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- XVampireX, on 10/12/2007, -13/+89And with that, I bid you farewell.
- Quix, on 10/12/2007, -14/+71Ah, yet more disingenuous doublespeak from Microsoft (no surprise). I love this gem:
"They really don't want to license FairPlay, for whatever reason. We don't completely understand that, but OK. We've been very focused on producing a DRM system. We're willing to license it across the board."
Hmm, tell me, Microsoft, how many companies are you going to license the Zune ecosystem to? Yeah, that's what I thought. Talk about playing both sides of the fence.
Microsoft loves DRM, as long as it's theirs. - knomevol, on 10/12/2007, -13/+47aye, none too soon.
i vote we all grab an instrument and start the recordings. absolutely love listening to music, don't mind at all paying for it, but i won't have my use of it restricted, and i won't support those who do the restricting.
on that note, the boycott of the music industry continues - boycotting microsoft is long overdue icing on the cake. i giggle with glee every time i talk someone out of a windows server in favor of some flavor of unix. tee hee hee! - Quix, on 10/12/2007, -4/+35This doesn't jibe well with Gates' anti-DRM statement of a few months back. Something about DRM being "broken?"
- NSResponder, on 10/12/2007, -3/+33"All companies like DRM"
Nope. Hardware companies would love to ditch it altogether. It's expensive, it irritates the customers, and it doesn't even accomplish its stated goal.
-jcr - GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -17/+45All companies like DRM. All consumers don't. Don't try and play this off as something only Microsoft is doing -- in a perfect world, there would be no DRM, right? Well to any corporation, in a perfect world all of their products would have DRM. The only companies that don't use DRM don't use it because consumers go up in arms. The companies WANT DRM, as it protects their profits, but they won't always use it because it ***** us, the consumers, over.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+29People: We don't--Digg
- randomgeek, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24Oh sure, MS loves to license their DRM. They licensed PlaysForSure "all across the board" and look what happened, they developed the Zune and left everyone else holding the bag. The Zune basically competes with their own previous DRM.
Even if they did want to license the Zune DRM who would want it after how they were treated the first time? - Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -7/+27EpLawLess.
Apple didn't lace their DRM through out their OS. It's ONLY in the application that connects to their music store.
I can use another peice of software for my music and the DRM is never brought into play.
It's the difference between Apple and M$ is the difference between Caveat Emptor, and a police state. - totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21Bill Gates: Microsoft's Past
Steve Ballmer and Ray Ozzie: Microsoft's Present
JAllard and Robbie Bach: Microsoft's Future - Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -7/+26No GawtMik. The ones that don't use it don't do so because it COSTS them more money in lost sales than it "saves" them in piracy.
This is why Microsoft is a bad guy. They have enough market share and muscle to basically FORCE us into accepting their DRM. Their monopolistic tactics have put us at their mercy.
We, as consumers, need to fight back and fight back hard. That means taking a stand against their products with DRM, and supporting alternatives that don't have it. like Linux. - freestyle, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24And that would be the reason why MS has a 0.1% marketshare in digital music players.
- astrosmash, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23You Microsoft apologists make me sick. You're pathetic.
- DJCult, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21"But Microsoft, which began competing head to head with Apple in the digital music business last fall,"
Head to head? More like foot to ass. How are they neck and neck? - hackwrench, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Reading these things is like poking a sore to see if it still hurts.
And yes, it does. - jman8888, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20I dont get why they even put drm in in the first place. What if i buy a Realplayer song but wanna play it in My other Mp3? Or put it in a video? Or anything? Then i pirate it.
I bet half the pirates actually legally own the stuff. - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16JAllard and Robbie Bach: Microsoft's demise.
That is, if what Bach said about DRM is anything to go by. That is entirely the wrong attitude to have.
MS doesn't seem to realize that there are alternatives to its tyranny. The more MS harasses its customers, the more will move towards the alternatives.
Keep it up, you MS fascists. Those billions you have stockpiled will disappear faster than you think. - raid517, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14That's the thing though isn't it. Microsoft and several other companies like DRM and think that they can make it work. However they have missed one small point - and that is that the consumer almost universally does not like DRM and have not embraced DRM schemes.
They think they can force DRM down our throats and make us chew on it.
But the cracks may be starting to appear. Tell your all your non tech friends about DRM and about the kinds of restrictions it poses on them - and tell them to only use sources that avoid using it.
I don't think it matters too much at this time what the 'legality' of those sources might be - as it is this that is causing many companies to think again about DRM. But so long as it can be made clear to the recording industry just how much DRM has failed - then I think we are in for the prospect of some real and profound changes of the kind that many of us have been advocating for a very long time.
It's not the consumer who needs to change and do things the recording industry's way - it's the recording industry that needs to change and do it the consumer's way.
This is also why devices like the Zune need to fail too - because if that kind of DRM restriction became universal, the fight over DRM will have been lost and organisations like the RIAA and MPAA etc will have won.
We cannot let that happen. - DeFex, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16yes because everyone knows that market share has anything to do with quality. is there anything where the most popular one is the best?
cars..no
music ..top 40 no
food..mcdognads..no
operating systems..no - pamon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14and based on their Zune sales and platform that DRM statement will put the Zune in the coffin.
- johnshooter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Well someone needs to tell Microsoft to stick to one answer; Bach is saying no to DRM while Bill Gates has already agreed publicly that DRM is lame ass.
http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/14/bill-gates-on-the-future-of-drm/
Some executive at Microsoft needs to ensure everyone is singing the same tune because it sure makes them look stupid when they can't get their ass in gear and share one voice. - astrosmash, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12@geronimo
Just so we're clear, Apple's dominance in both the MP3 player market and the on-line music sales market has *nothing* to do with the DRM that was mandated by the music copyright holders.
While every other tech company, including Microsoft, bends over backwards to appease the RIAA, Apple is literally the *only* one to stand up to them. Whether it's demanding fixed 99 cent/10$ per album pricing, demanding fair use rights protection such as multiple song copies between computers/iPods and DRM-free CD burning, or publicly calling for and end to DRM music. The RIAA hates Apple.
Show me a large tech company that has done more to protect *your* fair-use rights with respect to music. - DarkSideofMoon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Anybody else think his (PS3 + Wii) < XBox 360 sales during the holidays statement is pure, ***** *****? Overall, ya, you got it kid... you beat 'em. But over the holidays, hasn't the Wii sold like 4 million units? And the 360 just past 10 million a couple weeks ago... after being on the market for over a bloody year!
I wish executives would take a dose of reality and just come out and say "alright, well *****... Company X beat the pants off of us... there's a lesson to be learned here."
Instead they pump this ***** corporate-speak that drives the bile outta my throat. Hope that's a good visual... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Microsoft sucking up to the movie studio and record labels, a group that has tried to kill or cripple just about every major advance in technology dealing with video or audio before eventually accepting it. I haven't heard anything good about PlaysForSure, I have however heard that it's a pain in the ass. Next version of the Zune, even more crippled?
- monkeyrun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Read the article. Jobs laid everything out on the table pretty clearly.
- springah, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16Topic: News » Technology » Apple
Wha? - Me1000, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14So is apple!
- MedicineMan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11"Right now, I can tell you that the Zune team is really focused on producing great innovation in the music device space. When you have a guy who has 80% market share and has sold as many devices as Apple has, you gotta be focused on home cooking, so to speak. I wouldn't expect there to be much focus beyond what we're trying to do in the core music space."
Trying to make sense of Mr. Bach's mutterings makes my head hurt. - mvent2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8FTA:
"Can we expect a Zune phone next?
Right now, I can tell you that the Zune team is really focused on producing great innovation in the music device space. When you have a guy who has 80% market share and has sold as many devices as Apple has, you gotta be focused on home cooking, so to speak. I wouldn't expect there to be much focus beyond what we're trying to do in the core music space."
Isn't this proof (maybe even an admission but I wouldn't stretch it that far) that Microsoft only attempts to innovate or even improve something if they have strong competition? Sigh, imagine what computers would be like today if BeOS succeeded. - piper999, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14@quix
"Microsoft loves DRM, as long as it's theirs."
I agree with your post but would also like say this is the company that, lest we forget, invented their own DRM scheme then decided "Our own scheme is ***** - we need a replacement" and actually abandoned their OWN DRM scheme (and along with it Rhapsody, Napster, et al).
DRM might kill Microsoft. I can't imagine downgrading my PC to Vista just to boost the DRM on my system. - DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9You've triggered my automatic digg downer for using the word fanboy twice.
- marinist, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9It's rather ironic because any attempt by corporations to limit the freedoms of their customer base only worsens their market share. People always look for the path of greatest ease--and guess where they've found it? When will these guys figure out that nobody cares about their proprietary *****?
- GregR, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@Frebis "If you dont want DRM, download your music for free like the rest of the world. It's not like bittorrent is hard to use."
Or, you could get the music legally by actually purchasing it on CDs.
It's clear that people don't mind a bit of DRM for the convenience of a quick download of a new song. - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9[quote]What I don't understand is how Jobs can say he wants to free up music while a few paragraphs down it clearly states that iTunes music is totally proprietary, playable only on Apple products, and that they refuse to release that restriction?[/quote]
Is there any iTunes exclusivity? No, anyone can still go out and buy a CD, or download music elsewhere. That's why it doesn't matter. But when MS has DRM running in the OS, that's 90% of desktop computer users stuck with MS's DRM, and whatever other "rights management" MS chooses to enforce. That means the industry is stuck with it.
MS doesn't care about DRM, it cares about maintaining control over users and the industry so that Windows is indispensable. MS is like a mafia, unlike iTunes, Vista is an offer you can't refuse.
Or can you? Maybe people will finally decide enough is enough. - understudy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Microsoft should never develop another product until they fix their image. To do that, they need to re-think their world-view---especially on things like security and DRM. But, huge monopolistic corporations tend to have severe difficulty seeing things through a lens other than their established company doctrine.
_ - dtfinch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Of course, they like anything that can lock consumers' media to their platform.
- KrazyA1pha, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10It's clearly in response to a statement by Apple.
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5DRM is "broken" because Microsoft does not have control of it. Bill Gates (and Microsoft) wish to "fix" the situation. Not sure what part is unclear.
- MWeather, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Of course Microsoft likes DRM, they make good money licensing their DRM.
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8@ justnick
You can play the tunes in another player, without DRM. It's called "CD burning".
Even beyond that project Hymn lets you remove the DRM from the AAC files and play them anywhere that plays AAC (including the XBox 360).
By default the Windows ripper encodes with DRM - iTunes never rips using DRM. - pamon, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10if i can buy a cd that's not DRM'd and every other online track is DRM'd. hmmm??
Oh Wait... Microsoft is a music company right? Well... I guess the Zune can play music???
Oh wait... not from itunes, not from rhapsody, no subscription services... oh wait...
Yeah... DRM works for music Microsoft... go ahead and keep thinking that.... - kbear1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Piper, great quote:
"I can't imagine downgrading my PC to Vista" - Hubris, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Does it really need to be an Apple vs Microsoft thing? This should be an issue uniting consumers.
- aristotle0dude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Microsoft loves their DRM because it locks you into the windows platform. Apple's DRM does not guarantee sales of more macs since iTunes is available on windows as well as OS X.
Given that it does not encourage platform lock in, how does it profit Apple to have to continuously update their DRM as others continually crack it? It is a variable cost center that brings in no actual revenue to Apple save for the small amount of money they got on those iTunes powered Motorola phone that were a complete flop.
MSFT, on the other hard, not only benefits from platform lockin but they also make money on licensing the DRM to every Playsforsure portable music player and to every store that uses that technology.
Yes, MSFT loves it because it could bring them a great deal of money if it were not for the success of the iPod.
Apple does not care too much if people buy music on iTMS, eMusic or CDs as long as they are buying iPods. - TdiFFRob6876, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Wow the one thing that Microsoft won't copy from Apple. It's take on DRM for the music download industry.
- jodokast, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7In other words:
Microsoft to RIAA: We'll suck yo dick if you'll be my friend. - Me1000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3not quite buddy, its the record companies that want DRM! not apple, if apple could rid itunes of DRM, then they would sell a lot more songs!
is your vocabulary so limited you have to use the word "fanboys"?? - socketscientist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Anybody else think his (PS3 + Wii) < XBox 360 sales during the holidays statement is pure, ***** *****?"
Heh. He probably got those figures from Ballmer ... who was also claiming a 25% market share for Zune (in the 30GB class) over the holiday period. - brasso, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3They got millions of dollars and yet can’t make anything that is better than a torrent site living on donations? If they want to compete with free, then they better make it good! Give me something like itunes but without drm and with nice prices and I will happily pay, but I will never pay for something that is worse than what I can get by paying nothing at all.
- socketscientist, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"Steve is just out for the little people. That is the real reason why he keeps getting implicated in scandal after scandal, only to make scapegoats out of the little people."
It's conceivable to consider his investigation in connection with options backdating as a "scandal" ... but what of all these other scandals you mention? Care to name a few? And who exactly are all these "little people" who are Steve's scapegoats? Could you name them as well?
Exaggerate much? -
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