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- phunnel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14actually, the way MythTV works, is that it has a "backend" and "frontend." While both parts /can/ run on one computer, the mac version can /only/ run the frontend.
So... anyone using MythTV on an apple, will be doing their TV recording on a networked computer elsewhere. While tuners can run on the frontend, they don't have to, but you do have to have a backend. This would be the work around for the conundrum you present. - Tux541, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Yes, and although frontrow is great it doesn't have any of the TV features like MythTV does.
- gandre, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Wait, another good reason for me to switch to mac?
- adamsitting, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12Myth tv install is a terrible horror, just like most linux program installation. It will not become mainstream, a terrible tragedy, until linux gets their act together; The linux weakness;
- Needs a universal EXE replacement
- Needs to go down to about 15 distributions, rather than 1000 (installing on a well known platform and just providing graphical package availability would remove half of the distros)
- Needs a universal, and very usable package manager, included on every desktop distro
- LAMP is great, but optimization is left to the pros
There's just too many great programs like MythTV which are nearly impossibly to get working properly, save spending more than 24 hours on setup. - nograz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6MythTV is a breeze to install, not sure what you are talking about.
I recently just emerged MythTV .19 on my new gentoo box and had it up and running in no time at all. - FrostyFire, on 10/12/2007, -10/+14Because you're jealous that you don't have an Intel Mac.
- airjrdn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Mod parent up (thumbs up for the diggers)
People often forget that Linux is only free if your time has no value. While I *can* get many things working in Linux, it's typically not worth it given that I have to read pages of documentation, modify config files *after* I've already installed the thing, and hope to God everything works as stated. Given that most Linux apps rely on 30 other freely available Linux utilities that are all in a state of "beta" flux, it's amazing anything works as planned.
Don't get me wrong, I'm dual booting XP and Ubuntu on the laptop I'm typing this on, and Ubuntu stalls relatively easily, but ensuring I've got accelerated video drivers, working wireless, etc. is sometimes a chore in many Linux distros. Strangely, everything pretty much always works natively in Windows. Yes, I know that's a driver problem, but as an end user, I don't give a $hit. Make it work or don't make it. It's pretty much as simple as that. - zachtib, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4oh... wow.
I've been following myth for a while, and am just now understanding the frontend/backend thing
thanks - DarkSenay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Why use a Mac Mini when you can just use a modded xbox with XBMC as a frontend and save about 400 dollars...
- Acill, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I want to see the complete MythTV brought to OS X. I dont own a x86 linux box and I dont much want to get one.
- Eccles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Perhaps you could update the wiki then. On
http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_on_Mac_OS_X
it says "The backend portion of MythTV does not run on Mac OS X and won't be ported any time soon."
Also, what's the Firewire tuner of which you speak? - avalanch00, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Working link:
http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php?title=Myth_on_Mac_x86&direction=prev&oldid=10501
Before someone trolled the wiki - crapman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I got a modded xbox with XBMC, and although is cool, it doesn't have the simplicity and capabilities of the mini, as an example just half of the video players don't work any more, there is no easy way to update it, crashes often, and it doesn't work well with a remote. also is very noisy. The mini will be the next standard on home theaters, mark my words...
- nograz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I would take MythTV for its sheer customizbility and the amazing amount of work that it put into it over some closed sourced and propritary hardware.
MythTV is a great piece of software, probably the most diverse out there when it comes to DVR/PVR software. - maguirer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Why does it link to the discussion page? Here's the article:
http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_on_Mac_x86 - zachtib, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4this is true, but do any intel macs have tv-tuners? i guess you could use a usb one.
I was dissapointed that the new minis didn't have a built in tv-tuner. would have made them the perfect media center pc - nograz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I think you are over exaggerating a little. I don't know of many applications that have 30 obscure dependencies that are need just to run it. I would say, on average, a application like MythTV only really need like 2-5 "obscure" dependencies and I feel that I am being a little on the careful side there.
Sure linux is more complex, that is the price we pay for it being open source and so customizable. That is what drew me to it, that I wasn't stuck inside a box that I was with Windows or OSX. Sure, linux is frustrating at time, figuring stuff out, but I think the pay off is more than Windows or OSX has to offer. While you are right about $ vs actual time spent. There are a ton of great resources out there and it does not take an exorbitant amount of time to do stuff in linux or getting it setup. Since using Gentoo, my time getting things to work has been cut down dramatically, all thanks to the portage system. Ubuntu and the like have done the same thing, just in a different way, cutting down the work going in to make it work.
As far as drivers, I haven't had too much trouble with anything. I did have a off brand video card that wouldn't work with ATI's drivers, but in all fairness, it wouldn't work with ATI's windows drivers either. In fact, it didn't really work in Windows, but out of the box, in Windows it actually displayed a higher resolution and color depth, something Windows wouldn't do with out the special drivers for it. Also, it is not even fair to bitch about Wireless support in linux. This is because most wireless cards use closed source drivers and these companies will not open it up for fear of exploits. This makes it hard for the linux community when they aren't supported or have a means to port them over. Some of these guys are smart, but it is a daunting task. However, NDISWrapper is an amazing piece of software, enabling the use of Windows wireless drivers to use these cards under linux. The software and driver development under *nix is second to none, these people have so much to overcome and find ways to do it. I would take a open source *nix programmer over a Windows (especially VB) programmer any day because over all *nix programmer would run circles around Windows programmers. - ravenmuffin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Don't most widescreen TVs have a "zoom" mode which does what you want - crops 4:3 TV top and bottom so it fills 16:9 ?
Mine does. - DarkSenay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I agree, however the cost savings is worth the sacrifice of a few small things in my opinion
- matrix0f8h, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Only a horror if you have wierd hardware.... here, try this: http://www.mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html
- giloron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3apt and yup...
I tried that about 6 months ago, apparently the only repository for Debian stopped hosting it and there are no SuSe RPMs for it that I could find. I reinstalled Gentoo and emerged it. - jrapp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4That may be true if you're compiling it from hand, but that's where apt and/or yum come into great use. Want to install Myth? yum install mythtv-suite will do the trick (after you add the appropriate repos, of course). If you're installing a capture device, things may get a little difficult, but that's what makes Linux great - it's got a huge knowledgeable and willing fan-base. One great resource if Jarrod Wilson and his Myth(tv)ology install guide. Check it out at http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ and he'll have you up and running in just a few hours.
- Tux541, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Here is the direct link:
http://www.wipzradio.com/files/mythfrontend-0-19-fixes-x86-nommx.dmg - frem001, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4i've never seen myth tv, would be great if front row could have plugins developed for it so you could access myth tv or...insert replacement... through its interface.
- vbrtrmn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Installing binaries on Linux is cake! You just need to know what your particular distribution supports.
Linux: apt-get, RPM
BSD: pkg_add
The BSD pkg_add method will automatically download and install any and all dependencies of what you are trying to install. I think Debian's apt-get is similar and there's a thing called URPMI for RPM systems which automates the task.
Compiling from source isn't extremely hard, you just need to read the instructions... not as simple as just sticking the CD in the drive and having windows hold your hand through the whole process, but if you like learning how your system works it is definitly more educational :) - nograz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@ phunnel
Nope, not anymore. MythTV frontend and backend have been running on Mac's under OSX. - phunnel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1you will still need a backend server, even with a mac mini.
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Research the difference betsween a MythTV BACKEND and a MythTV FROTEND and you will have the answer you seek.
- zachtib, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4course, the intel macs all have frontrow, don't they?
- CreepingDeath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1thanks nograz, but I have a Prodigy 7.1LT which does NOT use the same chipset as the Prodigy 7.1, believe me I tried those drivers, they refuse to load saying the chipset is unrecoginized, I even edited the driver to accept the device ID for my 7.1LT, and it loaded but nothing worked. IT was a stupid mistake on my part (I checked to see if it was supported, and the 7.1 was, i never thought the LT (low profile version) would be a differant chipset, but it is)
Just a tough lesson on being very careful what you buy ;) I got burned in similar way with a hawking tech pcmcia card, fortunatly I was able to get the acx111 driver to load thanks to the open source driver project for it. Just took some working at it. - Tux541, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The MythTV backend will run on MacOS, no problem. The BIG problem is that their is no way for it to communicate with a tuner card in MacOS. Mac's are only good if you want a frontend. This is mainly for those who just bought a new Mac Mini and want to use it as a frontend in their bedroom or something.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Thanks for saving me the trouble. Looks like MythTV is only for hardcore computer geeks.
- Achilles1942, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Myth is god
- proidiot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1not this again......
okay, for those of you who still dont get it........
captain crunch is to omelet as windows is to linux:
captain crunch vs. omelet:
-they both go on some kind of eating dish
-you could eat either at breakfast
-there are those who love the omelet because it tastes great and can be fixed up however you want
-there are those who love captain crunch because it is sugary and has a neato mascot
-in the end, altho they could both perform their main function of edible item, they are really very different and very rarely do people really like both
windows vs. linux:
-they both go on some kind of computing device
-you could use either as your operating system
-there are those who love linux because it works great and can be fixed up however you want
-there are those who love windows because it has an extreme number of programs and has a very rich company making it
-in the end, altho they could both perform their main function of operating system, they are really very different and very rarely do people really like both - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1has anyone got this to work on intel macs. I tried on my mac mini it gave me the setup screen so I entered my details, restarted the frontend and now it doesn't work
- nograz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I never said there weren't good VB programmers, don't try to put words in my mouth.
I am merely stating that VB is a horse crap language, it is designed to be for easy and rapid development. It is mainly for "none" programmers, like engineers that have to write software for their equipment. It however does not have the power of flexibility of other languages out there like C/C++, Java, Python, etc...
All I am saying is a non-VB programmer doesn't have this candy coated enviroment. They aren't taught bad programming skills because of the limitations in the language and tools. Overall, a non-VB programmer is going to understand more of the fundimentals of programming and do it more efficiently.
Bottom line, VB is not a solid programming language. It is for easy and rapid development aimed at non-programmers. I still will take a non-VB programmer over a VB programmer any day. - airjrdn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2You were doing well until you slammed the VB programmers. That's like saying M$, Microshaft, etc. Why not just label all Linux users as zit infested nerds?
There are good VB programmers, there are bad VB programmers, get off your high horse. - nograz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Maybe it has to do with the fact that it is cheap(er) and near silent? If intergrated into a true HT system, most people are going to want a silent front end. That is something the Mac Mini has due to design. Sure, you could build something simular on the PC platform, but for most. A Mac Mini is ready to go out of the box, no custom job even if it is finding a small mobo and small case.
I actually use a $300 device as a front end. It is rather limited on the MythTV front end portion, but its other software makes up for it. It is a Roku PhotoBridge, an amazing piece of hardware! I also have a pesudo HTPC that runs MythTV backend and frontend. But for being small and silent, the PhotoBridge can't be beat. - nograz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Here is an idea; if you don't like it, how about just not making comment in it?
Wow... what a concept? - starmanjones, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1>Maybe it has to do with the fact that it is cheap(er) and near silent? If intergrated into a true HT system, most
>people are going to want a silent front end. That is something the Mac Mini has due to design.
ya, ok. point taken. i work in IT and i've just gotten in the habit of putting the brainless computers to doing brainless tasks and kept the macs for people to use. now that i think about it i have my tivo in a cabinet because it makes more noise than i care for. - recipher, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Digg needs a button to kill the users that post these damn free mac mini sites. Bury these comments guys.
- MrWh1t3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I will stick with a modded xbox at $150 for a front end to stream media.
- Tux541, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I've noticed that... The problem is usually becaues it' can't connect to your backend properly still. Try going to a termial and run the program from there. So open the terminal, then cd /Applications/MythFrontend.app/Contents/MacOS. Then type ./mythfrontend. See if it gives you any errors on connecting to your MySQL database. If it does then do this rm -rf /Users/*username*/.mythtv. This cleans out your settings. Then trying and figure out whats wrong with your backend. Maybe you have skip-networking in your /etc/my.cnf?
- gigabitten, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2***** rich ass
- colelt1, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Someone edited it to say:
"digg
HaHa: digg sux slashdot r0x0rs "
I hope they restore the article. - kkuphal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I believe the most common firewire source would be a cable box with firewire output like a Motorola DCT-6200
- FrickD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This would be cool for existing myth users to throw on their Mac (especially a wireless laptop) and have another spot to watch TV and access myth content. Even better is to access the back-end through the Internet and a home VPN and you can watch your TV from anywhere on the Internet with your Mac.
- ryankhart, on 02/25/2009, -0/+024 hours to install? That's it? I used to spend hundreds of hours tweaking with Linux. 24 hours is nothing.
- KublaKhan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1This sucks - anyone got a download link?
- PradaPete, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0neither MythTV nor Front Row are able to stretch the aspect Ratio so I have to see 4:3 material with a feet of black void on each side on my 16:9 TV.
VLC can force the aspect ratio and I would like to be able to do that in Front Row. Why isn't that possible? Are people really watching 4:3 UNSTRETCHED material on their 16:9 TVs ? That's flumkin ugly. I rather see fat wide faces instead of the black void, but Apple doesn't give me same love as VLC does. -
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