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- devindotcom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+79Yeah, I know. Between a PS3 and a iPhone, I choose... rent.
- GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -10/+60$649?
I'm sorry, but I think I'll get a PS3. It retails here in Hong Kong for $480. Hell, with the remaining $200 I could throw in an iPod nano and a phone, seperately, as they are two devices that do their job just fine. I'm never going to be blasting a song in one ear and listening through the other. I don't see what the hype is. I for one am not pleased with devices that have functions that contradict eachother. If I wanted a phone with some other mystery feature, it would be something like email, as they are both communication-based activities. But music and video playback has long been one of the things I've not cared about in mobile phones.
FUN FACT :: Here in Hong Kong there are more then two mobile phones per person. - sophiaperennis, on 10/12/2007, -9/+33$600 for a phone, you got to be kidding me.
- wingnut21, on 10/12/2007, -5/+28Damn, I was looking forward to the iPhone, but if the prices are accurate, that's high enough to turn me away.
- carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -5/+27actually a month's worth of groceries and a wii+any other phone is looking better to me...
- IrritatedJones, on 10/12/2007, -17/+38Some people wait for Christmas. I'm waiting for January 9, 2007. Yes, I'm a Mac user obsessed with waiting on the iPhone ( or whatever it is going to be called). I've been putting off buying an iPod because of the widescreen rumors, and now I haven't bought a Blackberry Pearl because of the iPhone rumors.
I'm going to be one unhappy person come January 9th if Steve doesn't even give us a peak at it. - NicP, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Here are some recommended retail prices for unlocked phones:
Motorola V3x RAZR $599
Nokia N73 $699
SE W810 $599
So basically these price points seam about right for a high end phone unsubsidized by a carrier. - brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22It will likely be an unlocked phone, and $600 is quite a typical price for that if you buy directly from the manufacturer. You're probably used to carrier-subsidized phones that usually crippled functionality and a 2-year contract attached.
- brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15It's not an iPod with a keypad, it's a phone with music function. Real cell phones DO cost that much.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16@geminitojanus
I've just bought a Razr as a Christmas present. Unlocked, can use it wherever, whatever network I want.
Cost is equivalent of ~$130
$599 for a phone is massively over the odds, even with a little MP3 player built in. Given the economies, etc. this phone would need to either
a) be priced closer to $250 max, or
b) have a 'make me irresistable to the opposite sex' menu function
otherwise its just fanboy fodder for those that buy apple without thinking. - pu-z, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Hello form Norway! Where the phones come with or without a contract (usually 12 months) and you are totally free to buy any (GSM) phone you want and use it on any network. Is the phone locked to an operator? Unlock it totally legally at a store. 600 USD for a phone is not considered unreasonable here, at least not for a contract free high end music phone.
- Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I love Apple products an all, but I'm not shelling out USD$600 (nearly CAD$700) for a 4GB cell phone that plays MP3s... I wouldn't pay $700 for either an iPod or a cell phone. I could buy a 30GB iPod *and* a RAZR for less than that.
- GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12geminitojanus -- let me repeat I live in Hong Kong. I've never purchased a phone in America, although I'd be very surprised if you couldn't find one less then $50. You can get phones with megapixel cameras for less then $50 here, let alone a phone that just sends and recieves phone calls. If you are hard pressed sifting through over-hyped cell phones with 3G Broadband, cameras, memory card slots, push to talk and all the other ***** out there thesedays, don't forget there is always the second hand option. EBay is your best friend.
http://cell-phones.search.ebay.com/mobile-phone_Cell-Phones_W0QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ3QQsacatZ146487QQsbrsrtZd - bobfet1, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14If those price points are accurate, the iphone is going to be a disaster!
For $650 it better be like a blackberry on crack, with a video cam and wifi and magical powers. - Zreitan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Cingular is fine, i get coverage where none of my friends on crappy t-moblie or other cell comapnys get.
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -17/+23"Hell, with the remaining $200 I could throw in an iPod nano and a phone, seperately, as they are two devices that do their job just fine"
How the hell are you going to get an iPod nano ($149) and _any_ phone (> $50 if you are paying full price and not the carrier subsidized price) and still get under the $200 mark?
Anyone remember the RAZR when they first came out? Everyone did the same gawking: "ZOMG why would I pay $599 for a phone?!" "Only Drug dealers and Congressmen will own it", etc. Cingular picks it up, poof, the price is under $200/phone. Where do you think the extra $300 of its price went? Cingular paid it so you don't have to, they know they can get the rest of their money back on your phone contract.
Note to readers: This is what the phone will cost to other phone companies, or if you bought it directly from Apple. But, because you're not a moron, you won't be buying the phone directly from Apple (unless Apple starts its own Cellular business, in which case you'd be buying it through Apple's own Cellular Carrier and still receive sharp discounts). You'll be buying it from $MAJOR_CELLPHONE_SERVICE_PROVIDER who will cut the price for you. - cbeach, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Stop the rumours!! FFS
One day when there is some genuinely interesting Apple news it will be drowned out by all this rubbish.
Let digg.com know about the problem: feedback@digg.com - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Believe it or not, passing the FCC's incredibly strict guidelines on chips that transmit in Cellular bands requires very expensive electronics.
Besides, $600 isn't even the price YOU'LL end up paying for it: Cellphone carriers always short-circuit the price of phones by wrapping it into your monthly bill. The longer you own the phone, the cheaper the phone is to own. That's why their contracts force you to pay early termination fees. The $600 price tag is what you'd be paying if you bought the phone directly from Apple, which isn't something you're likely to be able to do. - gregrich, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I'll tell your people in the US (and I happen to be American) are so brain washed by the likes of Verizon and Cingular; cell phones are expensive you get a deep discount for signing a contract, your first born or a kidney. The prices are most likely retail prices, the price the carrier pays (before there quantity discount) or you would pay if you purchased the phone unlocked directly from Apple. In most other parts of the world you buy your phone (at full retail price) take you sim put it in your phone and your good to go. People in other countries must laugh at thought of signing a 2 year contract for a new phone. Another thing you have to realize is in America you can do the same thing, go into a T-Mobile or *GASP* Cingular store and buy a SIM then insert it into any unlocked GSM phone. , NO CONTRACT. This is the main reason why I am a T-Mobile customer.
- NicP, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Because the MSRP of the krazr is $499
- da_bradler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5yeah what the ***** is with that. the song only costs at most a buck if you buy it from anywhere but apparently turning it into a low quality ring tone makes it 5 times the cost. This is why the RIAA is pissed because nowhere else in the market are people stupid enough to pay 5 dollars for a song.
- cyberscape2, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8There's no way that I'm going to pay six hundred bucks for a cell phone, no matter how nice it is.
- da_bradler, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7There is no reason for a phone to be that expensive even if your not paying full price threw your carrier I'd be pissed by the mere fact that someone paid that much for a phone. I'm sure it won't do anything that a palm device did 2 years ago.
- megamike23, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7remember this is the price of the phone without two years of service that usually subsidize the cost of buying a new phone - go look at the price of most new unlocked phones, when they launch they are expensive (especially pda phones)
- ajs05, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Wow this place is so hyper-reactive. Anyone read all the way through???
``No details whether these simply represent retail prices that may drop considerably with a service plan commitment.''
I'll guess $299/$349 with a 3 year lock-in.
BTW another investment firm sent out an email on iPhone prospects
yesterday...haven't had time to read it but it's in my work inbox. Likely
this is real. - atgunning, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I am currently living in the Philippines, and most people buy unlocked phones directly from Sony/Ericsson, Nokia, O2, etc, and most are in the $400-900 range. Yes - people will pay 600 for an iphone, including me.
PS - Most people here make around $300 a month and they still buy these expensive phones. - paulmdx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@da_bradler:
Battery. Radio electronics. - ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You know, if you stuck IPOD nano flash memory in a Razr and bought a plan, it would set you back less than 200 dollars for the same price. Hell, a damn Sidekick is cheaper than this phone.
Is Apple retarded? No, seriously, I need to know.
Sure, they made a fortune selling self-destructing IPODs (I speak from personal experience, as my IPOD stopped working almost exactly one month before the warranty ran out and I had to get it replaced...guess they didn't time it correctly), but do they really think people will just throw down that much for a phone that plays music even though the Razr already does? - brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"So this is your attempt to spin a $600 cell phone as perfectly reasonable?"
No more reasonable than the hundreds of other $600 cell phones on the market that DONT play music. - mikeazorin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well if you think about a nice new phone being $250, a 4GB iPod being $150, that's like $400 right there. Just add Apple Tax of 50%, and the price starts to seem about right.
- sweintraub, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"she cites unnamed sources to provide some specs for the unreleased Apple phone"
=Kevin Rose Drinking Vblog just like everyone else. Same specs.
Sheesh. Give someone a seven figure salary at a brokerage house and you'd expect a little bit more than last months news. - ACityInOhio, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6At least you won't have to pay $5.00 for a 20 second, expires-in-3-months polyphonic ring-tone...you'll only have to pay $1 for a slightly-less-DRM-crippled, full length version.
That, ladies and gents, is called progress. - subject117, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2And people think the PS3 costs a lot of money for what you get...
- csnoke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2anyone who claims to have "sources" but can't peg the release date better than to half of a year... doesn't know *****.
- brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Stop the lies. You can get a Razr, unlocked for under 300 from Amazon."
$600 is average for a new unlocked phone. You can't compare the iPhone-a brand new model-with a Razr that's been out for a few years. The Razr is cheap because it's old technology. - magic6435, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3i D'ont seen what the problem is, i own a p900, p800 and m600 (i got all 3 off of ebay over that past few years for about 400 each used) but they all retail for over 600 new. Thats what kick ass phones cost.
- StevoCJ, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4My phone with a 2-megapixel camera, 3G, memory card slot, push to talk and all the other ***** out there was just £50 with a contract. And I got £100 credit for trading in my old (broken) phone.
- blackjack75, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"What about the Symbian-based Nokia N91 with the 4/8gb internal hard drive? It doesn't look bad and costs less than 599/649, at least here in europe."
I tried the N90 (I think?). The photos weren't bad an all. But seriously if Nokia hired someone to designed the interfaces as well and simple as Apple does I might throw away my Nano and use only my phone. Right now, they do pretty much everything and nothing well. Everything Apple does it does it mostly good. So I am pretty certain the iPhone will put to shame any of those clunky slow Symbian phones. Did you take the time to count how long these beast take to just boot? - nwkeeley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Do you really all think that the apple iPhone is coming out?
http://www.pollburner.com/takePoll.php?id=8e7dac8ac03a - Justin6512, on 10/12/2007, -0/+125days till Macworld
- Enendar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2From all the rumors it sounds like this is going to be a kick ass phone. But am I the only one here who has lost a cell phone before? Or who knows, maybe it was even stolen from me and I just didn't realize it. I don't want to be carrying around $600 in my pocket that can be easily broken, stolen, or lost. But it still sounds like a sweet phone that I'll probably gruel over once it comes out.
- dvpdziyn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3That cost is WAY to high. While I'd love a phone that 'just worked' with my Mac, I'll pay extra for software workarounds rather than drive myself poor with these purchases.
- fuzzboxer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Smart phones aren't even as much as this analyst thinks the iPhone will be. Give me a break.
- TheMatt07, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The Blackjack runs Windows Mobile 5.0 for Smartphones. It is only able to view but not edit Word documents. Only Windows Mobile 5.0 for Pocket PCs have the ability to edit. Still an awesome device though.
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm normally an Apple fanboy but have no idea why you got dugg down. I guess there are always bigger fanboys.
You are right. People might try to digg you down, but that won't lower the astronomical price. - brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"that price isn't justifiable."
You know what? I'm not even going to bother anymore. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I know no one will read this...or if they do they'll dig me down, but try $249 and $449 still.
The $600+ prices are related to the "smartphone" iPhone. There are 2 different types. - brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I can transfer ringtones to my Razr via bluetooth, and it's a Verizon-crippled phone, even.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4it's cause their brains see Apple + $649 + iPhone and they can't grasp the concept that all phones are subsidized by the carriers and that the actual price will be cheaper.
(sigh) - DucksofAnaheim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The Blackjackhttp://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-details/?q_list=true&q_phoneName=Samsung+BlackJack&q_sku=sku300002 does it all and you can do Skype with it :) Connect to Exchange server , edit Word docs. listen to music and videos , bluetooth 2.0 , 3G wireless , wifi , works with all the Plays for Sure stores via Cingular , awesome keypad , screen , thin , pocketable. And the best part is the price is reasonable.
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* Microsoft® Windows Mobile 5.0 Edition(TM)
* Cingular Music, Cingular Video and MEdia Net capable
* Mobile versions of Microsoft® Office(TM) applications
* Windows Media Player® 10 Mobile
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* Simultaneous voice and data capabilities
* Quad-band world phone with dual-band UMTS/HSDPA
* Slim design PDA with full QWERTY keyboard
* 1.3 MP camera with 2x zoom and video
* Microsoft® Direct Push for real-time email delivery
* Mobile Outlook®, Word®, Excel®, PowerPoint®, and PDF support
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