the Dark Uno theme. It's a really clean gradient theme.
- christophla, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2One has to wonder how similar it will be to the compiz/beryl 3D accelerated window manager that has been out for several months on the linux platform...
Of course, apple will streamline the entire interface and make it look damn good. - kuribo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@alternative724
There's a special theme you can get for Firefox that makes it unified, like Camino, if you're using both it and UNO. And Adium always became unified for me, if I switched to the "regular window" window style. Also, in the newer versions, you can choose to make everything light gray, or dark gray.
I don't know how you can complain about it making things look like iTunes 7. It's SUPPOSED to make things have that style. If you don't like it, just say you don't like it. - linkbeat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Unix/Linux gui's have had the multiple desktops forever, and somehow I rarely used more than one. It might be useful for some people but I have a hunch that most people will stick to one. Also, I find that OSX's dashboard (hello loading time) is less useful than widgets on the desktop.
- phytonix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I agree. We probably will see some more visual effects, animate icons, vector UI etc.
- wush, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1disagree - they are nice and under-stated. the aqua bubble scroll bars look garish and dated.
- shauncullen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2If we assume that the direction the UI is taking is going to be like iTunes 7 with extra graphic bells and whistles, then I am pretty much running the new UI with shapeshifter + iTunes 7 theme. So, unless it is something way out there, its not that exciting for me.
- fluidfoundation, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1request granted (see below, although its old and not exactly Mac OS).
- mkameli, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Buried for being lame and vague as hell.
- stevenstclair, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4@Ninjab3ar
Dugg for using the phrase "Heres the deal" - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4I just hope that whatever the changes, the UI won't have the same scrollbars and introduced in iTunes 7. Those were ugly.
- samuelcotterall, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I think the phrase "If it isn't broken, don't try to fix it" was coined for this story.
I fear change. - forchilli, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1i know but i guess thats supposed to be that blck gloss mentioned in the article
- chrisxkelley, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1@FuzzyBunny
wrong!
wii came before the ps3, and look at it go! - jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3I am still using the Leopard beta on my powerbook and find spaces really fun to show off but not entirely useful. Here is to hoping that this is more functional... or at least useful in some way...
- FuzzyBunny, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4Usually not. First to market products fail all the time due to the fact that their initial appeal is based almost solely on their innovation. Later products generally build on that innovation through improvements to the product and just plain better business practices.
- fluidfoundation, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0no kidding folks. Apple's got to come up with a really flaming name for it, they wouldnt just leave it at "Illuminous".
- Phusion, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Welcome to last week people, ugh dupes..
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