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- chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -13/+71I live in New Jersey.....
....AND!!!!!....
...completely agree with that statement. - EternalDarkWing, on 10/12/2007, -21/+65Well, New Jersey sucks to begin with.
- tzmguitarist, on 10/12/2007, -3/+32If the iTunes store doesn't legally operate in New Jersey then can you really charge sales tax over state lines?
I thought this was illegal... - Manhigh, on 10/12/2007, -8/+34Oregon would be better if I could pump my own gas there like an adult.
Come to think of it, isn't that the same as New Jersey? Two strikes against them. - mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21Wow.. I didn't know I could download an armored car from iTunes..
- RichPowers, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22the idiot politicians always resort to another tax instead of, I dunno, aggressively CUTTING SPENDING.
- halleyscomet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20@qwickone
At the dawn of the Internet, there was a ban on Internet sales taxes. A lot of people are chafing at the erosion of this ban, as it once provided a means for purchasing items without paying sales tax. While sales tax on a $19.00 DVD isn't much, it adds up over time and can be a painful hit when it comes to more expensive like consumer electronics.
The second question is, who gets to collect the sales tax?
Some states claim that they should get the sales tax just because the wires run through their state.
Should a state get the sales tax if the servers providing the shopping cart are in their state, or should the state where the selling company is located get the tax? What if someone with a home address in Nevada buys something that's shipped to Alaska? Should the buyer pay sales tax to both states?
While most of these issues are addressed by existing mail order tax arrangements, a lot of jackasses want to reinvent the wheel to get a slice of a pie that precedence doesn't permit.
Mostly though, it's people grousing about the cost of paying taxes when they didn't need to before. - dongiaconia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18Yea, but the DRM on it totally sucks ass... You can only stop bullets from 5 guns at a time.
- gamer82987, on 10/12/2007, -11/+28this is utterly horrible.
so now, not only have i lost my right to "own" my music that i am now renting. so... i get DRMed up the wazoo because i only have a license. and now i am getting taxed on something i don't even OWN!!!
no wonder everyone hates new jersey. I'm glad i live in a sales tax free oregon. - treed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I can complain all I want. I don't live in France for a reason. (Actually, several, but that's beyond the scope of this comment.)
- pureliquidhw, on 10/12/2007, -1/+97% tax = .07 per DL.
1,000,000 downloads per year(guess) x $.07 = $70,000
that's gonna help. - heysuburbia, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12I'm pretty sure no one in NJ thinks they are a New Yorker, but if you live in Jersey City or Hoboken (couple hundred yards from Manhattan) you tend to be in the city a little more than say somebody 400 miles away in Buffalo, NY.
You're also closer than most of the other boroughs. It's just state lines, millions of people in NJ are closer to NYC than New Yorkers (New York State) - heysuburbia, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15I ask you Jersey bashers to name a better state. I live in Philly, but grew up in North West NJ and it was a great place to grow up and live.
The Pros: mountains, forests, tons of lakes, miles of ocean, boardwalks, casinos, quick access to two of the biggest cities in the US (Philly/NYC), skiing/snowboarding, amazing pizza, great colleges, etc.
The cons: smell? (I smell this smell sometimes while on Rt. 1/9, that's about it), Camden, Newark, traffic, and cost of living (very high) - radu79, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@tzmguitarist
Yes, I think it is illegal as well, the states are not allowed to interfere with inter state trade. That's why there is no sales tax if you buy from another state. However, the law makers are creative, and they charge an "use tax" which is equal with the state tax. So in theory, you pay a tax for having the 'privilege' to use some item in the state you live in. - ikonoclasm, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12I live in New Jersey. I couldn't care less. What tool actually buys music?
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -16/+20New Jersey is a dirty tramp.
- ptaylor, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Hey! I live in Jersey and it does have its bad things (traffic, housing costs, traffic, dense population, traffic, and "corridor" between Philly and the City. Oh, and traffic). I like New Jersey because once you get away from the Newark and Camden areas (if you can get through the traffic) and past the industries along the northern Turnpike, Jersey is like any other state in terms of open recreational land, except that we have a lot of shopping centers, cheaper gas and miles of shore line.
A double edge sword in Jersey is the high property taxes that support the very competitive schools. We have some of the best schools in the nation which is costing the residents and the state dearly (since, for whatever reason, municipalities cannot gain revenue from any other source except property taxes, thus high housing costs). Governor Corzine, a former manager with Goldman Sachs, is trying to balance the budget by raising the state tax (which pissed a lot of us off) and cutting state school budgets (which pissed a lot of students and parents off). He's also trying to give incentives for the municipalities to consolidate school districts (some districts has less than 700 kids total) and have them find other means of gaining revenue outside of property tax. Another thing that he is pressing for is trying to keep businesses in Jersey and develop new ones, mainly in the technology field.
Philly and New york news don't really cover these issues because they have more than enough to cover in 30-60 minutes on the evening news. All the negatives that people see of Jersey is because the "gateway" to New Jersey (mainly the Newark, Jersey City, Elizabeth area) has industry that causes the "Jersey Smell" and there really isn't much to do in this area (Northeastern NJ) to counter these negative aspects. The City has the all-night clubs, Central Park, the Theater District, Harlem, Times Square, Fortune 500 company corporate headquarters, Madison Ave, Rockefeller Center, and on, and on, and on. It is pretty hard for New Jersey to compete. For the most part, the people that work at these NYC destinations lives in NJ. - mesostinky, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Trying to explain to morons on the Internet that Jersey is a decent place to live is losing proposition. Don't bother.
- astrotrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3
Nothing like waiting at a crowded gas station for the single attendant to pump your
gas. Then once done, wait for him to come over to remove the pump.
The worst scenarios when your getting gas at 02:00 am, and they have either fell
asleep while waiting for your gas to pump, or they have to bundle up due to it being
to cold outside.
Went to a gas station once, had to wait 5 minutes for the attendant to come out because he bundled up... then after setting the pump he went back inside, unbundled himself, and had to re-bundle himself (another five minutes) to come out to remove the pump from the car.
Yeah, NJ might have lower gas.... but its more of a pain in the arse to get it. - BleedingHollow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+326 years in NJ and it seems to just get worse. I still can't afford a house here. Just a few more years when my wife is done with school, and were out of here. Tax alarm systems when crime rate is high gg...that should really help out poorer people when they can't afford to lose there stuff. =[
- frozendice, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4This is going to really make it inticing to legaly purchace music. The prices are only so so now, with another almost 10% tax it's going to be a few EXTRA dollars to buy a cd online than in the store. And when you have lazy people who only want to download, what do you think the alternative will be? Hmm? Piracy. Good going New Jersey.
- shertzerj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Deflected Rounds Management, eh?
- Buddhist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3***** Corzine.
- Character0, on 10/12/2007, -11/+14There are a lot of Jersey haters out there but I bet most of you have never been there, think Newark is what the rest of Jersey is like, and think your so cool hopping on the short bus with everyone else because you probably come from a state with a worse school system. Yes, New York city is better, but guess what? New Jersey is the state closest to the best city in the world and a good number of those people who live in New York commute from Jersey. So step off.
- Klisk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I live in Paterson, NJ.
I honestly can't think of a worse place to live. On par with Newark and Camden, and even going outside of this ***** it's just a mass of premium prices and middle-class richies.
Here's the rules of NJ:
You have to be rich to be poor. You pay a PREMIUM to live SUBPAR.
Most the people who enjoy NJ lifestyle are also the people with a decent house, and a decent paycheck. The rich people. They don't consider themselves rich because they're "only middle class." But ***** off. That is rich here!
The system is also designed to not allow you out. You can't afford to move out, because they charge you to leave. NJ is a cocoon, a trap, and anyone who says otherwised is simply blinded by their privelidged lifestyle. - astrotrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2
Yes, Jersey is chocked full of jughandle turns... If you want to turn left, you go for the
jughandle.... its a pain in the arse to go the opposite direction to make a left handed turn. - heysuburbia, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6@JQP123
My relatives and my close friends still live there, I came to school here and ended up buying a house. To be honest I've always thought of NYC and Philly as part of NJ, they're more a part of Jersey than New York State or Pennsylvania (as far as their locations). I guess I think of the whole tri-state area as my home.
I wouldn't consider Albany, NY or Pittsburgh, PA my home. - StephenCIreland, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2register your iTunes account in a different state maybee ? but that sucks so much, why dont they just go the full way to an iPod Tax ?
- codyman, on 10/12/2007, -9/+11Jersey sucks.. who goes there anyways....
haha what I do with all the itunes gift cards I get for christmas and whatnot is regift them because I dont' want 128k aac files that are drm'ed... i prefer CD's thank you very much... - fusionFactor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You mean this isn't common? I've been buying songs on iTunes and sutff online for a long time, now. I live in Texas and have always been charged a sales tax. I just thought it was common everywhere else. Oh well, serves them right for getting away with it for this long!
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Actually they do cut spending.. just in the wrong places.
- timdietrich, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I hadn't actually bought anything from the iTunes Store until recently and was surpirsed not to get charged for Federal and Provincial Sales Tax (I'm in Canada) on my purchase.
- waynesun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3New Jersey really does suck.
Atlantic City? You'll see senior citizens on their weekend trips day and night, the whole city smells of smoke, and the beaches are dirty as hell.
I live in Central New Jersey, all there is to do is go 'mall shopping' or watch movies. There are very few, if any, good beaches here. But there are some A-grade women over here.
Ah, the women.
Back on topic, damn, iTunes purchases? There's no way to escape big brother these days. - endlessrayne, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2you forgot to stop at WaWa.
- Klisk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3No, it's too 'dangerous'.
- SilentSpyder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2We live in a Urban Enterprise Zone so we only pay about half sales tax.
- copelanda, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Government corruption run rampant leads to 4.5b in debt. Former Governor McGreevey bowed out not because he thought a gay man couldn't lead a state, but because he was about to get caught for pocketing money from contractors.
- geekworking, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3A far larger impact on the internet marketplace is that they have expanded tax on to S&H charges as well as the merchandise. We are located in NJ and we had to update all of our online store rules to add tax to the S&H as well as the product.
From what I know, if the company has a location within a state then the company must collect the tax for the state. If a product/service is purchased from a company without any locations in the state then it is up to the consumer to report these purchases to the state and pay any applicable taxes. Most states put this on the income tax forms.
NJ is not the only state looking to cash in on internet purchases. In the past several months we have gotten letters from the taxation departments from several other states asking us to complete a form to see if we qualify to collect tax for them too.
The 4.5B is the result of 20 years of bad politicians from both parties. Our last two elected Governors had to leave before their term was up. Whitman (rep) left overnight for a Bush appointed job before her mess collapsed on her & the party. McGreevey (dem) didn't have a Democratic president to give him a BS job, so he had to admit to being a ***** to get out. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My gym membership went up by like $3.50/month when the new tax laws kicked in. :(
- sweetnjguy29, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@jersey
They could be selling on the internet through a subsidiary, which is its own legal entity, which does not have a place of business in NJ. Or, more likely, cheating.
I agree with you that living in Jersey feels like you're running in place. I don't own my own home, so I rent a nice place for $~1300...which is only a few thousand more a year than property taxes would be. If I could buy a $200,000 house in a decent area, I would, but everything seems to be at $400k+. Screw that! - Anubis2051, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Don't blame me, I voted for Forester.
- sweetnjguy29, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The lowdown is that if an online retailer has a physical presence in New Jersey, such as business offices or a warehouse, which I am sure that Apple does, it must collect New Jersey sales tax from customers in New Jersey. If Apple didn't have a physical presence in New Jersey, it wouldn't have to collect tax. This seems like a simple principle to me.
Its not like 7 cents for a 1 dollar song is gonna kill people, is it?
As a Jersey-ite, I still think this sucks. Instead of raising taxes, how about getting rid of politicians who have 13 different jobs and only work 40 hours a week total and make 130k + a year? THAT would save some taxes. - jersey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So explain to me why the suit I just ordered ( as in an hour ago) from Banana Republic is shipping to me, in NJ, tax free?
New. Jersey. Sucks.
I really do hate it here. Everyday feels like I'm running uphill with no plateau in sight. - Portwineboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I wasn't even sure if I had been charged sales tax on my iTunes purchases so I went and looked as far back as my gmail records go, May 05 - Sept 06 and I've never had to pay tax. (I live in Jersey).
It used to be that you only paid tax from an internet retailer if they had a physical location in your state, even if it was a warehouse and not a store.
If I drive to Delaware and pick up a washing machine, NJ expects me to be a good doobie and note that purchase on my state income tax return and pay tax on it.
I expect this is only the beginning as more and more states seek to fill budget deficits. - hifiDesign, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ArcusOfSV: It was meant to be lighthearted... chilllllllllll. Plus, there are like 50 of them just going into Wildwood alone. I love me some South Jersey, so don't hate!
- SomeBlackGuy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wow a NJ drivers suck joke. How original. Crappy drivers exist everywhere.
- mxman420, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1***** YOU ***** N.V.T.S.! STAY THE ***** AWAY!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@jersey, it's likely that Banana Republic is factoring the sales tax into their item price. I know there are even some RETAIL stores here that don't charge sales tax, but that doesn't really mean anything. Abercrombie definitely doesn't charge tax, although I don't remember if Banana does.
- SilentSpyder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I believe you own iTunes music, it's the other services that you rent.
- sincewednesday, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@jersey
It's simpler than any of the (incorrect) explanations given above. Apparel is non taxable in New Jersey. Online retailers only collect sales tax on taxable items. Hence, Banana correctly does not collect tax on clothing shipped to New Jersey.
Incidentally, someone above said that shipping & handling is taxable in New Jersey now. That's not strictly speaking true -- shipping & handling is taxable only if it applies to the purchase of a taxable item. Shipping & handling is non taxable when the item purchased is non-taxable (e.g., clothing). -
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