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- DIGGerPhelpsND, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24Wow, OpenOffice is running natively on an Intel Mac before MS Office.
Good job guys! - TheDrunkMonkey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20"Neo" means "new" you idiot.
- indiefan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Happy to hear it's not a full Java port after all.
- bannus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13I love NeoOffice, especially now that it's not ugly like it was before 2.0. Before that though...
- dhansen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Isn't OpenOffice porting the code themselves for Mac OS X without the need of X11?
- GodsHand, on 10/12/2007, -14/+22Just an ugly ugly app. I know it's just an office app, but come on. Let's try something other than Office 95 with the interface.
- dizzydigg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I downloaded and tested this beta out and I wish I could use this but I'm just not ready for it yet and I wish I was because I appreciate what these guys are trying to do.
My major gripe?...it takes about 5x longer (or more) to load than a ms office 2004 app. It might not seem like a big deal but it really is....that's a real world issue for me as someone that might have a colleague over the shoulder as they wait for this program to open....We like things fast food quick in today's world....Still I look forward to testing future releases to hopefully ditch MS office...
Just because I don't know....why are all the Neooffice apps in one huge long-loading app instead of seperate ones?
I just tested the time - about 4 seconds for MS word to open on my powerbook g4 and about 33 seconds for neooffice to load..... - popezaphod, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9dizzudig:
4 seconds * $100 vs. 33 seconds * $0
I'll wait a little longer for free, thanks. :) - mateo60, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6For those of you Apple users that just want a good text editor, the one built into OSX is pretty damn good itself. (seriously, i'm not joking) :)
- mezoko, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Someone needs to do this for gtk or qt. Before y'all mod me down the file manager for Ooo sucks and usually doesn't pick up on the current gtx theme.
- wastern, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5yes.
The Open Office people themselves though are working on moving OO.o to a native app, once that happens i'm sure NeoOffice will die a quick death - MySchizoBuddy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5thats simply not true. Noeoffice did offer them the code. they refused to take it.
Its on their forum search for it.
now stop spreading FUD - Brahma, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Pardon me for being silly. But seriously how does this thing work? I mean controlling the front page. I have seen so many lame topics coming to the front page and so many good ones relegated to obscurity.
- bbatsell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Yes, but not for awhile. The current screenshots of the Mac version of OOo look like it's even a little worse than the first version of NeoOffice was. NeoOffice 2 is definitely very, very usable.
- elroy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Yeah, this stigma has been really stupid for a number of reasons. All they use Java for is as a native widget binding method (Cocoa supports Objective-C and Java, natively). The actual widgets run native on OS X, so there's not a whole lot of JVM involved.
However that's a moot point because this isn't 1996, and despite the opinion of the very vocal mouth-breathers, Java's fast enough for a lot of business applications. We're not talking about real-time video effects, we're talking about buttons, menus, toolbars, etc -- on our multiple-core, multiple-gigahertz systems with gigs of RAM.
Let's all stop the "NeoOffice sucks because it uses Java" as well as the "Java is slow", because it makes you look ignorant. - Cannon13, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Ok, basically a group of about 20-30 guys, including Hemphil81, aaaz, digitalgopher, etc all have each other as friends. When one submits a story, the other ones automatically digg it, without having to look at all the upcoming stories. If you look at who dugg this, it's the same core group of people. That's why ~50% of the stories on the frontpage are submitted by them.
- elroy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Because it's intel native, crashes less, and although the interface is ugly -- it's a lot more intuitive than MS office for mac.
- elroy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Did you ever think maybe the OO.org people denied their help? Sometimes project leaders reject help (in particular, that which results in change) from others because it's not in line with their vision. In this case, OO.org has a Cocoa port in the works, but that's much more complex and time consuming than grafting OO.org onto OS X's Java UI hooks. It's possible the NeoOffice guys just wanted the quickest road to running OO.org outside of X11, and the only way to accomplish that is to fork the code.
That said, it's still an open source project and I'm sure much of their code will be useful to the OO.org mac team (if they're still actively working on the cocoa port). - stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I don't leave apps running when I'm not using 'em... just my style, that's all... The only apps that are up all the time pretty much are ichat, safari, mail, itunes. The rest come and go...
- skidooer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Even 2.0 used the OO.o dialogs, which were annoying to use, to say the least. Luckily the latest Auqa release fixes up that problem and uses the Mac native dialogs where applicable.
- ka2err, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3> that's a real world issue for me as someone that might have a
> colleague over the shoulder as they wait for this program to open....
Well, if showing off application-start up times is a significant part of your job, then I guess NeoOffice isn't for you, yet.
I use NeoOffice and Pages for daily work and feel fine.
But on the other hand my job doesn't require application start up shootouts and I have a fast machine. - thescreensavers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It still seems slow to startup on my intel iMac. But that's probably because I've been using textedit for a while now. But finally an office app so my parents can stop complaining to me about it!
- bloodborne, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This is one of my favorite apps I have found in my transition to a Macbook from Windows XP. I love OpenOffice.org on the PC, but I hate how you need to use a non-native interface in OS X (X11). NeoOffice is the answer to my prayers. I hope the devs keep up the great work on the software.
- Hungryhaney, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I know many people that are fine with the new inteface. It's what they are used to. And themeing OOo will happen, someday.
- elroy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2...and how many times do you need to start it up? I do it once and don't quit until I reboot.
- dagaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is actually quite old news, it came out of the 'early release' program on 29th August. I have been following the development of both NeoOffice and X11 version of OOo for some time as I would love to be able to replace Microsoft Office, but they're still not there. Its much slower to load up on my 2GHz MacBook with a Gig of RAM than Office 2004 running under Rosetta. Also it still looks like an aquafied linux program rather than a native OSX one.
- pairanoyd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Badass! I've just recently become a Mac user/fan in addition to being a long time Linux user. I already know OO so this will shorten the Mac learning curve.
I'm downloading it now, I know that I will be making use of it.
Thanks to everyone that made it happen! - krazygluon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2when I got my mbp in march, I wasn't too happy with the software selection.
I'm overjoyed however to see Gimp, Inkscape, OOo and NeoOffice making universal binaries available well before their proprietary competitors.
I've been using Neo for a few days...Much nicer than the osx port of OOo
now if only someone would rewire gimp and inkscape to run without x11 like Neo.
X11's not all bad, it just likes to eat a lot of my memory. - gmillerd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Someone needs to port your favorite toolkits to another toolkit and rewrite your app's display, because openoffice doesn't support your themes from one of your toolkits?
- titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Does OO.o have a notebook view like in office 04 for OS X? That's the be all desicion for me.
- elroy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3They're doing a full-blown native interface (Cocoa/Obj-C, I believe). NeoOffice just wraps the existing OO.org onto the native OS X interface using Cocoa's Java interfaces. It takes less work, so they had a usable version like 1.5 years ago, whereas the OO.org team is still working on theirs.
- neondiet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2
Are you sure you got the intel version? I've just installed the Intel Beta3 plus the Beta3-1 patch on my MBP. The very first time it runs it takes a little while (probably writing out settings files and such) but after that it takes about 6 seconds to start and display a Writer page from a cold start, and about 2 seconds to display a new page if its already running in the Dock. I wouldn't call that slow.
- regeya, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@mateo60:
"For those of you Apple users that just want a good text editor, the one built into OSX is pretty damn good itself. (seriously, i'm not joking) :)"
I'm sure you're not, and for some things it's great, but it relies on too much magic. Sometimes it'd be nice to, for example, edit HTML code rather than converting it to RTF.
There are other text editors that ship with OS X that unfortunately only come in the Terminal-friendly variety, such as Emacs and VI. Both Emacs and Vim have Aqua ports available, however.
For those who just want a *text* editor, not a text-editor-plus-rudimentary-RTF-editor, TextWrangler is nice and free (as in "free beer".). Smultron is even more geeked out than TW, and free as in beer and as in freedom. - val1984, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The OOo native port will use Carbon and not Cocoa.
And using Java was tried after trying Carbon and Cocoa with NeoOffice/C, digg further. - Brahma, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4So..Digg is basically rigged.
- macrat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Unfortunaltely the OOo X11 people proclaimed an Aqua port in 2005. So far it is nothing but vaporware and engineering demos.
- JimMacFly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sooo ? The subject is interresting, and apart from a small group making it a personnal vendetta, no one cares about who posts the story. Seriously if an article isn't worth the home page for you ... just don'"t read it. And if an article is worth the home page and is submitted by someone you doesn't like, well ... don't read it.
- ThirdPrize, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have used this beta for a coule of days and it seems ok so far. However it does hilight the interface differences between Win apps and Mac Apps. NeoOffice has more icons on its toolbar than the rest of OSX put together.
- engele, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I am surprised by the slowness comments because on my system (imac core duo) I have found that Neo-Office is snappier than ms office under Rosetta. MSoffice slows my whole machine if I run it with anything else. This sucks because I leave mail and ical open all the time. That thrown in with my Retrospect server (anyone have an alternative for multiple machines? please?) and I can't do anything. Neo Office is much better than I expected and I have slowed and even stopped using MSoffice most of the time. Why is it different for me? Anyhow I am glad that they have done it. I can't wait to see it mature. As far as interface, I am not a fan of the MS Office interface anyway.
- pucky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm so confused......
http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=15712
says that openoffice is revealing the new port this month.... - titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I see no "Digg It" button on there
- pixeldust, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't want to knock NeoOffice too much because I think open source stuff is great, but I can't stand it. It takes longer to load on my macbook than my copy of MS Office running under rosetta does, I get some formatting glitches every now and then, and isn't nearly as polished as MS Office. I would however resort of NeoOffice over MS Office if I didn't get MS Office for $5 here on campus. Like I said though for being open source I think it's great, and I hope to see it improve in the future.
- dickyducky, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1its not native, jus a port of the ugly linux version..
- regeya, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Aw, c'mon. I'm probably wrong about this, but I think StarOffice actually predated GTK+, and it was designed to be cross-platform. Still is. I seriously doubt that porting to GTK+ would be a step *forward*. Qt, maybe, but that'd make the GNOME whiners get their undies all in a bunch. Sure, it's a commercial product; what's the beef? GNOME *caters* to commercial vendors. Blah, blah, blah. OK! Enough on that rant; all I'll say in conclusion is "you're wrong!"
- PeterMinAU, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ignore that story: it's a misunderstanding. The "mac os port of OpenOffice.org" is still a long way from existence. The porting team's timeline suggests a year away. In the meantime, NeoOffice 2.0 is "a" port of the OpenOffice.org code to Aqua, running natively, right now. Unfortunately, there is a lot of misinformation about the place, because there are two teams working on ports, and difficult relations between them. Ignore discussion about "forks" and "ports" - in short, if you are looking for a port of OpenOffice.org to the mac, which runs natively, like any other mac program, it exists as NeoOffice 2.0.
- macrat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0NeoOffice is based on the Linux OOo port. It has nothing to do with the Mac OOo port.
The Mac OOo porters are pissed because they can't steal the NeoOffice code. - Sabi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0MS Office 2004 is the worst text editor out there for Mac OS X, especially the intel users (which happens to be me now). It crashes and has bugs that don't seem to get fixed in updates. The only good thing is the Notebook Style to take notes in class or lectures etc... BUt ther are alternatives for the Notebook thing like Circus Ponies' Notebook. NeoOffice loads pretty fast for me it takes around 9 bounces to load, whereas Office took less maybe 3-4. However when i wanted to open a presentation of neooffice after opening the program it took a second, whereas on MS Office i'd have to click on Powerpoint and wait another 3-4 bounces, same with spreadsheets on NeoOffice vs. Excel. For what its worth (nothing) NeoOffice is much better than MSOffice, and it doesn't support Microsoft!
- catmistake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Is there a replacement for the M$ mail client/calendar/exhange server connectability in OpenOffice/NewOffice?? Anyone have ideas for replacing Entourage, free or not?
- pjco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0NeoOffice 2 is part of MacLibre distribution : http://digg.com/apple/MacLibre_2_22_Open_Source_Mac_Applications_in_a_few_clicks
- rusackas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@regeya
TextEdit can actually edit HTML... it's just not very plain to see. In the preferences, there's a section for "Rich Text Processing." [Check] the box that says "Ignore rich text commands in HTML files." Enjoy :)
Anyone else still miss Simpletext? -
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