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New MacBook Pros with Santa Rosa and LED Displays

macrumors.com — Today, Apple has introduced the new MacBook Pros as expected. The new MacBook Pros utilize the Santa Rosa chipset and come in the following configurations:

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  • rocnrollbandit, on 10/11/2007, -29/+54This is awesome. I've been waiting for SR and the LED displays.
    • TheProtested, on 10/11/2007, -27/+109the macbook pro just keeps getting sexier.
    • plucas, on 10/11/2007, -1/+169Only the 15 inch is LED. "The new MacBook Pro is available in 15-inch models with a new mercury-free, power-efficient LED-backlit display and a 17-inch model with an optional high-resolution display."
    • tinko, on 10/11/2007, -51/+25no ultraportable?!!!1

      damn you apple. i guess my 12" PB will have to last me FOREVER.
    • MikeWeller, on 10/11/2007, -47/+21"Thank you for your order.
      We’re processing it now. You will receive an email confirmation shortly."

      Note that the 7200 RPM drives add 3-4 weeks to the delivery estimate. I don't mind waiting.
    • LegendOfLink, on 10/11/2007, -303/+63@theprotested

      Yes, more sexier...and more expensive.

      @Mac users reading the comments

      Go ahead, Digg me down. It'll make you feel better about paying so much for your MacBook Pro.
    • rebotfc, on 10/11/2007, -14/+184Awesome update, though a voucher for a free leopard upgrade would of been nice.
    • DOGPARTY, on 10/11/2007, -100/+169Legendoflink is a cheapskate :)

      enjoy your tacky windows laptop with its row of gaudy pointless LEDs and its ***** tacky curvy case that trise to hide its fatness
    • EmailAddress, on 10/11/2007, -52/+5...
    • LegendOfLink, on 10/11/2007, -86/+51@dogparty

      I am a cheap bastard!

      My Windows laptop might be gaudy and the LEDS about as useful as ***** on a bull, but it ain't no two-grand, that's for damn sure. Besides, all those wonderful lights help me find the bathroom at night when I leave the laptop charging.
    • scaper, on 10/11/2007, -124/+20@dogparty

      I take it you've never ventured off of Apple's site...

      http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/notebook-supermodel/intel-unveils-worlds-thinnest-laptop-almost-skinny-as-a-razr-263359.php

      That's one of a few...
    • geminitojanus, on 10/11/2007, -16/+114@scaper

      That's a concept laptop, not a production model.
    • naio, on 10/11/2007, -30/+9@dogparty:

      pwn3d.
    • scaper, on 10/11/2007, -31/+13@geminitojanus

      Yup, it's the only one I had handy in my browser history unfortunately, but I think it is safe to say that Apple isn't the only one thinking about a sleek designs when it comes to laptops.
    • mobilehavoc, on 10/11/2007, -43/+163Why can't we all just get along? The MBPs are very very nice laptops. I however just recently purchased (6 months ago) a Sony VAIO SZ laptop for $1800 that has a Intel Core2Duo T7200, 13.3" 1280x800 res LED backlight display, Nvidia 7400/Intel 950 hybrid graphics, 2GB RAM, 120GB 5400RPM HD, DVD Dual-layer burner, built in web cam with mic, 802.11a/b/g, BT 2.0, EDGE WWAN, etc. and it weighs ~ 4lbs. Also I would say it looks pretty damm sexy being carbon fiber and all.

      So don't knock non-Apple notebooks until you've done your research.
    • Kazbaeden, on 10/11/2007, -14/+10@gemini

      I read it was likely to go into production.

      From the businessweek article:

      "people familiar with the matter say a PC maker will announce plans to start manufacturing the machine later this year."
    • wageslaven, on 10/11/2007, -30/+37@scaper / geminitojanus

      Point made scaper. There isnt an honest observer that can possibly suggest this hardware is unique. Santa Rosa and LED backlights are already in many laptops, from other vendors and for less money.

      Its nice that you apple loyalists can have LED / Santa Rosa too, I'll not begrudge you that, by all means knock-yourself-out (its your $$$), but please dont try and start pretending that only Apple has SR/LED backlights m'kay.

      And, I wont bother looking up the Asus, Toshiba, Sony, Lenovo, Dell, Gateway, HP or SHARP models for you. I know it, you know it, we all know it.
    • camix, on 10/11/2007, -18/+5What no Intel Turbo Memory option?? Guess OS X can't take advantage of it yet? Maybe Leopard can?? Anyone know why this option isn't available and or being taken advantage of?
    • almalax19, on 10/11/2007, -1/+161Top of the line 15.4" specs, old/new:

      2.33 GHz to 2.4 GHz
      667 MHz FSB to 800 MHz
      3GB RAM max to 4GB
      120GB HD to 160GB (160GB 7200 rpm option!)
      6x SuperDrive to 8x
      Radeon X1600 to GeForce 8600M GT (great upgrade!)
      CCFL backlight to LED
      5.6 lbs. to 5.4 (3.2 oz. lighter!)
      5 hr. max batt life to 6 hrs.
    • geminitojanus, on 10/11/2007, -12/+12"I read it was likely to go into production.
      From the businessweek article:
      "people familiar with the matter say a PC maker will announce plans to start manufacturing the machine later this year.""

      Not to sound too negative, but I'd really like to know who they were talking to who said they were interested in manufacturing these things on a larger scale. If they do go into production, you're really gonna think Apple laptops are cheap.

      The whole thing is basically made of composites and plastics, which give the structure no real support (read: fragile), and very likely the boards inside are bonded to the plastics instead of screwed as this allows them tighter clearances, so don't even think about upgrade-ability or repairs (not to mention that everything is probably a BGA inside of the thing). The battery is a lithium-polymer design, so it might be a bit dangerous to put into production as well (LiPoly's are generally safe, but stick them behind a thin sheet of plastic instead of a thick piece of plastic with a metal insert and all bets are off).

      I wouldn't be surprised at all if someone derived a model from this concept and put it into production, but as it's currently built I'd have to say no way. Maybe I'm being a bit too skeptical, but I just don't think the technologies are ready to start shipping that laptop, and even if they were, I'd be severely surprised if they could break the $3k barrier. Perhaps selling them as Prada or something...
    • TheWorm, on 10/11/2007, -6/+59Gorgeous as it is, part of me was really wanting to see a new case. They've had that same design for years.
    • slamtv7, on 10/11/2007, -48/+8Do MacBooks have built in Wifi? (Just wondering)
    • infectedproject, on 10/11/2007, -17/+12Yes..
    • citizen782, on 10/11/2007, -44/+8I've had it. In response to this, and the many other Macboy and fanatical Linux posts throughout Digg, I just went and registered windowsfanboy.com. I ***** you not.

      Now prove your allegiance to Granny Smith, move to the right, find the red thumb and bury me in hell.
    • EarlofSlander, on 10/11/2007, -16/+4So does this mean Kevin is finally going to pick up a new laptop? Alex's Falcon Northwest has been showing him up on diggnation.
    • Braxo, on 10/11/2007, -20/+46@legend

      I'll take my Macbook pro any day. Its more expensive because I can run dual screens with windows on one and mac os x on the other at the same time on the same laptop. Can yours?
    • PURDooM, on 10/11/2007, -9/+6@theworm: You don't fix whats not broken. Besides, by keeping the same recognizable case, it makes their marketing much easier because a mac can easilly be indentified as a mac.
    • Kurisuku, on 10/11/2007, -13/+27Now if only they upgrade the GPU on the regular macbook. *sigh.*

      2k for a laptop is silly.... This counts especially when you make roughly 200 a month.
    • geminitojanus, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7"Anyone know why [Intel's Turbo Cache] isn't available and or being taken advantage of?"

      Two things immediately come up:
      1 NAND availability. ITC/Robson NANDs have to be ONFI standardized NAND devices, or have some kind of translation logic in place to make them so. The first run of Hynix's ONFI RAM is still cooking last I heard, and Intel's/Micron's co-venture isn't likely to be running for production for a few more months (they're sampling limited quantities now). The spec was only ratified 6 months ago.
      2 "Where to put it". Without respinning the case design, I'm not quite sure where they'd put it. The Turbo Cache module hangs off a PCI-X connector rather than being integrated into the motherboard itself (although you probably could integrate it if you felt like it), but the Macbook Pro's motherboard is already a rather congested board, finding room for the chips and the controller might be difficult.

      If I had to pick one, I'd definitely go with the first.
    • monospaced, on 10/11/2007, -19/+10@mobilehavoc

      Your laptop has "hybrid graphics." Therefore, it cannot compare to a MacBook Pro. Try again.
    • drakino, on 10/11/2007, -12/+84Ahh yes, here comes the "Macs are so expensive" crowd. Guess what, that hasn't been true for a long time. Yes, some Mac laptops like these cost $2k and up. Guess what, Dell has laptops over 2k, as does many other vendors. And if you compare one spec for spec, Apple prices usually sit right in the same spot as everyone else. Sometimes they are cheeper, sometimes a bit more, but never hugely expensive when compared to the competition.

      The main difference is Apple makes very few models, and keeps their systems towards the high end of the market. Don't like it? Don't buy them just as you probably won't buy a high end Dell. Sure, that $600 plastic cheaply built laptop might serve your needs, but some people expect more.

      I can't do a direct comparison with Dell yet since their Santa Rosa systems aren't on the site yet, but if the comparison is similar to when the Mac Pro or MacBook Pro came out, Apple will be noticeably cheeper for the same thing. My MacBook Pro (Core Duo model) would have cost me $300 more for the same spec laptop from Dell when I bought it. Yes, Dell would have cost me more money. And still been a cheep plastic case.
    • Mist0r_Wiggles, on 10/11/2007, -14/+7What i like to know is, how can they justify by charging you $750 for adding 2 more GB of ram?!

      while adding more GB on the hard drive is $150 max
    • mobilehavoc, on 10/11/2007, -11/+15@monospaced:

      Do you even know what Hybrid means in this case? There's a switch on the laptop that lets you either use onboard Intel GMA950 or the dedicated Nvidia 7400Go GPU. It's one or the other and it's fantastic. I can use Intel GMA950 when I need power saving and mobility and the Nvidia for games and graphics. Best of both worlds.

      Sorry, you loose, try again.
    • quietcynic, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2@legendoflink

      I'm really more irked by the way you turn a phrase (more sexier?), but sure; let's pretend I'm a fanboy that cares about how much you can and cannot afford to spend on technology.
    • hanu4u, on 10/11/2007, -14/+8Photo's
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    • l33tsauce, on 10/11/2007, -10/+38Whoever said that the new mac pro is expensive gotta be smoking crack. Have you try to configure a similar spec laptop from Dell, HP, Alienware, Acer, Sony? They usually cost more and is about half as nice looking. Do yourself a favor, go to the student discount section, you can get any mac pro for $200 cheaper, plus a $200 rebate if you buy a Nano with your mac pro. Thats $2300 for the best laptop that money can buy plus a Nano :) Thats a pretty sweet deal IMO.

      BTW: before people crying fanboy, I've been a windows user for almost 10 years and counting.
    • JonForTheWin, on 10/11/2007, -8/+5YES! an Nvidia chip! and a good one too!
      I may just buy one of these. =)

      But the resolution sucks. Aw, I'm gonna have to buy a replacement screen and mod it. Hm . . but I can do that, in that case I shall buy one.

      Apple's laptops have the nicest cases.
    • Kurisuku, on 10/11/2007, -8/+2@l33tsauce - 2000 is a lot no matter what brand it is, honestly. Plus you *can* get similarly spec'd notebooks for cheaper. Rebates don't count, why would I want to wait to get my money back? Sometimes it never comes! Nevermind that the student discount only applies to people, gasp, in school. Which I'm not.

      I want a macbook. With a slightly better GPU than the gma 950. IMO the low-end Macbook pro would be better priced at around 1799.00 with applecare included for *free* at that price. The leap between the macbook and the pro is just too wide. 2k is a lot of money. That's not something you recover from quickly. It's not like in a few years it'll be like "Oh, well it's old now, let me drop another 2k... It's not that much." In a few years it's still more like "I spent 2k on this. I need to keep milking it since it was so expensive, regardless if I need to upgrade..."
    • Boondoggle, on 10/11/2007, -6/+2 by scaper 1 hour ago
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      @dogparty

      I take it you've never ventured off of Apple's site...

      http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/notebook-supermodel/intel-unveils-worlds-thinnest-laptop-almost-skinny-as-a-razr-263359.php

      That's one of a few...
      -----------------------------
      Looking an aweful lot like a Macbook Pro, isn't it? Where can I buy that one?
    • drakethegreat, on 10/11/2007, -7/+4A creative powerhouse? Maybe, seems like a profit powerhouse for Apple.
    • JonForTheWin, on 10/11/2007, -9/+3Oh ***** er a uh, EDIT. The resolution on the FIFTEEN INCH sucks. I've had a 15.4" laptop with a 1920x1200 screen before. And, I ***** loved it. =(
    • webmasterjoe, on 10/11/2007, -2/+29@kurisuku: "2k for a laptop is silly.... This counts especially when you make roughly 200 a month."

      $200 a month? As in $2400/year?

      I don't know if you're a student or something, but that's mighty low. I don't think many companies are going to be concerned with fitting their products into a budget like that. I don't want come across as mean (you certainly could have circumstances that prevent you from getting a better job or more hours), but really, I don't think you can counter the price of a laptop with an income that is roughly $12K below the poverty line.

      And $2K for a laptop is reasonable if you need a laptop with these specs. If you work in A/V or graphic design, for example, the cost is worth the freedom to render video or bounce audio tracks while you're on location (or going to/from a location).
    • colincornaby, on 10/11/2007, -5/+1"Oh ***** er a uh, EDIT. The resolution on the FIFTEEN INCH sucks. I've had a 15.4" laptop with a 1920x1200 screen before. And, I ***** loved it. =("

      The 15" has an LED display though.

      Personally, I don't know what to get. A high res 17" display. Or a 15" LED display with brighter colors.
    • plnegative1, on 10/11/2007, -14/+13"enjoy your tacky windows laptop"

      Windows doesn't make laptops. Neither does Microsoft.
    • themastersb, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11They switched to an awesome 8 series Nvidia graphics card
    • digitalarcanum, on 10/11/2007, -12/+5congratulations macbook fans! you can now groan and gurgle about the latest macbook iteration that's just as overpriced as the last! It doesn't matter that the hardware is the same and the quality of apple laptops is going down the crapper, feel the pride in knowing you're certified to be a smug and pompous ***** because you paid more to help Steve Jobs afford his designer jeans at stupid keynote presentations!

      Don't let that stop you though! Stevie is a better man than Bill Gates ever will be, even though he gives all his money to charity and Jobs is just as much a thief as Bill Gates is! Don't let the fact that he stole an open-source kernel and multiple open-source applications and gave next to no code back stop you from your mindless gurgling! you're a mac zealot! be proud!

      /sarcasm abound
    • Gameflyer, on 10/11/2007, -6/+28WTF, adding 2 GBs of RAM costs $750!?
    • streak, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Just how great is an 800 MHz frontside bus, when memory remains clocked at only 667 MHz? This creates a speed mismatch that basically wipes out half the advantage of going from 667 to 800 for the frontside bus. Only the speed of communicating with the L2 cache would be improved. Naturally, the 2.4 GHz processor is not just a little faster, though, but it sits in the sweet spot for performance, as well, because its speed is an integral multiple of 800 MHz. I would gladly sacrifice the new, additional hour of battery life for 800 MHz memory.
    • noopzilla!, on 10/11/2007, -10/+1"WTF, adding 2 GBs of RAM costs $750!?"

      dude, these models come standard with 2gb of ram, upgradeable to 4gb. what are you smoking?
    • robdazomba, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3legendoflink = Burger King employee.
    • zdiggler, on 10/11/2007, -8/+4I bought a Acer notebook for like 450 bucks, its got Core2Duo and 19" Wide Screen with 1 gig of ram. Its thin, quiet and fast more importantly It does what I want, configure network systems, program home theathers, go online. What else do I want to do with laptop?

      Which is good enough for me to take it on the road. I didn't even care about having Dual Core either. Its all about More Bang for the Buck$$ for me.
    • LegendOfLink, on 10/11/2007, -5/+5@robdazomba

      If Burger King employee means I'm a smart shopper, then would you like fries with that?
    • toxicvarn90, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Ah man, I just bought my macbook pro 2 months ago!

      I don't care much for 5% extra in CPU speed, but the LED, nividia 8600, and improved wireless just makes me feel disappointed for buying to early. (I desperately needed a mac with final cut, couldn't find one, so had to buy one.)
    • mynameisjonas, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Damn man, I agree with gameflyer, $750 for a 2gb upgrade to ram seems a little excessive. I'm definitively getting an new MBP but after leopard comes out, hopefully the RAM prices will drop by then, otherwise i'll just got to crucial, those guys rock.
  • Utku, on 10/11/2007, -26/+4417-inch has an optional high-resolution display at 1920x1200

    they are not LED displays
    • SgtBlue, on 10/11/2007, -14/+59They are LED backlit displays on the 15 inch models, check your facts.
    • Utku, on 10/11/2007, -8/+15you're right - it wasn't listed in tech specs
    • SgtBlue, on 10/11/2007, -3/+26The 17" displays aren't LED-backlit though, just to clear that up.

      That's nice, I didn't want to lug around a big ol' 17" MBP anyway. Same graphics card and vram between the two models, exactly what I was hoping for. Woohoo!
    • FuzzyBunny, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14Interesting... When pricing the 2.4 ghz 15 inch model, if you switch from the standard screen to the glossy screen it reduces the price by $150. Does anyone know if this has to do with the LED backlighting or is it just a glitch on the site?
    • chongli, on 10/11/2007, -5/+6The anti-glare coating costs money to apply. Since the glossy screen lacks this coating, it is cheaper.
    • runeasgar, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3@SgtBlue: I like my 17".

      I use it more as a portable computer than as a laptop. Take it from work.. to home.. to school.. to coffeeshop.. I have a nice slim carrying bag for it too.

      I think the 17" models are designed more for people who want a computer that is used in multiple locations.. not necessarily something you pop out of the bag at the park and surf / chat / email.

      Mine spends most of it's time plugged up here, next to my work computer.. on the side table in my living room or at my desk connected to my entertainment / gaming rig :)
    • Boondoggle, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1 by runeasgar 8 minutes ago
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      @SgtBlue: I like my 17".

      I use it more as a portable computer than as a laptop. Take it from work.. to home.. to school.. to coffeeshop.. I have a nice slim carrying bag for it too.

      I think the 17" models are designed more for people who want a computer that is used in multiple locations.. not necessarily something you pop out of the bag at the park and surf / chat / email.

      Mine spends most of it's time plugged up here, next to my work computer.. on the side table in my living room or at my desk connected to my entertainment / gaming rig :)
      ------------------------------------

      I use a Macbook the same way. However I have a nice monitor both at home and at work that make it easier on the eyes. I've virtualized my work PC onto the Macbook, so I never need to boot the physical PC anymore, and I take it home with me at night. Very convienient. Advantage of this over the 17" is, better screens with the external monitors, and easier to carry. Disadvantage, GMA950. But I only play Warcraft so no big deal.



    • neuropsychguy, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1@fuzzybunny

      Great find! With the matte screen (and education discount) you can get the base model for $1664! That's a sweet deal - more than I'd pay as a student but still a sweet deal on a Macbook Pro.
    • neuropsychguy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Oops, digg my previous comment down. It is just a glitch.
    • nolz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Interesting. The drop from anti-glossy to glossy is less with the educational discount compared to retail pricing.

      Not that it matters much since once you check out, the price reverts to as if there is no difference between anti-glossy and glossy.
    • johnpaul191, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1are there even 17" LED backlit display panels yet? are they super duper expensive? i know one of the rumor sites that did their homework said there are not LED backlight displays in either 17" or 24". whatever it was implied the big display MBP or iMac would not initially come with the LED. there was a lot of speculation and investigation when Jobs made that comment about Apple starting to work in the LED backlit displays this year.

      i'll be curious to see one in person. generally LEDs have a different light quality/temperature. you can sync the color, but i still wonder how it looks.
    • hiro, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4"The anti-glare coating costs money to apply. Since the glossy screen lacks this coating, it is cheaper."

      Looking at the specs on the UK store, the glossy/non-glossy screen is a no cost option either way
    • bSimms, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1the price is not changing for me when I switch from glossy/non glossy
  • vinhcenthao, on 10/11/2007, -10/+8Wish the site would talk about the LED backing screens and the SR chipset, but a more environmentally friendly mac? SOLD
  • magicaltrevor, on 10/11/2007, -5/+821920*1200 on a Macbook Pro? Time to sell the old kidney...
    • SirG3, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8Last time I did that I ended up getting chased by dozens of Gary Colemans... No thanks.
    • stealthdave, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14@sirg3

      Dad?
  • mobilehavoc, on 10/11/2007, -4/+43Impressive they upped the default memory config on these to 2GB...and the Nvidia 8600M GT graphics card is a capable DX10 chipset.

    Too bad just bought a laptop...
    • andrewsmith1986, on 10/11/2007, -89/+8too bad its a mac...

      i know i'll be buried now
    • Trat, on 10/11/2007, -27/+82 adrewsmith

      Too bad, cause you can only afford 2nd rate machines? I feel your pain.
    • mobilehavoc, on 10/11/2007, -23/+17Although I'll come clean, if I ever bought a MBP, the first thing I'd do is stick Vista on it so I could get some DX10 gaming on the go.

      Not sure how OSX would benefit from the Nvidia 8600GT...it's not like OSX supports DX10 and the chipset's features right? Seems like a waste.
    • andrewsmith1986, on 10/11/2007, -48/+8no. i enjoy playing non blizzard games on my computer. something macs just don't offer
    • geminitojanus, on 10/11/2007, -14/+38"something macs just don't offer"

      A) Bunches of game companies make games for both PC and Mac. You'd actually be surprised how many do if you picked up a few random titles and flipped them over.
      B) Macs can boot and virtualize PC OSes now, so any game you have access to on your PC, you've got access to on your Mac. [This would technically make the Mac a superior gaming machine, as there are games available for Macs that aren't available elsewhere, yet your Mac can now run any Windows or Linux game].
      C) That troll is as old as time itself.

      -1 for your efforts.
    • zeejay, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19@andrewsmith1986

      That's no longer a valid objection. If you want non-Blizzard games, just install Windows on it... duh.
    • wageslaven, on 10/11/2007, -18/+6And I would pay more for an Apple laptop to run Vista why? There are many many many fine laptops that can run Vista, better features and less price.

      Apple is for people who choose -- for whatever reason -- to run OSX. By itself, in that wider, 97% of the hardware market, Apple is a nonstarter.
    • UKsHaDoW, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15openGL surports Directx 10 features, through nvidia extensions.
    • andrewsmith1986, on 10/11/2007, -14/+2@ wage Exactly

      why pay out the nose just to run a seperate operating system just to install an operating system that i could have gotten for cheap.

      i understand other companys make games but the best by far is blizzard.

      at least y'all have better points than kevin had.
    • Simplex42, on 10/11/2007, -3/+15> There are many many many fine laptops that can run Vista, better features and less price.

      Name them. List how they match every feature of a Macbook pro. Not just some subset of features, but all of them.

      If you make a claim, back it up.
    • tuzziel, on 10/11/2007, -12/+2Yep, it is DX10 capable GPU, but on Mac you will have to use slow OpenGL anyway...
    • popezaphod, on 10/11/2007, -7/+13If you want to play games, buy a PC or a console.

      If you want a computer that lets you do what you want instead of learning how to get it to almost do the things you want, get a Mac.
    • Stirk, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7@ tuzzlel
      http://youtube.com/watch?v=PM6s59OPJbk&mode=related&search=
      There is your slow OpenGL..
    • UKsHaDoW, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14Actually openGL is faster than Directx because of com interface Directx uses. About 20% faster. Having to use a kernel-mode switch every time its sends a command.

      But this is irrelevant as polygons are now sent as batches in one function call, on both API's. So there are not enough of these DirectX commands being executed to make a big difference.

      The moral of the story is that there pretty much the same, just some Directx commands are slower, if Directx had a intermediate mode as openGL does ,then directx would be very slow, but doesn't and all drawing is using vertex buffers.

      So you pretty much don't know what your talking about, until you've actually tried graphics programming(this is my job).
    • superkendall, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4@mobilehavoc:

      The reason for a more powerful video card on OS X is that the whole operating system makes use of the faster speed, not just the gaming API - every window is using the graphics card for compositing, and some applications (like Aperture) use the Core Image engine sitting on top of the video card for faster graphical manipulation of images.

      So there are lots of reasons for an OS X laptop to have a better video card, gaming being only one of them (unlike Windows where you'd be using it mostly for games and perhaps a little for Aero).
    • Trat, on 10/11/2007, -12/+1For the last time: playing games on a PC is for FAGS and WANKERS!!!! Buy a console, its more fun and it wont give you acne!!!!
    • noahhoward, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2"Not sure how OSX would benefit from the Nvidia 8600GT...it's not like OSX supports DX10 and the chipset's features right? Seems like a waste."

      Another hint pointing toward native Windows apps on the Mac perhaps?
    • zdiggler, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1So you're saying that MacBook just PC based laptops with OSX installed on it?
  • Utku, on 10/11/2007, -23/+10it's a shame they've kept the resolution upgrades to the 17-inches - it's not like there are no 1920 x 1200 15.4" displays.
    • EBFoxbat, on 10/11/2007, -11/+56"1920 x 1200 15.4" displays"

      Who want want to be able to read text anyway. :/
    • zodieman, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19Resolution independence is coming in Leopard. Bring on the high-rez displays, at least we'll look a lot better and have readable text...
    • bleedingdark, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10I don't understand this strange hostility everyone seems to have towards the notion of smallish (15.4") WUXGA screens in MacBooks. I guess WSXGA+ would be OK, but 1440x900? That's just a waste of space, imo.
    • MioTheGreat, on 10/11/2007, -5/+4"Who want want to be able to read text anyway."

      It's a laptop, you're sitting closer to it than you would a desktop most of the time. Even ignoring that, I certainly don't have a problem reading anything on my 1920x1200 15.4" laptop from ~4 feet back without changing any of the DPI settings/font sizes.

      Maybe you need glasses?

      I wouldn't ever get a screen with lower resolution than this. If you can see a pixel without being 2" from the screen, it's a crappy screen. ;)
    • crosswick, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I agree with utku and MioTheGreat. Dell has been supplying 1920x1200 15,4" screens on the Inspiron series for years now. Especially in music production, with all the custom GUIs that plugin effects and instruments have, it's great to have lots and lots of pixels. I have a 15,4" 1680x1050 screen myself.

      I still wonder why no graphics card manufacturer has built a driver that does virtual, anti-aliased resolutions.
  • jesstech, on 10/11/2007, -6/+17'Featuring Intel pcessors!'

    At least Apple is human just like the rest of us.
    • taintedzodiac, on 10/11/2007, -3/+15Don't throw Apples in with Soylent Green.
  • huntedbyafreak, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10Apple press release:
    http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/06/05mbp.html
    • mobilehavoc, on 10/11/2007, -7/+5How in god's name do these laptops have 6 hours of battery life? Is that the same 5 hours my laptop is supposed to get but that's like with wireless off, the screen so dark you need a flashlight to see it and your harddrive not in use??

      Seems the more powerful Santa Rosa CPUs, 802.11n, 5400rpm HD and Nvidia 8600GT graphics chip would have a big impact on the battery life. If this thing really gets 6 hours of battery life or even close, I'll be shocked. I would expect 3-4 hours max.
    • jer2eydevil88, on 10/11/2007, -1/+25The screen uses most of the energy from the battery and since these are now LED backlit they will be much easier on battery life.
    • SniperGX1, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10LEDs for back lighting instead of florescent tubes
    • mobilehavoc, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2I agree LED backlighting helps but the CPU still draws a decent amount of power and the Nvidia 8600GT is a pretty power-intensive and hot (literally chipset) so your fans will be working pretty hard when it's use. LED backlighting is not new, it's been out for a while and I have it in my laptop...it helps but it's not some miracle power saver you are making it out to be.

      I can see it lasting a long time with nothing but web browsing and the display brightness all the way down I suppose...
    • snowwrestler, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0Would the 802.11n upgrade really affect the battery life? I thought the improvements over g are due to protocol improvements, not a higher-power radio.
    • TheTankengine, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5The Santa Rosa platform increases the FSB speed to 800 MHz, but it can now dynamically control that speed to increase battery life.
    • msgyrd, on 10/11/2007, -7/+1All laptop battery measurements are done by turning off everything possible (wireless, backlit keyboard, bluetooth, etc), dimming to monitor to the lowest setting, and then not opening any applications...basically just letting it sit idle until the battery dies. In this case, an LED MBP can be on and do nothing for 6 hours.

      Real life is a different measurement, and there are so many factors that will affect battery performance that depend on what you're doing. I think a nice measurement (that no company would ever give us) would be a minimum battery life also. They could load a program that basically stress tests the laptop, max CPU usage, max GPU usage, dumping RAM contents to the HD and back to RAM, max bandwidth over wireless, brightest screen setting, etc.
  • neiltc13, on 10/11/2007, -34/+4Too bad they're still 15 inch.
    • AaronD12, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4RTFA. 15" and 17" laptops. Where the hell have you been? The Mac Book Pro has only been this way since its introduction. Previous to that, the PowerBook G4 also had a 17" version all the way back to 2003.
    • johnpaul191, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4maybe they were lamenting there was no return of the little pro model (12 or 13.3 inch screen)?
      .....or the apple sub-notebook that has been rumored for 10 years.
  • byte96, on 10/11/2007, -28/+16Please bring back the 12" MB Pro!
    • byte96, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13Had the sneaking feeling someone might say that. Well, you know what I mean. ;) Give us a non iBook 12". Better?
  • dantidote, on 10/11/2007, -20/+149ordered mine; my first mac. I cant wait!
    • crammaz, on 10/11/2007, -15/+32Lucky bastard!

      It will be a great expierence!!

      *hugs macbook*
    • PradaPete, on 10/11/2007, -19/+5better tahn the sex
    • lolgamoff, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11I bought my first mac last april...
      i still have the ***** core duo 2ghz, 100gb 5400 rpm drive, no dual layer burning, and the X1600.
      I really want one of those new 8600s...

      "MacBook Pro graphics performance is up to 57% faster than the original Core Duo-based MacBook Pro."

      /wrist
    • dacjames, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2so is everyone that's digging this comment also ordering a new mbp? if so, I am very jealous of all 80 of you.
    • yoyobye, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2My MBP was my first mac, and it's served me so well! I love OSX, I've gotten a few games for it, and it just runs seamlessly. Greatest purchase ever!

      I still have my windows desktop for lan parties and gaming, but the MBP just goes everywhere with me, and battery life is great, so I can use it as a student intermittently all day.

      Congrats. Enjoy the mac.
    • Xyc0, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0I bought one too :D For my first mac, it rocks any PC i've ever owned.
  • The_Ox, on 10/11/2007, -7/+3Looks like they arn't using 802.11n DRAFT anymore ! yay !
  • AppleJan, on 10/11/2007, -7/+5Man, I really love these machines!
  • gotamd, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13Those are pretty sweet machines, but I'd expect that for $2k+. The 15" LED backlit screen should be pretty awesome, as is the ability to get full 1080p resolution on the 17" (nevermind that it's too large for me to really consider portable and too small of a screen to really need 1080p at any real viewing distance...but whatever, still pretty sweet). I wonder how much the battery life changed from the LED backlighting on the 15". I would assume it helped a good deal as LEDs use less power.
    • kdjsmith, on 10/11/2007, -6/+4Their rating on battery life is 6 hours - isn't that up from 5 on the previous model? Less than I'd have expected from all the LED Backlighting hype. (Yes, yes, I know, the 6 hours is in Apple's perfect world and not the real one, but it's still a gauge.)
    • spiralspirit, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Have to assume that most of the energy gain from the LED screen would be consumed by the more demanding video card, etc.
    • Ireland, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1"I wonder how much the battery life changed from the LED backlighting on the 15".
      The tech specs says 'up to 6 hours', I believe the page said 'up to 5 hours', in that case.. an hour more, wow.
  • TheStoof, on 10/11/2007, -31/+5What the flux? I bought a MBP last May just before the Core 2 Duo came out...and now they update to brighter displays, 120GB, standard 2GB instead of 512mb, and a damn GeForce 8600M GT. UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH. I hate computers. Lol.
    • neiltc13, on 10/11/2007, -1/+19You have to buy sometime.
    • kdjsmith, on 10/11/2007, -1/+20Anybody else notice the max RAM spec is now 4GB instead of 3GB...?

      I assume SantaRosa doesn't have the same memory mapping issues as the last chipset?
    • zodieman, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7And people who buy one of these in 6 months will complain about the new ones being better, faster etc... There is no "good time" to buy a new Mac. You basically buy it when you need it. The only caveat is to pay attention to the model timeline and when most of the good rumour sites agree on new models being imminent. Also, Apple releases new products on Tuesdays 99% of the time.
  • spiffywilco, on 10/11/2007, -2/+70I'll miss you mercury... sweet, sweet mercury.
    • Thud, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17You can still have mercury in the 17-inch model (which is still backlit by CCFL).

      Screw you, environment!
    • bluering, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Its actually kind of bitter, err...

      Not sure why I would know that. Maybe that explains why I am "mad as a hatter".
  • Talisian, on 10/11/2007, -31/+3 Doh! Still no 7200 RPM drives. Would have been nice to 256 memory on the vid card too. Other then that, it looks very nice.


    Correction- they do have option for 7200 RPM drives...thats awesome.
    • BrK1, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8The 7200RPM 160GB Sata drive is a $150 option.
    • SuperSneaks, on 10/11/2007, -18/+3Uh, their are 7200 rpm drives and a 256 vid card.
    • quik22, on 10/11/2007, -1/+20"their are"??? my god.
    • benb, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4The 160GB 7200RPM drive is a whopping $225 upgrade on the cheapest model.
  • bradallen18, on 10/11/2007, -8/+3You can save $150.00 if you make your screen glossy.
    here's a pic!
    http://www.pscomic.com/gfc/Price.png
    • meatmcguffin, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7But then you can't read them outside or by a window. Some trade off :/
    • BrK1, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Interesting. I chose the glossy display, but didn't catch the price drop. I wonder if that's intentional on their part?
    • SgtBlue, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13That's just a glitch on the order config page, it corrects itself with the real correct price on the Shopping Cart.
    • trylleklovn, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6I find that glossy displays are easier to read outside or by a windows than matt displays.
      The problem is that matt displays receives the light that hits it, rather than reflecting it, thus decreasing the contrast.

      I've actually tested this with a PowerBook and a MacBook with direct sunlight from behind me, and i could easily see what was on the MacBook, the PowerBook however was unusable.
    • DigitalN, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2I have to agree with trylleklovn, it seems that people that are always knocking glossy displays have never actually USED them in direct sunlight.
    • molochi, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10When your starched white shirt reflects off the glossy screen you can't see a damn thing unless you crank up the brightness. Macbook users won't have this problem because they all wear black turtlenecks.
    • monahanman, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1@molochi i think you get the award for the funniest post so far.
  • Muzz27, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16Just bought one to replace my Powerbook G4, overcome by blindness after a tragic fall 3 months ago. The old boy was only 3 years and 6 months old. God rest his soul...
    • DOGPARTY, on 10/11/2007, -4/+37My TiBook is still going strong, silky smooth with expose and such, with only 800mhz :)
      TAKE THAT VISTA!
    • spiffywilco, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12Yeah, well, my TiBook broke this past week, finally after 7 years of active duty. It was the 500MHz TiBook, otherwise known as the first one they made. It worked till literally last week, when I dropped it one too many times and the screen broke off. It ran expose... actually pretty well, and it was chillin with 10.4.

      (sigh) It was sooooo good to me these past years. Time to sell the airport card for a cool 80$
    • jk_baller23, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Ugh, I want a new MBP. Using a PB that I bought 2 years ago, still running strong. Time to hand it down to another family member to get the new MBP.
    • streetstealth, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Titanium forever!

      Of course, even though my 867 is still holding out like a trooper, each new MBP release pushes me just a bit closer to retiring it. Depending on how good these LED screens look, maybe I should stay away from the Apple store; I don't want to rush things...
    • stmiller, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Another Tibook user here. 867Mhz G4, from circ 2002. Great machines.
  • TheStoof, on 10/11/2007, -6/+1Perhaps the glossy doesn't include LED display? Why would it cost less? O_o
  • chrisc262, on 10/11/2007, -18/+3wow - linux on an intel chip
    im so impressed
  • Jonmad17, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9Crap.I just got a Mackbook Pro about a month or two ago.Well at least i love it.
    • jiggawoot, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7You mean you can't really recall if you go it 4 weeks or 8 weeks ago? O_o

      I can tell you it is 2 years, 7 months and 2 weeks since I got my 17" PowerBook G4. Although I couldn't tell you precisely to the day/hour/minute, I'm not _that_ obsessed with it.

      Looking forward to October though, time to upgrade.
    • hkpatv, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Next time check Macrumors buyers guide to see if it is worth waiting
      http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/
  • PradaPete, on 10/11/2007, -23/+6WTF WOW I just pulled the trigger on the 17" with Hi-Resolution. Color me baddddd
    • PradaPete, on 10/11/2007, -19/+2yeah digg me down you envious sexless nerds
    • PradaPete, on 10/11/2007, -13/+3yeah it feels so good to have more money than the majority yeah keep the undiggs flowing yeah dark energy....
    • webmasterjoe, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2I have no idea why they're digging you down. People don't want you to buy the new laptop that the article is centered around? I dug you up, not that it will help much...

      Then again, I've been dug down severely for a pun about the iPhone. I think the most vigorous diggers have no sense of humor.
    • wpong, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5i personally think the "color me badd" reference was your downfall.

      and you only made it worse by calling diggdowns "dark energy".

      hopefully, now owning an apple will just make you a douche instead of a nerd...
    • PradaPete, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0I owned Apples since 1984 when the Mac 128k came out. My father bought it because he was a computer geek and allowed me to play around with MacPaint and Zork a little back then. That's why I hate most smug Apple hipsters nowadays - I 0wnz0rs all of them. Now flame away while I track my parcel with the SR MBP 17" HI_RES
  • bytte, on 10/11/2007, -5/+7What's the benefit of a LED display, apart from being more Kyoto friendly?
    • Radan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14Though I might be completely wrong here, I think I read somewhere that part from also giving you a longer battery life and a lighter computer, it also presents slightly better colors, especially in the darker areas.
    • ricksite, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5From what I understand, an advantage to LED backlighting is that it can be turned down to increase contrast. Can anyone else confirm this?
    • jferrari, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13more even backlight + instantly fully bright.
    • SoundScape, on 10/11/2007, -6/+8Simply put, the screen is illuminated by coloured LED globes rather than white ones. This results in deeper blacks and truer colours - basically a better contrast ratio.
    • bytte, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Ok, thanks for the heads up. It's a nice feature, but not really worth the people's rave I guess as the previous MBP screen was more than ok for me!
      Still I shouldn't disregard the importance of the fact that it is greener.
    • Kerr, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Longer battery life, less heat, instantly on full brightness when turned on,....I am sure there is more.
    • ricksite, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2@soundscape I think you are referring to LED displays. Apple's displays are LED-backlit. The increased contrast would come from turning the LEDs off in the dark part of the screen while leaving them on in the bright areas.
    • cyfer2000, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2better contrast, better color.
    • Eccles, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0What's the state of LED backlights and LCD monitors? I tried to check a couple of sources to see availability, and only found reference to a 2005 article about a ~$6,000 NEC LCD monitor.
  • gerrycurl, on 10/11/2007, -13/+2i'm sorry, but i was expecting a flash ram based model instead of a power sucking hard drive. where's the macbook pro in a slimmer form factor that gives us 15 hours of battery life?? didn't dell, hp, or intel create such a thing? great for people buying a new laptop now, but i just got my black macbook back in january so this is less than stellar for me, ymmv.
    • combatchuck, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Yeah, because they should put something as obscure and unreliable as a flash-based drive in their flagship notebook.
    • johnpaul191, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1this is the pro model. with the cost of flash memory, the notebook would either cost way too much, or not have enough storage for a lot of users. the MBP is intended for Pro users, not just people with money that want to have the metal enclosure. many of those users are doing AV work and require a lot more storage than, say, the iPhone has.

      there may be some flash based machine in the future. i think some people are tinkering with a hybrid setup? not sure how it works out in the real world situations though. your OS, and maybe home directory etc would be installed on the flash so the machine boots up really fast, but if you are doing intense work with huge files... that's going to require mechanical drives for now.
    • gerrycurl, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1@combatchuck

      how is that unreliable?! you're making one of those blind and stupid comments like that guy made long ago, "we will never need more than 16MB of ram." flash memory is fine, i know lots of people that boot their operating system off these things and have no issues and the mttf is constantly improving and good enough for this type of operation relative to disk.

      sure it's a pro notebook but that doesn't mean people have to use it just to do heavy duty imaging and audio processing. you seem to have this notion of how people *should* use a macbook pro, you're a big ***** retard, why don't you go enforce how people use macbooks and imacs! i'd love to see your marketing data -- x number of users use the macpro for y. if you think that's the justification for getting a macpro then you obviously have no ***** clue. 5400 - 7200 rpm, come the ***** on, who in their right mind... don't you know that flash is faster....

      do your research first troll

      http://www.storagesearch.com/bitmicro-art3.html
  • Threlly, on 10/11/2007, -13/+5Nice, but not enough.
    I'll be taking a serious look at discounts on the previous models.

    Where is the solid state drive, why is the hi-res display not standard on the top model ?
    Just not different enough to the previous ones.

    Lets hope the new iMacs are more revolutionary....
    • geminitojanus, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3"Where is the solid state drive?"
      $1,500/2-3 years away.

      "why is the hi-res display not standard on the top model ?"
      Choices. Save $100 by not getting it. If your eyes are particularly suited to 1280x800 or 1440x900, then you're spending extra money to get something you're never going to use anyways.
    • MacParrot, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1"Nice, but not enough.
      I'll be taking a serious look at discounts on the previous models."

      I would agree with that. If you look at the comparison page, Apple shows over a 50% increase in speed in "certain" conditions. However, they are not comparing it to the previous gen MBP, but to a Core Duo, essentially a 1st gen MBP. That skews the results significantly.

      If you look on Apple's "Deals" section at the store, they have some previous models selling, some for under $1500! Frankly, I'll take an over 25% price reduction for a second or two of processing time.

    • 83457, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Since I plan on gaming on the mbp this is a great announcement
  • uptown, on 10/11/2007, -12/+62% cash back if you buy through the cash back section at FatWallet.com.
    I'm sure there are other sites out there that offer similar deals.
    http://www.fatwallet.com/cash-back-coupons/Apple-Store (link on the right)
    You need an account there to actually receive the credit, but it's worth it to save a little on your purchase.
    • uptown, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I own Photoshop CS2 for Windows. Anyone have any idea how it'd perform running under Windows w/ Parallels on a MBP? Hoping my license isn't a waste if I make the leap to Mac.
    • lolgamoff, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2With the current release of parallels not so great. However, you can just dual boot using boot camp, and you'd be good to go.
    • jumpfroggy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Dug down for mentioning a coupon for apple? I... just don't get it.
    • superkendall, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Although it would work fine in Parallels, why not get a crossgrade license and simply get the native Mac version of CS2? That works just fine. There is a small fee for shipping you new discs.
  • SnowBladerX, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Good to see the price didn't go up on the base model 15", I will be looking to get one in the next few months or so.
  • lkjashdflk, on 10/11/2007, -6/+4Doesn't sony have led screens on their laptops?
  • MinnesotaTwins, on 10/11/2007, -4/+4It did the same for me, the glossy display brought it down to 1664 with the educational discount. I would rather go for the LED and pay 1799 if that is the case.

    Either way, I think it is time to sell the Macbook. Like everyone else, i wish they released a 13 inch.
  • hanskainz, on 10/11/2007, -49/+0I have to run to the next apple store.
    http://www.hanskainz.com
    • RealityCheque, on 10/11/2007, -5/+30Even your mother doesn't read your ***** blog.
  • SMC90, on 10/11/2007, -7/+3Um...Where are the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD players? Come on Apple, that is the one thing holding me back! I can't remember how many times my Powerbook would be saved with Magsafe.
  • bbeahm, on 10/11/2007, -6/+1I'm going to get one!!!!
    Now I have to choose....glossy or matte?
  • antoni, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4(from http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/specs.html)
    "Battery and power:

    * 15-inch MacBook Pro
    o 60-watt-hour lithium-polymer battery (with integrated charge indicator LEDs) providing up to 6 hours of battery life1
    * Battery17-inch MacBook Pro
    o 68-watt-hour lithium-polymer battery (with integrated charge indicator LEDs) providing up to 5.75 hours of battery life"

    Awesome, 15" has more battery life than 17" now. Most definitely due to the the new LED screens.

    Can't wait to see the battery life of the Macbooks when they have their screens upgraded.
  • zodieman, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Well, now that the MacBooks and MacBook Pros have been updated I guess that leaves the iMacs (and maybe the iPhone) to be the show stealers at WWDC next week. I have a first-gen 20" Intel iMac and I'm really wanting a new 24" model now and give this one to my wife to replace her aging PC. If the new models are nice and priced perhaps a bit lower (with the rumours of the 17" going away and perhaps a larger than 24" model) I just might have to bite the bullet!
    • neiltc13, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I hope the iPhone gets as little time as possible. It's a finished product, we all know what it can do and you've already decided whether to buy some.

      WWDC should be for the computers only.
    • DelMonte, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Ehm... guys? Remember that thing called Leopard?

      WWDC will be about Leopard, everything will be revealed there...
  • afrobuddha, on 10/11/2007, -10/+5***** sake!! I just bought the previous version yesterday damn it!!!Apple always do this ,as soon as i buy a model of theirs a newer version always comes out not to long after! AAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHH!!
    • Kragnerac, on 10/11/2007, -4/+5@afrobuddha: Ouch... sorry man. :(
    • JonMcL, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8I think they allow you to trade up to the newer model for 15 days... or if you ordered it online, you might get the newer model automatically
    • hazard, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9Yesterday? That sucks, but you do know that this announcement was leaked for over a week now dont you? Thats why the story says "as expected". If youre serious about your hardware, keep in touch with whats going on.

      Anyways since you ordered it yesterday theres a very good chance theyll just send you one of the new ones. Oh the excitement!
    • meatmcguffin, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Cancel the order then. Or take it unopened to an Apple store with a receipt and see if they will exchange it.
    • totorototoro, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3afrobuddha,
      if the new ones are shipping now, you should be able to get it replaced no problem-Apple is pretty good about stuff like that.
  • jfryman, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4I just purchased a MBP (15", 2.16Ghz, 2GB RAM, ATI).

    Is there any sort of program or protection that allows me to get the upgraded version at little to no cost?
    • Nicksname1, on 10/11/2007, -15/+2Yeah and Apple's also going to start giving away free iPhones (sarcasm) because they love losing money you idiot.
    • anonym41414, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Do you physically have the laptop? Take it back. There's a restocking fee which the retail employees at the Apple Store will often waive in cases like this.

      If you ordered your laptop and it hasn't yet arrived, just wait. In a few minutes or hours you'll get an e-mail saying you're getting the new model instead of the old one for the same price.

      Apple stops fulfilling online orders for a couple of weeks before releasing a new SKU, specifically to avoid situations like yours.
    • jfryman, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2So in all fairness, the laptop is 2 months old at this point. Business is business... and hindsight is always 20/20. Just curious, as this is my first apple purchase and wanted to know if there were any types of programs to facilitate this.
    • combatchuck, on 10/11/2007, -4/+4Yes, there is: eBay.
    • nycmac247, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@jfryman

      the return window is usually 2 weeks.
    • autorock, on 10/11/2007, -8/+3You could also not buy Apple so you never have to feel the sting of buyer's remorse. This is what happens when you realize, even thought you can't admit it publicly, that you've paid far too much for a digital fashion accessory that depreciates at a truly breathtaking pace.
    • webmasterjoe, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5autorock, Apple computers typically retain their resale value much better than Windows-based machines. But if you know of a Windows-based machine that will not become outdated, by all means, buy your magical computer.

      I hate to let facts and sources get in the way of a tirade, but try researching your claim:
      http://www.applematters.com/index.php/section/comments/the-amazing-resale-value-of-your-mac/
    • monahanman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1There is a 2 week return policy. But, you will have to take a 10% restocking fee. so at least $200 to upgrade.
  • FieroRocky, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2I got mine in mid-April. I heard that the SR chipset was coming but the time estimates I saw were around September. If I knew it was June I would have waited. I do like what I have but dang it ...
  • loudmouth11, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4this is awesome but i want to see a 13.3 inch mackbook pro
  • antheo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3I am tempted by the 15' with the 7200RPM hard drive but I am wondering if it runs much hotter and louder than the previous models. Any idea?
    • chrisc262, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1higher rpm = more power consumption
      louder = depends on the brand

      i want my solid state drive!!
    • foolonthehill, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I looked at the 7200RPM disk for the 15", but it's just not worth it. ~£150 for an extra 40GB and a faster drive. For that I can get an 300GB eSATA external drive and an expresscard to connect it to. I only need a high performance drive when the laptop is at home though (for audio recording). I guess if you need one on the move then it might be worth it.
    • stmiller, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3"higher rpm = more power consumption"

      This was the case several years ago, but is not true today. The 2.5" drive technology is very good now. I replaced the stock 4200rpm drive in my iBook G4 with a 7200rpm drive and it only shaved off 7 minutes of battery life. And the drive is silent.
  • bonjovisucks, on 10/11/2007, -7/+6Just ordered one

    MBP 15/2.4 CTO
    Z0EC $1,999.00 1 $1,999.00
    Custom configuration| Show Hide
    2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
    2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
    160GB Serial ATA Drive@5400rpm
    SuperDrive 8X
    15" Glossy Widescreen Display
    No Modem
    No Optional S/W
    BkLit Keyboard/Mac OS
    Country Kit

    Ships by: Jun 6 - Jun 8
    Delivers by: Jun 8 - Jun 13

    Not a bad update at all! Thanks Apple.

    To those who recently ordered, if it hasn't shipped yet it will more than likely be upgraded to the new specifications at no extra charge. Also, those torn between glossy/matte: pick matte if you have problems with glare wherever you intend to use the machine, otherwise pick glossy - the colors are much more vibrant.
    • Amelios, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1So how did you get the 15" 2.4 for 1999?
    • bonjovisucks, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14I purchased the ADC Student membership for $99 which includes a one-time ADC Hardware Discount of %20. It's an even better deal than the Educational Discount.
    • 83457, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I signed up for Student Developer Membership a couple months ago but decided to wait until upgrades come out. Glad I did... this is great
    • wpong, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1awesome tip for the adc student membership.
  • owaters, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2Awesome, but these upgrades make my November purchase look...less shiny...
    • wageslaven, on 10/11/2007, -8/+2If you buy only from one hardware vendor, you're always in this case. This is why normal people actually "Shop" and "Compare". Whatever you bought in November had a myriad of alternatives, and this announcement again, exists in a much wider ecosystem.

      I just do not understand this thought process.
    • Boondoggle, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1 by wageslaven 1 hour ago
      - 2 diggs
      If you buy only from one hardware vendor, you're always in this case. This is why normal people actually "Shop" and "Compare". Whatever you bought in November had a myriad of alternatives, and this announcement again, exists in a much wider ecosystem.

      I just do not understand this thought process.
      ---------------------------------------------------------

      You're right, you do not understand this. This problem exists even when you shop the entire spectrum of vendors. It has nothing to do with a single vendor. It has to do with the fact that computers are continuously upgraded.
    • webmasterjoe, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4@wageslaven: Maybe some people buy Apple machines EVEN AFTER they "compare" those systems to others. Maybe some percentage of the Mac userbase knew what they needed and felt that the value was worth the price. You obviously haven't come to the same conclusion. That doesn't mean you made the right choice and we made the wrong choice.
    • crimson117, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@webmasterjoe

      Yes, but the primary changes since November (display and 3d graphics card) were not exactly strong points for Apple back in November.

      If he first and foremost wanted mobile 3d graphics back in November, he should have gotten a laptop with a GeForce GO 7950 GTX card, or even dual cards. If he first and foremost wanted a LED-backlit display, I think someone mentioned Sony makes those already.

      But he probably chose Mac over a PC because he prefers Mac OS X over Windows, and he likes the look and feel of the Macbook Pro case. As for shiny-ness... neither the OS nor the case has changed since November :P
  • Kragnerac, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Nvidia GeForce 8xxx in a Mac? This is swell. :D
  • Linh, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4why oh why couldn't they up the resolution on the 15" macbook pros....
  • recede, on 10/11/2007, -7/+5hmmmmmm............ 17"macbookpro............ $2799 in the states - $3585 in the uk ......$786 more - apple really take the piss. what have they got against the brits Eh
    • The_Dude, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Could it be an import tariff by the U.K.?
    • aristotle0dude, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Hmmm. The US price does not include 17.5% VAT while the UK price does. The US price would be 3288.82 with 17.5% VAT and the remaining difference would be accounted for in import tariffs, shipping costs and fluctations in currency rates on the open market. You should not assume that Apple will get the rate that you are quoting from an online calculator. Chances are that they set the prices months ago when the rates were different and even bought a fx contract to convert pending UK sales into USD for Apple HQ which is in the US.
  • djtansey, on 10/11/2007, -4/+0Is there a standard way of getting the now-outdated machines for less? I mean, there must be inventory that apple wants to unload...
    • nycmac247, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@ djtansey

      apple.com/store

      red tag in bottom right corner
    • djtansey, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0@ nycmac247

      Didn't see any red tags. Saw a blue tag that listed refurbs, etc. But no red tag. And no new-but-now-outdated machines.
    • mpeters13, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1check out their refurbished section. IT seems that when the new models come out, EVERYTHING that was on the site the day before becomes "refurbished."
    • monahanman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1it used to be red tags but they changed them to blue today.
  • JimSwarthow, on 10/11/2007, -10/+0omg! Apple is soooo the geh!! - just kiddin'.. sounds like a pretty sweet machine. a little pricey though.. - I'll stick w/ my T-42 for a little longer. the price is sure to come down in 4 or 5 months.
    • Trat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You are refering to the price of your IBM, right?
  • Iwantawii, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Looks like October will be a great time to buy a new MBP!

    O_o
    • bigsteve, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2I was thinking the same thing. And December for an iPhone ;) New chipset *and* new backlight technology? Watch the forums, kids. If you *must* have this thing this month, don't say no one warned you.

      I love my Macbook, but I'm about to bring it in for 5 different problems I've been having that I've been sitting on because I can't be without my work machine.
  • abandonedhero, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1Haha. I was just told by the online support that these aren't Santa Rosa chipsets. I hope he's lying or doesn't know what he's talking about. Can anyone verify these are the Santa Rosa chips by pointing me to something other than MacRumors or similar sites?
    • totorototoro, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2abandonedhero,
      thats odd. The specs on Apple's site, including the new support for 4G, not just 3G of memory, 802.11N, and the bus speeds definitely point to a different motherboard than the previous generation.
    • almalax19, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2800mhz FSB means that its Santa Rosa. The tech support guy doesnt know what he is talking about.
    • abandonedhero, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Thanks for the info. I figured he was mistaken or just hadn't been briefed, but wanted to be sure before I purchased mine so I didn't end up like the whiners who didn't pay attention to what they're getting.
  • nycmac247, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4
    http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/09/nvidias-dx10-capable-8m-laptop-gpus-get-official/

    "world's first mobile GPU to support... fully accelerate decoding of H.264 full HD movies,"
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