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- noahs, on 10/11/2007, -14/+98how is it the "real web" without bloody flash
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -12/+90no flash support = no HomestarRunner = no iphone for me = saving $600 = continuing to eat for the next few months
also, im sure they'll update the browser to support flash eventually. 'tis just a software update. - unco, on 10/11/2007, -16/+63@Wild.. the mouse issue is hardly a problem.. its like saying when i take my hand off the mouse how does the flash know where the cursor is. simple.. its in the last place i left it.
- l33tsauce, on 10/11/2007, -5/+45lol of course there is no flash, how can AT&T sell you ***** expensive games if you can just get online to play games using flash.
- wild, on 10/11/2007, -27/+59Flash has a very inherent problem in its implementation with a touchscreen. There is no mouse. When effects require reading the mouse position (such as scrolling or rollovers) it would break the flash. Its not just a simple "software update."
Its going to take some real thinking to get flash to work properly. If they ever can. - bjarkebech, on 10/11/2007, -6/+35Macromedia solved the mouse problem on pocket pcs. I had a full flash player on Windows mobile, which showed homestarrunner fine.
- InstantRamen, on 10/11/2007, -2/+25iphone story number 483--- take 53 and-----ACTION
- JimmyIkon, on 10/11/2007, -2/+21just get a PS3 and flush it down the toliet.
- niradg, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19imho, apple has made a great piece of hardware and is screwing themselves with their proprietary, anti-competitive bullsh*t. no third party applications is bad enough, but if web application are the only option, then not having flash makes the iPhone downright crippled.
- colincornaby, on 10/11/2007, -4/+17Huh? How is Flash a QuickTime competitor? They're for two separate purposes. And a lot of people don't know this, but QuickTime can actually play Flash.
- jeffeb3, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15Digg needs an option to view only the lowest rated posts. That's my favorite part of digg. Watching people say really stupid/racist/insensitive stuff is like watching those sporting accidents when someone's bones get pushed out of their flesh on video. You can just read the stupidity, it's so raw. You feel like vomiting, but you just can't take your eyes away.
- lava, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14"Flash has a very inherent problem in its implementation with a touchscreen. There is no mouse. When effects require reading the mouse position (such as scrolling or rollovers) it would break the flash. Its not just a simple "software update."
Its going to take some real thinking to get flash to work properly. If they ever can."
I'm a Flash developer, and I've written plenty of flash applications for pocket pc. A good flash application is one that doesn't depend on mouse rollovers. And it's foolish to expect flash applications that work on pcs to work on mobile devices. The Flash API lets you do a lot of things but it doesn't mean developers have to use them. Unless you're missing the ability to to see annoying rollover flash ads on your iPhone, it should be fine to use as it is.
I'd say that the flaw that flash DOES have right now is the lack of multi-pointer support. Flash applications for the Wii and the iPhone aren't able to do the cool things those devices can do. - lieutenantmudd, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10Well, YouTube is starting to migrate their videos to MPEG4 in addition to Flash. Jobs said YouTube would work "no problem" on the iPhone, you are just getting MPEG4 converted videos instead of the Flash site.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -8/+15I hope they decide to incorporate flash into a later update.
- MacParrot, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8I think a PSP would flush easier. HEY! You could get three and flush those for the same price! Bonus!
- kethraal, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7PC: What can iPhone do?
iPhone: Well, there's MultiTouch...
PC: What's MultiTouch?
Mac: You can use more than one finger on iPhone.
PC: I come with a floppy disk.
Mac: Didn't you send out a couple e-mails offering a solution for that?
PC: ... - rr525356, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7Flash Video has become the most ubiquitous online video format. On top of that, Apple uses Quicktime for all of their interactive demos.
- colincornaby, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5"That's an interesting thought, I wonder if there will be a way to get an flv codec onto the iphone for Quicktime--which I assume the iPhone has in some variation--to use. You still wouldn't be able to play embeded flash video on a site like DailyMotion, but a simple webapp could pull the video url and send it to QT on the iPhone..."
I think Flash in QuickTime is stuck at Flash 4. So it probably wouldn't be able to play Flash video. But it might be a good way to get Homestar Runner working. - vcleniuk, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7What? This guy's groping for money to buy one. Sheesh.
Stop drinking Starbucks for 1 month...
Undugg. - oOLiquidNightOo, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9mac: hi, i'm a mac.
pc: and i'm a pc.
mac: pc there's someone i wanna introduce you to, this is iphone.
** hot blond chick enters twirling hair with her finger **
pc: uhh, hi .. (iphone ignores greeting)
pc: iphone sure looks really .. good .. but is there any substance?
mac: (mac & iphone stare wantingly at each other) huh? oh, yeah iphone can do some pretty amazing things.
pc: (disgusted) i'm sure. - allywilson, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7Does anyone have a way of finding out whether or not the iPhone actually ships with FlashLite instead? As Symbian phones do. Would Flashlite appear installed to something searching for Flash instead?
You can watch youtube on Symbian phones by the way. Well, a cutdown widget style youtube. - drjones78, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Isnt it wholey dependant on Adobe to work with Apple to develop Flash for the iPhone? Perhaps, this will come in the future. Wonder if they have been in talks with each other to make it happen?
Wish they would get flash released for Linux on x86_64 already:( - TheLoneWolf071, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7@os2guy
Sure, flash might suck a little, but it's everywhere... they have games with it, videos, animation, so if you support flash, you are talking about adding so much more content support.
No Flash... For Now... I can almost assure you they will have flash support within a year. But they also did say that they will have YouTube support right out of the box... - gibson424, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Apple is always all about controlling the user experience so that there aren't widespread incidences of people being unhappy. That being said, try loading a flash intro for a web page over AT&T's data network, and you'd probably throw your iPhone at a wall.
- timusca, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Anyone else's eyes get totally f'ed up after reading that site?
- seanmc303, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4If it had the Flash 9 player, Flex apps would work on it. My guess is that Apple is too worried that 3rd party developers are going to make some interface that would offend his Jobbness. I do not consider having the privilege to create a website that will run on the iPhone a legitimate API.
- adambair, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Instead of donations, he should just toss some adsense action on there -- capitalize on his traffic...
- fuzzmeister, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3As jonahan said, applications are quickly moving from the client to the "cloud", and since the iPhone has a (mostly) full-featured browser, it will be able to take advantage of those.
- MacParrot, on 10/11/2007, -6/+9@obsoletepower,
Last day of school for you today? Or did you just forget your meds again?
Having said that, no iPhone for me. Too expensive, not enough storage. I'll wait for round two. - Kazbaeden, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5@Wild
"Flash has a very inherent problem in its implementation with a touchscreen. There is no mouse. When effects require reading the mouse position (such as scrolling or rollovers) it would break the flash. Its not just a simple "software update.""
Flash works flawlessly on tablet PCs with touch and pen input. My tablet doesn't even have a keyboard and flash still works. I don't see why the iPhone is any different. - wilhoitm, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Flash is proprietary! Learn and use web standards like SVG, CSS, DOM, JavaScript, and Canvas - they can do everything Flash can do and more!
- jonahan52, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3orly, what about google docs?
- Kazbaeden, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3@jeriqo
I don't think a ***** website where you go to look up gas prices is quite what people had in mind when they thought of iPhone applications. The applications you can write for the iPhone can work on any platform. What people wanted to do was tap into the unique features of the iPhone, like multitouch and accelerometer.
But if you're fine with Java script apps that's your own issue. - Shando, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6Anyone else surprised at the extremely low resolution?
- jeriqo, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6"by unco
@Wild.. the mouse issue is hardly a problem.. its like saying when i take my hand off the mouse how does the flash know where the cursor is. simple.. its in the last place i left it."
You don't get it... there is NO mouse cursor.
It's a touchscreen, not a giant touchpad. - infobhan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Photos from most digital SLRs are 3:2.
- thinkdifferent, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3@pr5owner
3:2 is the same as 15:10. That's not that far off from 16:10 or 16:9. However, you are correct that some anamorphic films are 2.35:1 (aka 23.5:10), so even precious HDTVs aren't an exact match. - thinkdifferent, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Flash & QuickTime originally were complementary technologies, but they have become slightly more competitive lately. Flash originally was designed for vector-based animation. Shortly thereafter, they added interactivity to the vectors. QT on the other hand was first & foremost a video platform. Over time QT added a minimal vector-based animation engine & some interactivity with sprites. Flash added bitmap support & video. As they have both converged a bit, there is some overlap & competition between them now. That being said, Flash is much better for interactive vector-based stuff & QT is much better for video.
- locojones, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Sure, if you're definition of "no problem" means buffering a several minute video for an hour over EDGE.
- zeiben, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Why do I have the suspicion that the words "not a watered-down internet" will become as infamous as "a series of tubes"?
- MioTheGreat, on 10/11/2007, -8/+10"Flash has a very inherent problem in its implementation with a touchscreen"
Which is why I'd love to see Silverlight on the iPhone. All the MS Surface demos are built with WPF, so it obviously doesn't have a problem being rigged to support multitouch. - thinkdifferent, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@kazbaeden
Tablet PCs still have cursors. The only difference is the device used for controlling the cursor is the screen. The iPhone is different in that there isn't a cursor. By definition a cursor is a represented internally as a single point on the screen. MultiTouch throws that limitation away, but consequently also means you can't rely on asking the OS for the "cursor position", since there isn't one. Applications which rely on that (not just flash) need to be rewritten to support it.
Flash is BTW, created by Adobe, so they are the ones who need to make a version for the iPhone. Apple would simply be bundling it with their browser, as most browser makers do now. - Me1000, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3notice how Google, Digg, Yahoo, ect. dont use flash!
Perhaps that is because they can build a real website, that doesn't use flash! - dementia, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2@colincornaby
That's an interesting thought, I wonder if there will be a way to get an flv codec onto the iphone for Quicktime--which I assume the iPhone has in some variation--to use. You still wouldn't be able to play embeded flash video on a site like DailyMotion, but a simple webapp could pull the video url and send it to QT on the iPhone... - jeriqo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I think you shouldn't expect more than widgets from a phone.
- fuzzmeister, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1No, not really. The developer could track your usage of the application, just like any website could. But Apple cannot, unless you are browsing through the AT&T network.
- jeriqo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3pr5owner, are you ***** stupid?
You're the kind of person who stretch 4:3 TV channels to fit your 16:9 TV screen? - jamshid, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1That's a shame about no Flash support -- there's lots I don't like about Flash, but it is part of the "real web" that Jobs claims the iPhone brings to mobile users.
Anyone hear whether iPhone support A2DP, the "stereo" version of Bluetooth audio? It would be really nice if it did, but I haven't heard anything about it. Would also be nice if Leopard supports it, too. - jeriqo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2"by lava
A good flash application is one that doesn't depend on mouse rollovers. And it's foolish to expect flash applications that work on pcs to work on mobile devices."
You're right, but the iPhone is supposed to browse the web, so you can't expect every website to work with the iPhone. -
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