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- uptown, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Current ***** List:
Sony
NBC
Who's next? Step right up. - deesnutz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Let them sue and win. All it will do is have users come up with far superior options. These corporations who think that they can sue their way to profits in the end will lose.
Did closing Grokster stop file sharing? No. People have found other and better options.
The only thing that they are accomplishing is pissing off their user base. It's bad enough that their viewer numbers are dying. So now, I guess they want to further erode their base altogether.
These corporations are seeing the writing on the wall. Users are getting tired of the horse crap. Open source is growing. Internet is spreading content like wild fire. Hardware is getting cheaper by the minute. These "old school" corporations will not succeed if they do not go with the flow. Google gets it, while Microsoft does not. The tides of change are upon us. It's all about the user. Piss off the user and your business will die. Sony is getting a whiff of this right now. THE USER IS KING! SO DON'T PISS US OFF! - wilf_brim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Perfect. First Sony, now NBC are showing us, conclusively, that these guys just don't get it. The content creators do NOT have exclusive rights as to how their content can be used. See the Betamax decision. Cory Doctorow is right. Calling your customers criminals and suing them is not a successful business strategy.
- jermm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Who whats NBC? All the good stuff is on fox (family guy, American dad, Simpsons)
- locojones, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The NBC exec was quoted as saying: "TiVo appears to be acting unilaterally, disregarding established rights of content owners to participate in decisions regarding the distribution and exploitation of their content."
First, TiVO doesn't distribute content, it merely allows private individuals to time and spaceshift content.
Second, the established rights of the content owners is only one side of the coin. What TiVO is doing, by contrast, is respecting the "established rights," the fair use rights, of the consumer. - Cronos1388, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2>you should have ***** sued VCRs a long time ago.
Actually oddly enough they sued Sony. - cryptic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1you should have ***** sued VCRs a long time ago.
these dudes have no grounds for this *****.
who the ***** has been watching NBC since seinfeld got cancelled? - Rndm_Tngnt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, They'll probably not sue for fear of losing and setting another precedent (see also: Betamax and Walkman). This may, however, put a damper on NBC porting content to ITMS, but who wants to pay 2 bucks for a three year old episode of Will and Grace?
- zbeast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is all about the "ghosting" of TV shows.
At one time I use to have stacks of tapes of seasons of TV shows.
These days people don't record shows they just record them to there tivo and watch them a few
times and let them fade away.
This will bit people in the future when you find that one you don't have a
recording of a given show, two when you find that show is not available on DVD and never will be released. - mekalekahi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1NBC = No Body Cares
Without Seinfeld and John Tesh's NBA on NBC Theme song they have nothing left. - mercano, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"All the good stuff is on fox (family guy, American dad, Simpsons)"
I thought all the good stuff was canceled by Fox (Family Guy, Futurama, Firefly). - cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1True, but NBC is starting on a shaky premise. The iPod and PSP are not
recording TV episodes, they are merely the meduim for playback. And
if NBC is specifically targeting those devices while they've ignored
the other portable media devices that allow playback then they undermine
thier own arguement against it. - Namco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's okay for NBC's shows to bounce off of every surface of my body, reflect off my house, and bounce into every TV in within 50 miles of one of their affiliates, but it's not okay to watch their shows on handheld devices. ***** em. I say if they broadcast it over the airwaves, I have every right to do what I want with it, save resell/retransmit it to the public.
I'm getting pretty goddam sick of the phrase "content owners". Content this a-holes!!! - buckdog05, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What bull *****. I am disliking NBC more every day. The don't make the new Surface episodes available anywhere for sale, yet they send people letters telling them to stop downloading them from Bittorrent. What gives?
- scottso, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Seriously doubtful that this will happen - NBC is an *investor* in TiVo!
"The company recently raised $51.2 million from private investors and existing partners, such as Discovery, NBC and British Sky Broadcasting."
http://news.com.com/TiVo+Bound+to+be+bundled/2100-1040_3-272743.html?tag=st.ref.goo - Nullifidian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Old men in suits with dollar signs for eyes, wanting more money and listening to lawyers that lie.
- stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1NBC Exec 1: "People are so excited about our shows that they want to take them on their portable players when the travel!"
NBC Exec 2: "Let's sue to stop them!"
NBC Exec 1: "Brilliant!" - Aooogah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1>you should have ***** sued VCRs a long time ago.
The networks did actually and lost. I have a feeling that this one would to, especially if Tivo properly encrypts the files so you can't play them once they are moved to the computer. - macslut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1NBC is part of NBC Universal which is 80% owned by GE and 20% Vivendi Universal
- YVRSteve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Once again, these old poops can't shake their olde business models and join the modern age!
If you do not roll with the market, and serve the demand, you will be left behind and perish. - geekologist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"NBC Exec 1: "People are so excited about our shows that they want to take them on their portable players when the travel!"
NBC Exec 2: "Let's sue to stop them!"
NBC Exec 1: "Brilliant!""
That's probably what really happenes. These people are the biggest ass holes ever. - brandonhines, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This will be interesting to watch. Grey area lawsuits always are.
- shiftless, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If they kill Tivo, I'll always be able to build a HTPC. What are these guys? Retarded?
- FunkyChicken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Rock on Tivo! Rock on! What a way to break out the defibrillator. :)
- s2104ok, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0How does the PocketDish fit in to the lawsuit talk, I probably shouldn't open my mouth, as I'd like to have one eventually. I'm paying for the content with my monthly cable/satellite bill. I've also wondered why everyone puts up with commercials on a service I'm paying for, save HBO, Skinemax, and the like.
- skellener, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I agree with you 100% too redbeard36!!
- OswaldKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Does anybody get the feeling that this heavy-handed stance is going to blow up in the entertainment companies' faces?
- Phoenixfury, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0After reading that article, the National Broadcasting Communist doesn't sound so appealing to me anymore.. Actually they have been an after thought in my mind since the days of the A-Team and Knight Rider. :)
- mrkoje, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Doesn't matter if TIVO gets sued or not. NBC will not be able to regulate who watches their programming on a damn Ipod or any other portable device. However, the only thing NBC has going for them is with advertising. I can see how they would get pissed if TIVO takes out NBC advertising and replaces it with their own advertising.
- mephitix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0uh, why doesn't it make sense for them to sue? Also, for the inane comment posted up there, NBC isn't suing the PSP or the iPod; they're suing Tivo.
While it (kind of) does make sense for them to sue, I agree that it is also a sort of moot case. Once you put the TV shows (or mp3s) on your ipod or psp, the individual DRMs take control, and as long as they are fair and protect the rights of artists (or directors), then there should be no problem. Case in point: you can't (easily) copy mp3s from an ipod to a computer. I don't know about the PSP...
There might be some room for legal action if the issue of not consenting is brought up -- i.e. since Tivo conducted this deal without consulting the individual networks. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yes, it is going to blow up in their faces entirely. TiVo is not doing anything wrong. TiVo is essentially just a VCR. If NBC wants to be ***** about it, then what we can expect is to see them say that TiVo cannot be used with their network. And NBC will lose even more viewers than they already have.
- foooey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It just doesn't make sense for them to sue, it's almost certain they'd lose, and generate a lot of ill will from the public.
Especially so soon after everyone got so upset with Sony.
They're probably just pissed because they want people to pay for the priviledge of putting TV shows on their iPod - damonic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hang in there Tivo!!! You need to do something to stay alive. Its good to see you innovating again!
- pmsyyz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think you mean they will sue for Tivo allowing the transfer of shows recorded on Tivos to PSPs and iPods for viewing. Nothing will be recorded on the PSP or iPod.
- molotov, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1There are RUMOURS that they MIGHT. I don't even waste time speculating on BS like this. Post the story when they sue...
- duke_nate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ya, fox hasn't cancelled House or 24 yet.
As to being one step closer to digital fair use laws, its about damn time. - diggjiushiwa, on 03/13/2009, -0/+0New try! DVD to iPod Converter:
http://www.convertdvdtoipod.org/ - yCauseiCan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm getting truly annoyed by rights management taken to extreme. Just because someones coming up with a good idea, other people sue.
I can still record to DVD, strip it, encode it and transfer it.
What about not broadcasting it in the first place? That would prevent anyone copying it!! - wilf_brim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Is there anyway that we can get the FCC to grow a pair? Probably not, as the politicos that control them are owned by the RIAA and MPAA, but we can dream.
The OTA brodcasters are really running all over us. In this area we are having one hell of a time getting decent HD signals. The broadcasters are too cheap to install decent equipment, and at the same time are trying to exhort money from the cable company to carry their HD signal. The cable company is, by law, required to carry their signal and no other from that network. And they refuse to grant any waivers for HD satellite signals from providers (say in NYC) who provide HD signals. So we are screwed. - blubolt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0rumors rumors rumors rumors rumors rumors rumors. as for Fox having all the good stuff, you guys forgot "House". What a GREAT show that is. Hugh Laurie Rocks!!!
- bernardroth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If they do have a lawsuit, it will be a step closer towards digital fair-use laws.
- merm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0In the technological age in which we live there are only two ways of maintaining profitability over the way that media is distributed.
1. Innovate new ways to deliver your media that meet the demands and interests of the changing market. (This is a socially "evolving"/aggressive/progressive approach.)
2. Impose your distribution model on the market using lawsuits. (This is a socially defensive/preservation approach. Seeking to preserve/conserve old models.)
Most companies choose the second option because it's cheaper in the short term.
Interesting to apply this same mentality to politics and religion, these principals are at play everywhere. But that's off topic... - JohnnySoftware, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Well, last week it was rumored NBC was thinking of suing. This week the word came out that NBC was happy with Apple's way of protecting their DRM.
This morning 6 NBC shows appeared for sale in Apple iTunes store: Law & Order, The Office, The Tonight Show with Jay Leno, Late Night with Conan O'Brian, Surface, and Alfred Hitchcock Presents.
The NBC statement and the appearances of these shows seems to contradict NBC being unhappy with Apple.
Sci-Fi, USA, and Disney cable channels have introduced some shows to iTunes too. Hard to say, but it looks like networks are "testing the waters" in some cases. That is what I read into offering a small numbers of series and a mix of new and really old classic shows. - JohnnySoftware, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If this rumor about a new TV-watching Mac is true - http://digg.com/apple/New_Mac_Mini_to_Take_Center_Stage_in_Your_Living_Room , then by the time anything comes of NBC's rumor of a lawsuit comes to possible fruition, the case will already be moot.
Computers have had television-input as an optional peripheral for over a decade. Apple bundling it does not introduce anything new. It will just bring the cost, footprint, and complexity way down.
NBC is being suckered by lawyers saying they can make revenue. NBC's management should be talking to companies with engineers inventing ways to create revenue by making things of value - not taking them away.
They should be sending out new business development managers to talk to tech companies and brainstorm - not lawyers to pow-wow about making war parties. Look at what happened to Sony. And look at what is going on with Apple.
The reason for Sony stumbling in the market is as clear as Apple's success - one company did it wrong - the other company did it right.
Lawsuits like this aren't right. - Swift2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hey, they're in fourth place. Their cable news channel has microscopic ratings. Their solution? Make a big fuss about people watching their shows in a non-approved way. Sue your way back to the Cosby/Seinfeld days of glory. Yeah, that's the ticket. Oh, and their website? It's stuck in the most proprietary standards for their video. I have a Mac, but I can watch the newsclips on CNN, ABC, CBS, Yahoo -- but even though I have Windows Media 9, Flash, Java, all the rest, if I click on a news video at MSNBC, it tells me, helpfully, that I need their OS. Further proof they've lost their minds over at NBC. Want to watch Letterman? You'll have to buy special NBC goggles.
- diggbrian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0NBC better watch it... they could end up TiVoBC.
- JimXugle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Anybody who knows anything about fair-use is that it's the definition of Grey-area.
My Ruling: Let them have their shows on their iPod/PSP if they want to. you aren't loosing any money. and if you were going to charge for the "privilege" of watching your content which you're broadcasting for FREE over the Air, then you deserve a frontal lobotomy. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0http://ipodtrix.blogspot.com/
- JohnnySoftware, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Heavens, NBC has bigger problems than that - their entire channel is a dead zone!
After reading about this possible lawsuit, I reviewed NBC's entire programming schedule for this week using http://tv.yahoo.com/ and it took under 5 minutes to find out that they have no big reason to even turn on their channel!!
Here is the result of NBC announcing they "may" sue TiVo (which I own) over its iPod (which I own) and Sony PSP (which I shall never own). I went to my TiVo, and I deleted every NBC show except for "Surface".
Here is what that means. Each week, I was watching up to 3 NBC shows. Now, I am watching only one NBC show. And weeks that it is in repeats and during summer reruns - I am watching zero NBC shows.
Word to TV ad time bookers in marketing departments: you might want to put your ads on ABC, CBS, WB, or FOX.
Reasons: (a) personally, most of the shows I watch and other people I know watch are NOT ON NBC, (b) NBC's shows are lame - look at the series they have in their schedule - "Surface" is not a dull show but most of their shows are, (c) tons of quality series on the other networks. The vast majority of shows by a landslide that I had season passes for were on NBC's competitors - not NBC, (d) contrary to popular belief TiVo owners go glimpse every commercial even if they fast forward and personally I do stop on one if it looks interesting. (e) NBC just pissed off the most afluent product-buyers out there and what little value ad spots had before, it has just gone down.
Companies who want to do ads should bypass NBC completely. Seriously, you want people to watch your ads and you want the people who your ads reach to be potentially interested in buying your product, right? Well, talk to TiVo and see if they and you would like to support a business case where users can subscribe to ads for product types they are interested in: Music players (subcategories: portable MP3, home theater, headphones, computer applications), Cars (sports, luxery, hybrid), Medicine (depression, arthritis, acid reflux), Computers and Software (Macintosh, MS-Windows, Linux, other), etc.
Cut out the middleman - especially _weak_ audience-drawing ones like NBC! Go right for the jugular!! Let the hungry consumer communicate what *he* has an appetite for - and allow him to have it. Work with TiVo to let their well-to-do consumers get it. Because NBC, by having a weak fall season and trying to sue companies that could be enhacing marketing's effectiveness & appeal, do not get it.
Look at ABC, they get it. They offer some shows to go directly to a computer, and from their to an iPod. People will go for watching the free show, with ads, if they can. If they wind up missing it though, rather than making them lose the story thread of the series and lose interest, ABC has figured out how to keep them interested - and keep them *watching*.
Stick a fork in NBC - it's done. - geekologist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Damn NBC. This is a good thing. Is there a something to sign against this yet. If so, point me there.
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