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- inactive, on 11/10/2008, -11/+44Microsoft needs more then just cloning, they need a better product
- atdigg, on 11/11/2008, -6/+34Linux distributions had software repositories long time before Apple even dreamed about distributing sofware in a "store"
- Dalhectar, on 11/11/2008, -0/+25No Mac user ever heard of Steam.
- robbob, on 11/10/2008, -17/+40"embrace" (AKA rip-off)
- DotNetWill, on 11/11/2008, -1/+20Like Apple started the whole App Store thing. They may have been the first to monetize it but they hardly came up with the concept. After all the app store bares a striking resemblance to where you download Firefox extensions from only with prices and greater controls.
PS. How long has the Windows Marketplace been going now? Since Win95/98? - DotNetWill, on 11/11/2008, -0/+15What I've just realized is Apple weren't the first to monetize it either, anyone hear off a little community called Steam?
- Dalhectar, on 11/10/2008, -5/+20How about a UI that doesn't look like Windows 2000? I never understood the desire to shrink an interface that works on a 15"+ monitor and literally shrinking it down to 2.5". It's not like there's a mouse connected to my phone.
When hardware manufacturers are hiding the WinMo GUI with stuff like TouchFlo 3D and Sony's Panels, you know there's a problem. - an10ae, on 11/12/2008, -0/+15You mean pioneered by Steam® , or maybe you mean a package manager like in Debian. I mean "Online Software Distribution" WTF? Does anybody buy boxes anymore?
- i4mt3hwin, on 11/12/2008, -1/+14Buried. There were plenty of software distribution platforms before the App Store.
- LennyX, on 11/11/2008, -4/+16Wrong. Cmd+C/V is way easier than Ctrl+C/V – you don't even have to move your fingers from their typing position.
Automatic detection of new hardware? I'm pretty sure Macs now what's going on when you plug in a new camera/usb drive/whatever a lot quicker than Windows does. And without stupid noises. - Insane40k, on 11/12/2008, -2/+10Pioneered by who?.. Apple copied it's app store from Installer and Cydia, which were almost straight ports of popular Linux distribution systems. It was not first to even take money for software! No innovation at all! Period.
- e2superman, on 11/12/2008, -8/+16App store was not an Apple invention. Stop trying to say MS steals everything from apple.
Apple Marketing: "Say it enough, Say it loud enough, people will believe anything..."
oh yeah... and don't talk about why your stuff is good.. just talk about why you think your competitors is bad. - mbannister, on 11/10/2008, -8/+14How does Microsoft plan to get ahead of Apple if they are just taking Apple's and Facebook's concepts?
- Ravatar, on 11/12/2008, -2/+8you fail at sarcasm
- nave7693, on 11/12/2008, -1/+7What the heck do you call this then?
http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/
And yea it really makes sense to believe what appleinsider says about MS... - albyliontk, on 11/10/2008, -1/+6I completely agree, this is exactly the point.
- hugolp, on 11/12/2008, -3/+8MS copying Apple??. I can not believe it...
- alerad, on 11/12/2008, -1/+6Most articles from appleinsider are.
- djrbx, on 11/11/2008, -3/+8Keep in mind Microsoft likes to play with ideas. Sometimes for the better and sometimes not so. Look at Xbox Live. It's a great service and in my opinion the best online experience, although not perfect, it does it's job and will be better come the Nov 19 update. Anyways, Competition is great for us consumers and allows alternatives. It'll be interesting to see what Microsoft releases if and when it happens.
edit: About all this copying Apple bull, can't you guys wait and see what they release before complaining. Who knows, they might take the idea and make it better. If they don't improve the idea or just copy it directly, that's the time and only time when people should start complaining. Until then, at least keep an open mind. - inactive, on 11/11/2008, -0/+5"embrace" (AKA a comic written by carmen electra)
- iofthestorm, on 11/12/2008, -2/+6@Vich: I think everyone profited from stealing from BSD. Not that it's a bad thing, it did lead to some perhaps unintentional standardization, such as Berkeley Sockets.
- e2superman, on 11/12/2008, -0/+4Car Makers and other people innovate and copy all the time. Welcome to competition. Take something people like, make it better, sell it.
- jamesmcm, on 11/12/2008, -5/+9By using it's monopolies to ensure most things will only work on their inferior systems. Basically they keep DirectX locked in to Windows, bribe schools to use Windows and use monopolistic tactics to drive competitors out the market.
- SniperZero, on 11/12/2008, -2/+6How about copying/embracing (what ever the hell you want to call it) something that people want.
- iofthestorm, on 11/12/2008, -1/+5Really? From my experience it's usually Apple who bribes schools to use their stuff. In middle school we had Macs exclusively, and there was a laptop program where you would use a laptop extensively in your classes, and they required iBooks, although a friend of mine managed to get them to let him use a PC laptop. In high school there seemed to be about an even split between PCs and Macs, although the Macs seemed older except for a new iMac the library got last year. My mom's a middle school teacher, and they recently got Macbooks and a guy from Apple is apparently teaching them about podcasts, which I find kind of funny/stupid.
- BlackJackJester, on 11/12/2008, -0/+4Yes...and because apple insider isn't biased at all, and hastily labels what MS is doing as a ripoff. Last I hard online distribution of software has been around long before the 'app store'. download.com comes to mind. Jesus you people are quick to pat yourselves on the back.
- UnConeD, on 11/12/2008, -2/+6Heh. Apple's "genius" wasn't to sell software digitally... but to sell software directly to mobile phone users, thus completely circumventing the traditional phone operators.
Mobile phones have been going nowhere because operators don't dare do anything that might cut into their ridiculous profits. That's why the app store is such a success.
In fact the brilliance is not in the concept itself, but in the fact they managed to convince the operators to go along with it rather than say "***** you". Of all the tech companies out there, Apple was one of the few that could do it, exactly because the iPhone would sell like hot cakes. - nickcrz, on 11/12/2008, -1/+4OH wait... Google "embraced" apple apps store and they "Innovate"
RIM "embraced" apple apps store format and they innovate
and Microsoft "ambraced" Apple apps store format and they are just copying Apple...
C'mon people companies copy concepts left and right all the time, including Apple. This does not only happen in the tech sector, it also happens in the auto industry, financial sector, and just about any other business. - mrsteveman1, on 11/11/2008, -5/+8So do windows apps when you uninstall them.
Do you even know how any of this stuff works? - srg13, on 11/12/2008, -0/+3What about apt and rpm?
- MacParrot, on 11/12/2008, -0/+3Actually I think this situation calls for valium
- kronix2, on 11/12/2008, -1/+4"How does Microsoft plan to get ahead of Apple if they are just taking Apple's and Facebook's concepts?"
It's not Apple's concept. Steam, Linux package managers, even Windows Marketplace to a degree all got there way ahead of Apple.
The only thing Apple did was take somebody else's idea and make it mainstream. - poponegra, on 11/12/2008, -0/+2Ramen to that.
- qbthemc, on 11/12/2008, -1/+3That site acts as if Apple has never taken ideas from any other good software company. Yes I said good company now what. (waits to get buried). Yes i run Windows Vista.
- Vich, on 11/12/2008, -2/+4Microsoft should have "embraced" more features from other operating systems in Vista instead of trying to create alternative, but useless features like Flip 3D.
- inactive, on 11/11/2008, -5/+7WTF are you talking about? The Mac OS, after all these years, doesn't even have a way to uninstall apps. This feature has been routine on Windows for over a decade.
And don't trot out the tired old ***** about just dragging apps to the trash, because they leave frameworks and receipts all over the damned place. - locojones, on 11/12/2008, -0/+2Yeah Apple might want to look at a little thing called Handango before they go spouting off BS about things they didn't invent.
- inactive, on 11/12/2008, -0/+2Because we all know an app store isn't a natural step for software developers...
- kronix2, on 11/12/2008, -1/+3"Basically they keep DirectX locked in to Windows"
What, you expected Microsoft to devote resources to porting DirectX and any dependencies to OSX and Linux?
Why don't you ask Apple why they keep OSX locked to Apple hardware? Why don't they release a version of Boot Camp which lets PC users dual boot Windows and OSX? - DotNetWill, on 11/12/2008, -0/+2Yeah i mean it's rubbish how MS don't want to pull the rug out from under ten of millions of websites and intranets that only function correctly under the trident engine. Imagine that wanting customers to have a good experience.
Personally, i'll never understand why they are 'standards' when the only the smallest part of the market uses them. Just because W3C decided this is the best way of doing it doesn't mean that's the way it should be done. - A11YND, on 11/12/2008, -1/+3The entire Cleveland school system uses outdated and refurbished Macs in grades k-8 because Apple gives them major price cuts, my sister's school is full of old iMacs (the ugly ass ones.) that are running 10.2.8
Apple is the one who gives school "bribes" in the form of old hardware or inferior products. Also, Why would Mircosoft port DirectX? Thats a windows api I believe, it'd make no sense to port it to OSX, thats like asking Apple to port Quartz Extreme to Windows. - Vich, on 11/12/2008, -4/+6and apple keeps ripping off unix/linux and other open source projects.
It's a vicious cycle of Microsoft stealing Apple's flashy gadgets to try to be cool, Apple taking innovative ideas and code bases from Linux/open source to save money and Linux taking Windows interfaces and api to try and allow users to transition from Windows to Linux. - hardeep1singh, on 11/12/2008, -0/+2App Store is a refined copy of Nokia Download!
- Logicexe, on 11/12/2008, -0/+2Am I the only one who doesn't really care where a software company gets its ideas from? Unless they're doing a straight ripoff of the original company's source code what's the problem? What's wrong with taking an existing idea and building on it? We all benefit with better products in the end.
- ByteGuerilla, on 11/12/2008, -0/+2Can I suggest a pot of tea sir?
- insomniac8400, on 11/12/2008, -0/+1Windows mobile is damn good. You can make all the apps you want for it. It isn't being used because like lots of things microsoft does, they never seem to promote the few good things they offer. There isn't a damn thing the iphone does that cannot be mimicked on windows mobile. And with windows mobile you can sell apps via third parties(the way it is done now) and apps do not need to be preapproved.
- zohaibusman, on 11/12/2008, -1/+2ya ya follow the good ones
- insomniac8400, on 11/12/2008, -0/+1Please explain how " the direct-to-customer software distribution model pioneered by the App Store" is a technology that hasn't been done? Verizon had their crap music store and other stupid verizon branded crap before the iphone was even out. And it's a joke to think a concept is new once moved from the pc to a phone.
- ShrimpCrackers, on 11/12/2008, -0/+1Microsoft has a tiny advertising budget compared to many companies out there, HP, Apple, even Sony. Even the Zune doesn't even get a third of what Apple gets for the iPod. What Microsoft spends on ads is peanuts compared to the amount they spent on development.
- AutoTom, on 11/12/2008, -1/+2yeah, it seems like microsoft is focusing more on advertising and seling than creating a great product..
really disappointing stuff, i hope to see a full re-shuffle of the board of directors, Microsoft needs to take a new direction. -
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