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- mikeroySoft, on 10/19/2009, -2/+72"will finally enable users"
Finally? It's only been out a week! - sickswaystop, on 10/11/2007, -7/+37Flash + iPhone = can't touch this na na na na
- totorototoro, on 10/11/2007, -2/+28Great that Apple is addressing certain perceived needs.
To be honest, I haven't missed Flash that much...but the only sites I visit that use it for content are cnnsi.com (for sports scores), and Youtube (which isn't really an issue). The majority of flash stuff tends to be ad-based. Of course, like any other web feature, once it comes, you just forget its there :p - jbus, on 10/11/2007, -7/+30The iPhone is fine without flash... I was actually hoping that the lack of flash on millions of iPhones would drive many companies to rethink their Flash only content strategies and encourage the use of standards rather than proprietary razzle dazzle. Hopefully this story is false.
- jtp51, on 10/11/2007, -11/+29A talented developer could really make one heck of a user interface using Flash running on iPhone's touch screen.
- Drexus, on 10/11/2007, -4/+18What? I developed a lot of my best stuff on a 733Mhz G4. Why can't you get it to run on a 1.67Ghz G4?
- NSResponder, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15Nope, YouTube is re-encoding in H.264 for TV and iPhone.
-jcr - Nysul, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15What version of flash? The pocket pc version is 7, which is pretty useless.
- DaffyDuck, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15No. The interface will remain Cocoa with Core Image (and Core Animation) which is superior to Flash. The are just enabling flash in the browser.
- Tippis, on 10/11/2007, -6/+15*now* we're talking webapps... :)
- zephc, on 10/11/2007, -4/+12My old 450Mhz G4 Cube could run flash just fine too. Either you're lying, or you need to stop running 20 concurrent copies of Folding@Home on your machine...
- Dhalgren, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7It's Finally for Mossberg. I mean he's had the thing for like 3 months now...
- LeonardNimrod, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7And Google is moving all Google Video and YouTube away from Flash. Google is much bigger advocate of removing Flash in lieu of AJAX than Apple is.
I thinkthe likelyhood of Flash on the iPhone is pretty slim. - jmreid, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7wtf
- longhorn49, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7h.264 encoding
- Diganta, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I recently bought a Macbook Pro 15" (2.4GHz Santa Rosa) with 4GB of RAM and the other day the CPU was doing 110% and running hot. I looked at the processes to see track down the culprit. It was Safari, one of the tabs I had left open the day before was Gizmodo. The Gizmodo webpage about the iPhone was running two concurrent flash video banners about a competing Blackberry Pearl phone.
Once I killed the Gizmodo website my CPU returned to normal and the laptop cooled off. This recent trend I've noticed on my older Powerbook G4 (1GHz) with 1GB RAM was fine browsing, till the advent of flash video banners. Then my web browsing experience and computer performance went south.
I have nothing against Flash content as long as they give the user control over the web browsing experience back. On the iPhone this is even more critical, given that its not running an Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz.
1. Confirm download of Flash video (FLV) content.
2. Ask the user if they want the Flash video to be played again. Looping Flash videos kill performance. - tbenathan, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Wow, you're hilariously out-of touch. Those YouTube videos are encoded H.264, which is higher quality and scalable. Flash will be a welcome addition to my iPhone.
- LowRentDiggs, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8Finally, after a whole week!
Doh, someday I'll learn to read all preceding comments... - Aleks, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8First site i'm going to once I get the Flash update for the iPhone is this: http://neverendingarnold.ytmnd.com/
- ColdDimSum, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4How many of YOUR mobile phone devices include Flash?
- geminitojanus, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5The only thing I care about personally is if they enable Flash, giving me a way to disable it ala FlashBlock. Flash these days has come to be synonymous with ads and web-games/mini-movies, and to be honest, I don't care for either.
- dime, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Yes, because Apple obviously was trolling Digg for people with -20 levels to find out what the iPhone needed and in no way could have realized that having flash should be on their to do list on their own...
- bwad, on 10/11/2007, -5/+8Yet it feels like forever...
- DaffyDuck, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Dang, I guess not everyone knows about this great device yet. I'm gonna go digg up some stories to get the word out!
- HerrEisenheim, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Wrong. Flash is a plug-in FOR Safari provided BY Adobe. Adobe decides what platforms Flash is ported to. There exists NO OSS (or otherwise) Flash compatible API other than the Adobe licensed one.
- zeiben, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Didn't want those grapes anyway...
- synotic, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3This (and your other) comment makes no sense. AJAX has nothing to do with streaming video.
- Skeuomorph, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Sick of crappy Flash encoding. Look how much better YouTube looks on the iPhone versus the real web site, thanks to the H.264 encoding. Movies in H.264 look fantastic as well, maybe letting us get rid of that WMV hack, DiVX, too. (Yeah, yeah, I know it's its own IP now...)
Here I was hoping the iPhone would mark a resurgence of QuickTime encapsulating H.264 encoding, delivered (as per Apple's dev notes) over http using byte ranges.
We can dream... - jmreid, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4wtf
- diggumjonez, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2yeah, you are.
- jschrab, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2"There is so many great flash based apps on the internet"
I think you mean *games*. Desktop Tower Defense in your hand could be a serious time sink. I can't wait! - kuyman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Dugg down for sig. It's at the top, for science's sake!
- rcran, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Wouldn't it be cool to get methods for up to 5 mouse points? Like _mouse1 and mouse_2 ect. Of Course, that would require Adobe to add some stuff to Flash just for Apple, but it would still rock.
- drzeus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Apple and Adobe must work together to bring Flash to the iPhone. Seeing as third-party apps can't be installed by the user, Adobe can build the plugin, but Apple must install it. Moreover, considering Apple is being all closed about the iPhone, they're going to need to do some of the development work (or at least some good communication about specs and capabilities) to bring Flash Player to this new platform.
- drzeus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Unlikely. The AIR team at Adobe has enough on their hands finishing AIR for Windows and the standard version of OSX, and Linux is next on the list.
By the way, Skeuomorph, you do realize that AIR applications can be made with XHTML/CSS, DHTML+JavaScript, and XML HTTP Request Object, don't you? Sure, there's some proprietary stuff in there too (like a specialized Flash Player) and special windowing and file system APIs, but it's still standard web development goodness built on WebKit. - diggumjonez, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1isn't it just a checkbox in xcode?
- drzeus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Badly-developed Flash content kills performance. The problem is that too many designers are coding, not that there's an inherent problem with Flash Player.
- superkendall, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1That's what Apple does. They ship, and add features... the 1st gen iPhone I had had a number of pretty handy features added over the years. And with an almost totally virtual interface, there should be very few features they cannot bring to the current iPhones even after they release new versions.
- Skeuomorph, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Camino has great ad blocking but Safari (even version 3) doesn't. However, in Safari preferences you can apply a user CSS style sheet, and CSS styles can be used to suppress block shaped ads, so you can find a number of style sheets that help block ads in Safari. Previously, Safari 2.0 supported a couple add on products with blocking, but these don't compare to Firefox's AdBlock / AdBlock+ or Camino's built-in ad blocking.
http://www.google.com/search?q=safari+block+ads+css - LeeSoong, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1It would be Better for Apple to work on Locking Down the iPhone Root Shell Hacks and Xploits.
- Skeuomorph, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1That would be horrible. Let's stick to "web 2.0" (XHTML/CSS3, DHTML+JavaScript, and XML HTTP Request Object) for a little while instead of jumping onto proprietary bandwagons in too big a hurry.
- Me1000, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1are you retarded?
- electroWildWood, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1this is only news if we get the current flash player 9. the level of efficiency from player 8/ as2 to player 9/ as3 is significant. we can make some killer little iphone apps with player 9/as3. if its flash lite, it will be terrible and horrible news.
- Drexus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Superior how? I give it marks for smooth quality animation, but that's not what flash is about is it? Are you going to write tools and games with CORE? Are you going to program universal interface apps with CORE? Think before you spastically puke out your comments.
- mrsteveman1, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2the letter A is nowhere near H or Y
and there is no E in the contraction Wasn't - Me1000, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Yes Youtube works, there is an app dedicated to it.
it plays H.264 videos... - ilgaz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Well there is a verified way to achieve such thing and it worked great so far on OS X/Linux/FreeBSD: Build on open source, share the source (not trade secrets as Cocoa) with developers.
On "Device OS X", they forgot (!) to do such thing and you know? It will cost them a lot. - KungFuJesus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1prepare to see Edge brought to it's knees
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