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- teh_spazz, on 09/19/2008, -6/+192Competition, do you speak it *****?
- inactive, on 09/19/2008, -19/+200It's Microsoft's fault that Apple is behind the curve? Or that Jobs decided to give his customers 'good enough' instead of 'the best' until forced by a competitive product to rethink his plans? I say every 16gb iPod purchaser should write Microsoft a thank you letter for getting Apple to make a product that it should have planned in the first place.
- nickert0n, on 09/19/2008, -5/+75Even if it was Microsoft's fault, its the nature of the business.
Suck it up pansies. - Sonan, on 09/19/2008, -1/+57That's what the green thumbs up button is for.
- razzel, on 09/19/2008, -4/+51Interesting article. Just another reason why a competitive market is a benefit to the average consumer. Thank Microsoft for bringing a better Apple product.
- inactive, on 09/19/2008, -4/+38Like the stupidity of Apple fanboys calling Microsoft 'Evil' for so long. I agree. But you can't have it both ways, so either it's just business on both companies parts all along, or it's Jobs showing his true colors. Hurts when the screw turns, don't it?
- ashura001, on 09/19/2008, -1/+33What's so shoddy about the Zune?
It offers more functionality than the non-touch iPods and is very easy to use.
Most other Zune owners I've met would tend to agree. Actually, scratch that, most people that I've let play with mine for a few minutes tend to agree on that one. - FredFredrickson, on 09/19/2008, -6/+37Apple needs more competition in the MP3 player market, and hopefully Microsoft (or someone else) steps up to the plate and delivers. Currently I'm planning on picking up a Zune when my iPod fails. We'll see if that changes between now and the end of my iPod's life.
- eSentrik, on 09/19/2008, -2/+32Say Apple again! I dare you! I double dare you mother *****! Say Apple one more God damn time!
- brstilson, on 09/19/2008, -2/+27Give it time. Microsoft has the funds to stay in any given market for a VERY long time even with constant losses. Remember when people laughed at the idea of the Xbox being a threat to the PS2? It wasn't, BUT in the current generation it is slaughtering Sony in sales. A few years ago, Sony was the absolute giant in the console market. The PS1 gave them a meteoric rise not unlike how the 2nd Jobs era gave rise to the current records Apple is experiencing.
The current generation of the Zune may not have any chance of overtaking the iPod, and the next generation probably won't either, but eventually, it will be a serious contender in the market in whatever iteration it evolves into, simply by virtue of Microsoft's tremendous staying power. - G001, on 09/19/2008, -1/+26Use a Zune before you call it shoddy. I've had one from the beginning and am very happy with it. The only thing I would consider shoddy would be the 1.0 desktop software, though the firmware was good back then. Since 2.0 everything's been very polished.
Now we're on 3.0 which I got for free even though I'm still using the original 30GB device I bought when it first came out. - SonicAD, on 09/19/2008, -3/+28Agreed with above.
- CMiYC, on 09/19/2008, -8/+32Read Marketing Warfare and you'll understand.
When you are the market leader, by a significant share, you do not listen to customers. You listen to your competition. You are not in a position to offer the "best" products. Instead you only need to offer products better than your competitors.
In fact, the market leader will often have innovations or possible marketing leading specs, "on the shelf." The 16GB version of the Nano is an excellent example. Apple was ready to respond to a threat like the 16GB Zune. Until news came of the Zune, Apple had no reason to execute on their plan.
Pick any industry or market segment and you'll see the trend. The #1 market leader (if leading by significant share) will only offer incremental updates to its product line. Meanwhile the #2 and #3 players offer true product innovations. - trollick, on 09/19/2008, -6/+26I blame Bush and Global Warming.
- paullyvenne, on 09/19/2008, -1/+20"I'm a PC and I hate your guts!"
- DanBoodro, on 09/19/2008, -2/+20Hey man, you have to admit, the Zune has come a long way since its first announcement. Obviously it's nowhere near the iPod's popularity and has a fan base is considerably smaller, it's starting to gain slowly. I myself would pick the iPod because I'm very pleased with Apple's products, but you find more and more people asking, "Should I get a Zune or an iPod?". And right now, it's basically based on preference rather than which one is "better" in terms of technology.
- whiteyMcBrown, on 09/19/2008, -4/+20Some people need to work on their reading comprehension. What the article says is that Apple was going to release Nanos at 4 and 8 gig models. Microsoft was releasing 16GB, so Apple upped their nanos to also be 16GB... There's no war.. there's no Apple blaming Microsoft for anything... Even the basis of the article is speculation. All we know is that there is some delay in 16GB nanos to some people in Europe... This very well could just be higher than expected demand.
- inactive, on 09/19/2008, -1/+15Zune is actually a better player than it's iPod competition (especially with version 3 out). In fact, (unbiased) reviews have stated that features of the Zune software are actually better than iTunes. Until MS gets the marketing department up to par they won't be doing much more than their 2% market share. Outside of that, Creative and Sandisk are pretty much after thoughts unless you're talking about cheap, all but disposable mp3 players.
- toxicityj, on 09/19/2008, -3/+14if by tricked into likign you mean forced to actually use a product before forming an opinion about it...
- drlha, on 09/19/2008, -0/+9Its all about perception. Xbox360 is perceived by you and many others "slaughtering" the PS3, but only in reality has sold about 30% more units than the PS3 worldwide, with the PS3 current gaining on it and has sold more consoles since its launch than Xbox360 did at the same point in time after it's launch.
If the Zune was doing as well as the PS3 is compared to the Xbox360, Apple would have some real cause for concern. - pintomp3, on 09/19/2008, -2/+11"Apple was ready to respond to a threat like the 16GB Zune." apparently not.
- GoingPostal, on 09/19/2008, -0/+8I love my 30 gig Zune. The new firmware and software are great. They keep adding features at no additional cost. And when the headphone jack broke (my fault), Microsoft express shipped a box and payed the freight both ways to get it replaced. Also when the mini jack on the stock ear buds started to short out, I called Microsoft and they sent me a pair of the premium ear buds for free. When my stepson's ipod broke, Apple charge me for shipping and handling, even though it was a warranty repair.
- ZoRob, on 09/19/2008, -2/+10I own an 8GB Zune and I like it a whole lot more than my 2nd gen Nano. I think Microsoft is doing a great job with the Zune and it's here to stay so to say that competition is a "headache" is just dumb.
- cmjM67, on 09/19/2008, -1/+9my first gen nano still works
stop sitting on yours - kingmanic, on 09/19/2008, -0/+8Competition is great for consumers. I don't own a zune but it might not be a bad idea to support competition.
- drlha, on 09/19/2008, -0/+8Calm down, the original post was talking about the Zune's threat in terms of sales, not whether or not the Zune is better than the iPod. You can't dispute that the Zune's sales are nowhere near approaching that of the iPod's.
- chanop, on 09/19/2008, -1/+8stupid indeed........
- jakem1, on 09/19/2008, -0/+7One things certain. It would have been very interesting if Microsoft had delayed their announcement until the day after Apple's release.
- thesledman, on 09/19/2008, -2/+9A quick Google tells me that over 22 million people own/use Apple computers before Leopard(OS 10.5) was released. Not every Mac owner is an Apple fanatic despite what the very vocal minority on Digg may lead you to believe.
I purchased a Zune when they first came out and thought it was great. I really liked the features it had that the iPod didn't. Turns out I had no need for a mp3 player so I returned it. If I ever found a need for one I would certainly have Zune as my first choice as the features have gotten even better. I have a windows laptop and an iMac desktop. I prefer to keep my music on the mac. That's going to be a HUGE factor when shopping players.
My guess is that because Zune relies so heavily on Windows Media Player its more then just a simple bit of software. WMP is built into the very core of windows.
You don't purposely deny access to your product to over 22 million people when your trying to break into the mp3 player market. Money is not an issue for Microsoft, Its hard to believe that they have a Mac dev team and cant knock this out in a matter of months.Thats just not good business, - ejkeebler, on 09/19/2008, -3/+10All they are trying to say, is they believe they were going to release a 4GB version and an 8GB version, but with the zune announcement it forced apple to go to 8GB and 16GB, I don't think they are trying to say microsoft did anything wrong, just that they forced jobs hand......
- chkdg8, on 09/19/2008, -10/+16"The Zune has a long way to go to become a threat to the iPod," wrote the news agency's Rachel Metz. "But it is getting closer."
WTF? Is she serious? - TeraRealm256, on 09/19/2008, -7/+13buried for trying to shift blame from the "holy and perfect" apple to microsoft!
- Dymphna, on 09/19/2008, -6/+12Have you tried getting it serviced? Apple will replace it for free, should swing by an apple store and have it checked out, never had any problem with mine. Guessing you got a defective one
- Commodus, on 09/19/2008, -2/+8It's called interface and software. That's why Microsoft, SanDisk, and others are continuing to struggle despite supposedly having better players. When the interface hurts and the software to load it up is weak, it doesn't matter if you have an FM tuner, voice recording, and a waffle iron -- people won't want to use it.
- bgii2000, on 09/19/2008, -0/+6Remind me again: how is this Microsoft's fault?
- MindTrigger, on 09/19/2008, -2/+7Apple buyers are getting boned when it comes to WiFi support. Apple has no valid reason for delaying this feature other than so they can make some giant hyped marketing announcement of this 'revolutionary feature' and then charge more for it by forcing people to purchase yet another ipod iteration. Don't get me wrong, I own about 4 ipods for various purposes, but I'm considering a Zune now because of the WiFi and the principle.
- inactive, on 09/19/2008, -1/+6i have the brown Zune and it's not that bad...I have also an iPod - I keep switching them as I like both of them...I like the cool wifi feature in the Zune -
but the Zune now with it's new 3.0 firmware is very very attractive...
can't we all get along.... - Macskeeball, on 09/19/2008, -0/+5I blame it on the notorious impact that the harp had on the wild west and its paper airplane industry.
- jellygraph, on 09/19/2008, -0/+5haha, you suck.
- projjalc, on 09/19/2008, -0/+5Have you used a metaphor before? It needs to have some sort of analogous relationship to whatever it's trying to describe. Also, I can't imagine anything that could be explained using pantless rope climbing.
- web2pointYo, on 09/19/2008, -0/+5This is exactly why I fear a one search engine world. All seems well now, but if they decide to give you something, you'd better like it, cause there ain't no other choice.
- drlha, on 09/19/2008, -0/+5I'm sorry but I have to laugh at you moaning about Leopard not running on a G4 (it only doesn't run on slower than 867Mhz G4s, machines that were discontinued about 5 years ago). Have you run Vista on an Intel processor as slow as a 867Mhz G4 is? Is it even possible?
- MacParrot, on 09/19/2008, -1/+6Riiiiight AtraNox, because there is absolutely no way to move non-DRMed content from iTunes to another player. And before you go off about Apple's DRM, remember that it's the studios that insist it be there not Apple.
Apple of course with all it's public statements about selling non-DRM content aside, has to be pleased that the studios are stupid enough to not allow iTunes to sell it without that same DRM. Keeps people buying iPods. If the studios really wanted to level the playing field, they would take off the DRM on ALL audio content. More people might buy players other than iPods if they could move all their content to wherever. - gregotte, on 09/19/2008, -2/+7I like the face that I can get all of the new Zune features without buying a new Zune. I don't think Apple can afford to do this. All they keep doing is adding "fins" to there models.
- AtraNoxVII, on 09/19/2008, -2/+7S. Jobs: "So gentlemen... we have a software/hardware combination that is just good enough for the competition and we are under budget. What do we do?"
Apple Board Member: "I know...let's make it look pretty, go over budget, pass the cost onto the consumer when they could've had a more remarkable (yet not so sexy looking) device for the same price or less, and call it a day!"
S. Jobs: "No, my friend, call it an iPod!" - ryanhayn, on 09/19/2008, -6/+11FWIW - I was going to buy a Zune until I found out it was Windows only...so I bought a Nano. I use Mac OS.
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