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- kalleanka, on 10/12/2007, -25/+213WOW.... Another I-hate-company-X-and-want-to-trash-it-blog that has done no research whatsoever.
I have marked this article as inaccurate:
Read the third comment in the blog:
"I’m not sure if this is the case, but previously when I would here someone stated that “those icons are Mac-ish” or “Windows stole those icons”, I figured out that neither group designed their own icons and most of the work was done by the same company, IconFactory. Since this single company is creating for both OSes, we have reason to believe that both will look similar and neither is copying."
Now take a look here:
http://iconfactory.com/design/clients
Seems both Microsoft and Apple are their customer. I don't doubt for a second that they have given/licensed/whatever the same icon to both companies, and hence neither company have "stolen" the icon. Microsoft employees are highly paid and skilled professionals and I doubt that "some kid at Microsoft" stole the image and then "bragged to his boss".
Marked as inaccurate. - canon123, on 10/12/2007, -36/+203Too bad neither Apple nor MS designed it. It was done by a 3rd party.
Nothing to see here, move along. - zeptobyte, on 10/12/2007, -16/+45Now I find it hard to believe that *all* 12 of them were originally iPod users.
- ozid, on 10/12/2007, -9/+37@shrimpdesign
maybe in some "ploy" to earn extra money for less work, iconfactory sold the same icon to more than one person.
it might sound crazy to you, but businesses generally do things like this. "respectable" or not. - estvir, on 10/12/2007, -19/+44Microsoft != A single designer but than again, you guys are horribly desperate so I guess it'll fly. :o
- autoy, on 10/12/2007, -12/+31The original article from John Gruber's fireball is always a better read:
http://daringfireball.net/2006/12/microsoft_workgroup_manager_icon - WoWKodos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17The Iconfactory has posted an official statement regarding this matter. You can read it here:
http://iconfactory.com/home/permalink/1754 - Marshalrusty, on 10/12/2007, -9/+25Either that or this was just an attempt to badmouth Microsoft.
After all, the article isn't exactly on an objective site... - Brian48216, on 10/12/2007, -7/+23Has it ever occurred that maybe...just MAYBE, both Apple and MS got their icons from iconfactory or some company that just has icons hangin out for them to use?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+23Yeah, there is no chance that there could've been another source of the icon - such as stock art.
The designer could have went to the Apple site and ripped off the icon, or he could have used the same stock art CD or website that the Apple designer used .... we don't know. - joshuakuhn, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Wow, effing no one even reads article or article's comments... Both companies icons were most likely designed by the "IconFactory" or some other company doing that full time...
Think about it... A few thousand once and have all your icons or $30,000+ per year for someone fulltime. Hmm, Which would you choose? - arthurbarnhouse, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18From one linux user to another: Please shut the hell up.
- nox327, on 10/12/2007, -12/+25Did you even look at the IconFactory website. It clearly states Freeware.
http://iconfactory.com/freeware/preview/agua - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -16/+28Why has this hit the front page AGAIN.
Its very obvious that this is just a photochop job done by some talentless apple lover.
Don't believe me? Check out the bottom of the so-called copied icon and notice how the 'chopper' hasn't cropped it correctly and there seems to be a bit of the bottom missing!
If this isn't a prime example of some lunatic fanboy like Daniel Eran trying to make MS look evil and apple like a saint I don't know what is.
Just take a look at all the comments by people who use the old 'M$'. Sure, I'll trust their opinion about this matter, coz using $ instead of 'S' is just so mature and smart!!! - Judge373, on 10/12/2007, -8/+19Ummm, how about a reference for this bold claim? I'll believe it when I see some proof.
BTW, an Astroturf campaign is a fake grass-roots movement, which would mean that Apple staged it, not "Apple's loyal lemming" (sic). Any "campaign" started by "Apple lemmings" would, by definition, be legitimately a grass-roots campaign.
Also, from everything I've seen, all the negative press and articles about the Zune have come from a large number of neutral sites or newspapers, such as the WSJ, Engadget, etc...are they all Apple lemmings too? The Apple sites just enjoy linking to the negative reviews :-) - ZackS, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Buried as inaccurate. The icon was made by iconfactory and sold to both Apple and Microsoft. Why are people... you know what. I'll stop this sentence here. This conversation never goes anywhere productive.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Wow...less than 12 hours after everyone DEFENDED Google for blatantly copying Yahoo and now this...Digg isn't even trying to hide its hypocrisy now.
- Quag, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11It's on the net so it must be true!
- MrViklund, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15Yes, that's right and I don't think Apple really care. But it's highly embarrassing for Microsoft and the developer that created the page. I guess he thought that the Icon looked Vista-like, I mean OSX like... :)
- Puwwy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Wow do i love it when fan boys trying to discredit one thing or another. Unless a big scandal occurs where Microsoft sells an iPod and calls it a Zune then please post on Digg but don't post some little icon to try and discredit Microsoft because you don't like their products.
- Saiing, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10>This is way more than “inspiration” here. This is some kid at Microsoft
>going to the Apple site, saving the image to the Microsoft server,
>and then bragging to his boss that he just whipped up the icon. Pathetic
This is way more than "fanboyism" here. This is some kid in his bedroom
going to the Microsoft site, saving the image to his PC and then bragging to
Digg users that he has a real story. Pathetic. - interrogate, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12"Microsoft = a groveling horde of bureaucratic losers that can do nothing right without Chairman Gates, their malevolent mastermind, micromanaging their every move."
Otherwise known as a "company". - WoWKodos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7The Iconfactory has posted an official statement regarding this matter. You can read it here:
http://iconfactory.com/home/permalink/1754 - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8It's not a stock art. It's based on icons that have been used in OS X going back to at least 2001.
http://computing.fandm.edu/training/osx/images/prefsnew.jpg
The "man" silhouette is the one Apple uses to represent user accounts. The colors are the two "Blue" and "Graphite" color schemes in Aqua,
http://computing.fandm.edu/training/osx/images/prefs_myaccount.jpg
And the second icon on Apple's page is the same blue globe they use for network preferences.
http://computing.fandm.edu/training/osx/images/prefs_internet.jpg - evilspoons, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13It sounds to me like they simply bought the same icon from the same source.
- Picard102, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12Inaccurate fanboy stupidity. Dugg down as such.
- Quix, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12"But the Zune has the Mac community terrified."
Ahhh, no matter how many times I hear that joke, it's funny every time. - knupso, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Liar
- nox327, on 10/12/2007, -9/+14Who said it was Aqua, I never said that, but what I am saying is that the globe is exactly what apple has on their website, next to the icon is question.
Compare:
http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/
and
http://iconfactory.com/freeware/preview/agua
the globe is very similar, which means that Apple worked with IconFactory to create some of their icons. That is all I am saying - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5It's not stock art. The "man" silhouette is the one Apple uses to represent user accounts. It's very recognizable (to OS X users).
- arthurbarnhouse, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"digg" isn't a single entity. digg users are only hypocrites if that individual says contradictory things from article to article.
- 8bit_Hero, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11@ MrViklund
in regards to giving universal $1
I'm happy to! It was obviously a MS move to shake up stuff. With a big player like MS in the game now Apple better be worried. they are the market share leader but MS is going to try to get as much as possible. With Apple actually having to compete with another company means that they will have to innovate even more and in the end that's a plus for everybody.
BTW: all this Apple fanboy and MS hating is stupid. it's funny when they talk about MS being the bad guy when Apple currently has the DAP market locked down with iTunes. MS/Zune haters cry "DRM" but isn't it Apple that is unwilling to let anyone play along with itunes or iPod? - coffinf33der, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8its just an icon, who cares.
- inobla, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7This is atrociously lame. More zealot propaganda carried out and dugg up by blind sheep fanboys on their campaign if ignorance.
They're getting worse than the front-door vulture missionaries on my street that won't go away...you know, the folks that don't listen when you tell them, "Tried it, used to be one, didn't like it, found something better, I don't buy into the crap,.." etc.
But I'm sure everyone who clicked to digg this crap article felt a nice artificial swell of pride.... - lotuseater, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Where did you get this ***** about a "bragging designer kid"? It is really quite sad to get so worked up and angry over the corporation which rivals the company whose products you choose to consume.
- tobyjoe, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7"But the Zune has the Mac community terrified"
Terrified of WHAT? What is the threat? Why am I terrified of what someone else purchases (aside from nuclear material)?
Would diversity in the market mean that I won't be able to use the gadgets and tools I prefer?
Call me crazy, but doesn't it stand to reason that diversity in the market would allow me to use the gadgets and tools I prefer at a lower cost and with new features driven by competition?
Name any single thing any Apple user has to fear by competition. - mattclare, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Looks like Microsoft has changed it:
http://www.microsoft.com/smallbusiness/products/windows-vista/default.aspx
Click the "buy" tab. - Septimus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8I agree. I really dislike the Mac community because of, I'm guessing, the minority, but they are louder than the majority.
I just use mine without trying to convert people....
As to the article. F**king lame. - MrViklund, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@ 8bit_Hero
The 3x3 time frame is DRM to me. And if you are sending a Creative Commons files Microsoft is breaking the license when adding DRM. And, I don't think Apple have to be worried. This is yet another unfocused move by Microsoft. They can't stand see other companies making money so they just feel that they have to step into this market. Apple is competing with other players all the time and have done so since iPod was launched. The difference is that iPod have succeeded, the other players have not. Zune can do allot, but "do allot" can't compete with iPod. There are plenty of players out there that can do 10x what Zune can't but iPod still dominates.
And. You can't really compare the iPod with the Zune. Of course people will make the comparison because iPod is so dominant but Zune is not an iPod killer, it's another type of device. iPod is a Music player, Zune is a Multimedia player and if they are aiming for the iPod they are missing their market with light years.
Finally. Apple doesn't allow anyone to play along with iPod/iTunes, but Micrsoft won't allow anyone to play along with Zune either so they are just as bad as Apple if you want. And Zune won't support PlayforSure, what the hell is that. ust that scares me off. If I had bought some PlayforSure I would have been pissed right now. Nono, it will take allot from Microsoft to convince me about their dedication and they are bound to lose a tones of money stepping into this market.
Conclusion. Microsoft is really a company with focus problems desperately trying to find new revenue streams. Zune won't be anything big for a company of Micrsoft's size. Screwing their partners over in the process isn't a good thing either. - sirdaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yes WowKodos has the link.. up a few comments...
http://iconfactory.com/home/permalink/1754 - superic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Did everyone miss the comment on IconFactory's website?
(copy/paste from their page)
...
We thought we should post a quick blurb to respond to most of the comments referencing us. We had nothing to do with the icon in question. To our knowledge it is an Apple icon that has been used in Mac OS X Server software for years and was created by designers at Apple.
... - 8bit_Hero, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11@ MrViklund and all others in the dark
Zune does not place DRM on songs that you load on the player (if you download from the zune marketplace, they have DRM but so does the iTMS). It marks songs that are "received" with their 3x3 time frame. it's pretty simple. once the 3x3 is up it deletes the track and saves the track history. - BGog, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12Did it ever occur to you that they may have gotten the icon from the same graphics library. You know web designers don't ALWAYS draw every graphic by hand. There are libraries of thousands of images for every occasion.
Oh and just in case you didn't know, Santa was your dad. - MrViklund, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@ ArnoldTPants
Ok. Apparently Zune does not add DRM to Mp3-files you transfer from your computer. But saying that people would say so just because they don't want people to buy a Zune is just BS. Maybe they are misinformed too. But none the less, the 3x3 frame is DRM enough to me and makes the feature useless since you can't use it to transfer legally bought music or Creative commons files to another Zune device. As I said before. If the Zune had come without the 3x3 frame and the 1dollar issue, I would have been interested. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"No, Universal wanted the $1 fee because it feels it's entitled to punish paying customers to make up for piracy. Microsoft had no sway in the DAP and online music market, so they had to bow to Universal's demands"
to top it off last time I checked Jobs refused to raise the 99 cent price when the industry tried to force apple to ask more from their customers and have pretty much called the industry greedy and will probably more than likely deny giving any kind of percenatage to companies like Universal from their iPod sales. - tobyjoe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"you mean like market share of their Mac OS?"
First, how does diversity in an MP3 player market limit market share of OS X?
Second, call me crazy, but doesn't it stand to reason that diversity in the market would allow me to use the gadgets and tools I prefer at a lower cost and with new features driven by competition? - 8bit_Hero, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@ MrViklund
in regards to giving universial $1
I'm happy to! It was obviously a MS move to shake up stuff. With a big player like MS in the game now Apple better be worried. they are the marketshare leader but MS is going to try to get as much as possible. With Apple actually having to compete with another company means that they will have to innovate even more and in the end thats a plus for everybody.
BTW: all this Apple fanboy and MS hating is stupid. it's funny when they talk about MS being the bad guy when Apple currently has the DAP market locked down with iTunes. MS/Zune haters cry "DRM" but isn't it Apple that is unwilling to let anyone play along with itunes or iPod? - bj00rn, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8You Apple fanboys kind of make me regret that I just bought a new Mac... Extremists of any kind make me cringe, and Apple has its kind obviously...
- aaronm67, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8I call bull *****.
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