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- ChromaVita, on 01/22/2008, -6/+48What happened to the 'countless' fixes the last story promised? I can definitely count to 100...
- rebotfc, on 01/22/2008, -23/+52Leopard wasn't that buggy at launch, most of the issues are quite minor.
- Auzy, on 01/22/2008, -9/+31Oh really, Not leopard server. I set one up for our business, and Nothing on it worked. File sharing would rarely authenticate, Caldav wouldn't work because it wouldn't allow users to have a calender, the software update server like many ppl's messed up and kept redownloading data (in our case, 300GB in 1 month).
And hey do you know how Apple pretends they use their own hardware because it improves testing. Well, Apple USB modem on Xserve for faxes... Kernel panics every 3hours.
So yaeh, I agree client was actually fine (I set it up on dozens of client machines). But 10.5.1 was useless for server, and as such, Leopard server is still totally unusable. And to be brutally honest, I found the original public beta of windows Vista better (and every beta Linux Server distro I have tried, at least stuff has worked).
All Apple has proven, is that they dont care about servers, and we were going to set one up for a major customer of ours, lucky we set it up on our server, because, we would have been sued bigtime.
And yeah, I have got a Mac OSX server essentials for 10.4, so I doubt its my setup.
Never setting up an Apple server again. Funnily enough, we had to switch another client to windows server, because Apple server had too many issues on their network.
Ahh, its a good thing Steve Jobs is there is set up a smokescreen for leopard server. - Vtorch, on 01/22/2008, -12/+28This is not freaking acceptable by Apple. Unlike Windows, Mac OS X is installed and operated on ONLY 4 types of Macs: iMac, Power Mac, Macbook and Macbook Pro. People buy Macs because of that CLOSED SYSTEM. Everything should work.
How many different configurations are their with Apple computers? 10? Whereas with Microsoft Windows there are hundreds? At least Microsoft has an excuse. They can't help what Dell, HP, Sony, etc..... configure their computers. Apple has no excuses. Absolutely NONE. - joshpar, on 01/22/2008, -6/+21he won't. it's free. stop trolling.
- insomniacal, on 01/22/2008, -7/+21"its most significant 'dot release' of Mac OS X ever"
Isn't that what was said about the latest update? - Zippo, on 01/22/2008, -4/+18That is a pretty hefty patch.
- da_bradler, on 01/22/2008, -3/+14if the issues were quite minor why is this a story?
You can't have it both ways, you can't be impressed with apple for offering so many fixes and impressed with apple for requiring so few fixes. - turleh, on 01/22/2008, -3/+14Why do microsoft release patches, why does every software developer in the world release patches? To fix bugs, improve performance and stability.
- benjony, on 01/22/2008, -2/+12I've been using OSX since version 10.0. This is nothing new they always release updates.
Did they ever address the wireless card signal dying off? - mrsteve007, on 01/22/2008, -3/+13Wow, what a load of *****. So having your wireless card disconnect every 60 seconds is minor? Or the inability to shut off the computer? Regular lockups? That's what I've seen directly. How about the potential massive data loss when moving data between networked drives? Yeah, a bunch of 'minor' issues there.
- Altotus, on 01/22/2008, -0/+9Time Capsule is guaranteed to work with Time Machine. Just about any NAS that supports AFP will work too, and you can coax NAS that support NFS too as well, but there's some futzing about and some NAS units have all sorts of problems (Iomega, are you listening?) that make them buggy to the point you ought never rely on them.
Time capsule gives you a terabyte of wireless storage and a wireless router for $500 that's guaranteed to work with Time Machine and is set up to go out of the box. It's big selling point is convenience for those with Macs (incidentally, you can use it with non-Macs too, obviously). It's not that bad a value, but it's not RAID. - Auzy, on 01/22/2008, -0/+9Actually, forums are full of people, haven't found a client yet who hasn't had issues, except those who just use it as an apache server..
Believe me, Apple pushes Open directory in a big way, and yet most people are having some issues related to it. Its been ages since launch, and this still is not fixed.
And tested broadly? Theres only 4 or 5 gens of Xserves to really test it on (it only runs on G4, G5 and Intel Xserves).. Apple has no excuse for this.
So its not a matter of testing broadly, its a matter of steve saying that Leopard client was ready, and they would profit the most by releasing both immediately (remember, steve sold 5 million copies of leopard client, why should he care if server isn't ready at the time?). - inactive, on 01/22/2008, -12/+19Why don't you get off that BS. Updates and Upgrades are entirely different. Updates fix bugs and security issues and you might remember that the Touch had quite a few of those for free (1.1.1, 1.1.2, 1.1.3). Upgrades, on the other hand, come with totally new features. And Apple isn't the first company to charge for them.
- inactive, on 01/22/2008, -15/+22Mac has FLAWS ? OMG WTF SRSLY NO WAI...
- smoger, on 01/22/2008, -3/+10minor, like the fact that i can't stay connected to a wireless network for more than 2 minutes if i'm running off the battery of my macbook. right. minor.
- grapetonic, on 01/22/2008, -2/+9Hope they've improved Spaces. As a former Linux user, Spaces is the most illogical virtual desktop I have ever used.
- pauliephonic, on 01/22/2008, -1/+8I love how people almost refuse to believe that Apple could do something wrong.
- truspect0r, on 01/22/2008, -24/+31This is their service pack.
I'm going to sue apple for claiming "It Just Works". Tons of things don't work. - benjony, on 01/22/2008, -2/+9Why is this post full of echos?
I know Apple has a lot of fanboys but everyone saying the same thing about how it should be perfect sounds just like a fanboy.
Reminds me of grade school, he did it, no he did it. WTF lets try to add some kind of intelligence to out post. - pyokopon, on 01/22/2008, -0/+7The most significant release was certainly the time they removed pinstripes.
- VanillaIcee, on 01/22/2008, -11/+18you're right. how dare a company fix mistakes they obviously didn't intend. it's so irresponsible.
get a life. - joe90210, on 01/22/2008, -15/+21not reall surprising, leopard has had an unbelievable amount of fixes released for it, it's pretty obvious to anyone who used it that it was released way way too early, the thing is buggy as hell
- leftyourmark, on 01/22/2008, -11/+17to make improvements dumbass
- maskedm564, on 01/22/2008, -16/+22Why do you need to fix anything? Mac's just work, remember?
- gravyboy, on 01/22/2008, -9/+15Um...
Well, I switched from using Ubuntu(with XP running in Virtual Machine[because I'm awesome]) to Leopard.
Now, the first thing I did was install VMware and XP, because I thought to myself, "Self, there is no way that Leopard is going to have EVERYTHING that XP has and more" But I was wrong. Leopard is faster, prettier, and more stable than XP.
I've been using it for about 4 months, and it's pretty much the longest I've gone without using some incarnation of Windows on my laptop.
Vista lasted a week.
Remember, you have to compare Leopard to Vista. Also - there have been several updates to Leopard since I installed - various bug fixes and whatnot. So it's not like this is the first Leopard update.
Secondly, compare
Leopard's release date: October 07
Leopard "Service Pack 1" : February 08
Fixes: ~100
Vista Release date: Jan 07
Vista SP 1: Q1 08
Fixes: >300
(http://www.informationweek.com/industries/showArti ...
Case closed. Vista loses. - MacParrot, on 01/22/2008, -3/+9It also runs on every Mac with at least an 867MHz G4. That's almost every Mac since 2001. But please continue...
- 5wallace, on 01/22/2008, -2/+80 problems for me since day 1.
- execute85, on 01/22/2008, -0/+6Not really. There are very few production leopard servers. Every non-apple owned and operated leopard server in the world could stop working and most people wouldn't notice their absence.
- h3lx, on 01/22/2008, -1/+7
$ defaults write com.apple.dock no-glass -boolean YES (kills the annoying 3-d dock)
$ defaults write com.apple.dock no-glass -boolean NO (resurrects it)
System, Librairy, Core Services, Dock-Show Content, Resources, scroll down to the dock's 3d bar elements (in the Ss) and move them to an inactive folder.
All in all, it takes about 26 seconds to fix. No installations necessary. - JimSwarthow, on 01/22/2008, -1/+6Microsoft, while not perfect in any way shape or form, are tasked w/ pleasing the ~94% in the world that use there products and expect every piece of hardware in the world to be compatible. Apple on the other hand enjoys a user base perfectly willing to jump through hopes (purchase multiple OS's and purchase updates for the same OS's). to each his own but I'm not willing to do it. I like Apple stuff; no one even comes close to them in terms of design aesthetic. but c'mon, I gotts purchase the fixes for the OS I just bought?? are they kidding me?? how many OS's and updates has Apple released in the time period XP has been around? and why is that? b/c Apple is superior? no, Apple is more attractive and if attractiveness (versus usefulness & scalability) is what you're looking for then Apple's your man. meanwhile the other 94% of use have work to do and bills to pay.
- designet, on 01/22/2008, -0/+5why is it trolling...ffs, if someone said " typical M$ " you wouldnt bat an eyelid.
this IS *****, from a company that makes its entire fan base from apparently NOT doing this. - svenjick, on 01/22/2008, -3/+8Bollox! Leopard was alright for the average consumer, but is plagued with bugs for any slightly advanced usage. (Plus the interface is ***** up compared to Tiger). Mail & Safari are seriously unstable, several applications have freezing issues, certain sync processes get stuck after several hours of usage without restarting the machine, MS Office 04 was unusable withouth manual preference reset, etc. It's maybe time a few people spoke up and said a few critical things about Leopard.
- timusca, on 01/22/2008, -4/+9Yes, you know its possible to out-do yourself...
- Tippis, on 01/22/2008, -0/+5You mean 2007, I assume, since 2008 most certainly does *not* work under XP... ;)
- mrbutter, on 01/22/2008, -0/+5except he's right.
- inactive, on 01/22/2008, -3/+8You utter *****. Releasing patches and fixes is good. It means the software constantly improves and remains secure.
- ilgaz, on 01/22/2008, -2/+7By Apple crowd you mean Digg apple section commenting, burying etc. people? They are 1% of entire Apple profile. Silent majority matters and it should matter to Apple too.
- LilyFoxglove, on 01/22/2008, -2/+7Vista works for you, Leopard works for me, yet here we both are in a sea of people eager to bitch.
- WinGeek, on 10/15/2008, -1/+6Maybe the 100 FIXES does?
- InvaderDem, on 01/22/2008, -0/+4That's a lot of fixes for an operating system that says it's the best ever ... or at least better than everyone else.
- omgsideburns, on 01/22/2008, -1/+5It's in the Air.
- elvenseven, on 01/22/2008, -5/+9What flaw by DESIGN are you talking about?
- mrsteve007, on 01/22/2008, -1/+5All the more reason I'm excited for February's launch of MS Server 2008 - if it's anything like Server 2003's stability for my company (14 servers - 100% uptime over 3 years now) plus with all the improvements, I'll replace the whole lot. Apple's lack of attention to their server group is nearly criminal.
- truspect0r, on 01/22/2008, -4/+8What flaw? I'm on Vista, everything works for me except the old bluetooth driver.
- DesertSquirrel, on 01/22/2008, -1/+5We can only hope. My wish list include Front Row not blacking out on me and my computer actually booting up when I open the lid.
- caseycoold, on 01/22/2008, -0/+4That made be the stupidest ***** I've heard all week.
Right along with (and I really got this on a phone call with some stupid invetor-database company) "It's not a bug. We call it a 'feature' that was fix, well, removed, in the last update. - clubby, on 01/22/2008, -1/+5Patching bugs is unacceptable now? When and how did that happen?
- MrPhultz, on 01/22/2008, -1/+5Thank you for providing the only comment with content in this thread.
- noahhoward, on 01/22/2008, -3/+7It did not launch with those features. If you wanted them that badly you should not buy the product end of story. Do not bitch and act like there is some sort of conspiracy to fleece you when you apparently felt the product was good enough to start with.
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