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- mathmanjeffy, on 11/07/2007, -11/+166Why do the comments in every Apple story begin with "Well Vista is still worse!" rather than addressing the issue at hand? ANY data-loss for any possibly routine act is a big deal that needs fixing. Articles like these are meant to make people aware of the issue, not downgrade the quality of the product. This isn't a pissing contest, so keep your penises sheathed and no one will get hurt.
- thephosphorbox, on 11/07/2007, -50/+197Buried as inaccurate. No way an Apple product could have bugs, I refuse to believe it.
- TomKarpik, on 11/06/2007, -20/+105After public release is not "early on". This is a stupid bug that should have been caught early in the betas.
If you want to get on the topic of Vista, at least Explorer has competent move operations (not to mention cut/paste). - sdfisher, on 11/07/2007, -6/+77I don't think the Finder move behavior is documented anywhere.
Not that losing the file is acceptable. Apple: Fix it or remove it. - chingy1788, on 11/06/2007, -11/+73horrendous data loss?
time machine to the rescue?
i dunno i dont have a mac... - natenovs, on 11/06/2007, -5/+60schestowitz. that out of memory error is completely different. for starters, no data is lost between the moves. secondly, the error is caused by explorer, but it is aggravated by a specific av product, Kaspersky, and only occurs when copying and extremely large number of files.
this bug, on the other hand, is during a common operation (network transfer that loses a connection) and causes data loss, which is a much bigger problem....and has apparently been in the system since Jaguar. - fucayama, on 11/07/2007, -7/+62It's a feature
- albundy, on 11/06/2007, -15/+61Imagine for a second if this was Vista. It would have 1500 hits.
- DFENS, on 11/06/2007, -23/+64This is actually one helluva 'bug'. I still have yet to find a person who can give me functional reasons to upgrade, and with the (albeit few) 'bugs' appearing, I think i'll pass on this upgrade for the time being.
- joe90210, on 11/06/2007, -0/+40we're talking about data loss here, there is nothing overblown about it, it should never happen.
- bluenullity, on 11/06/2007, -10/+48Now I remember why I blocked schestowitz, because of idiot responses.
- inactive, on 11/06/2007, -7/+43This bug was in Tiger. Look it up. Doing the babbling zealot dance and saying "duh but teh evil vista is teh worser" makes you look more stupid than usual. If that's even possible. I guess hatred does kill off large numbers of brain cells.
- Hosalabad, on 11/06/2007, -18/+49Finder is still a pile of crap in 10.5. Changing the GUI without improving it's functionality was kind of pointless.
- NoNamesLeft, on 11/06/2007, -35/+65To me, this bug only seems to matter if you are running OS X as a server with different server technologies being used, an average user is not going to typically encounter this sequence of events. That being said, yes, they need to sort it out, but I think the bug is being overblown. (awaits digg down)
- antitab, on 11/06/2007, -6/+35This bug does not only effect network shares! I just followed the same process to create Test/ and Command-dragged it into my external hard drive, then, half way in, yanked the USB connection. Same result, although I did get a 0kb file on the external rather than nothing at all.
That said, "Massive Data Loss Bug in Leopard" is a bit extreme. I read the title and freaked out thinking the system was progressively devouring my files for no reason. Fact is people are usually not going to be doing move operations onto mounted disks (Finder defaults to copying to these, you have to hold Command to move) and really shouldn't be, and aside from that it relies on your network/power going out or some other abnormal interference with the connection. That's not saying it's a good thing that doesn't need to be addressed immediately, but let's keep the panic attacks to a minimum. - NetJunkie, on 11/06/2007, -0/+28Don't be so sure. A lot of these "network drives" you see for sale are just small boxes running Linux or BSD using Samba. My Maxtor is like that. I know several normal users that bought these network shared drives.
- MioTheGreat, on 11/07/2007, -7/+32Vista's actually got one of the best security track records in OSes out there right now. The only 'serious' exploits that were actually used in anything other than proof of concept code were stopped by UAC (Without prompts -- Just by the lower IL of the process), if I'm not mistaken.
- carly34, on 11/06/2007, -1/+24You should see him in comp.os.linux.advocacy!! Spamming the entire group with 1000s of posts each month.
He's turned that group into a virtual wasteland of messages with little or no replies. He's also been asked, many times, to group his messages into a digest, maybe even with html hot links, but he refuses because his goal is to pollute the search engines with his name.
I have him filtered in comp.os.linux.advocacy, like most people in the group do. - KanosWRX, on 11/07/2007, -42/+63I have been running leopard since it came out, I must say I am pretty disappointed with this release. It's buggy, it handles shares horrible, 3rd party apps crash a lot more.
Leopard = Windows 98Me. There I said it! - inactive, on 11/06/2007, -1/+21According to his Google profile, he has *forty thousand* (!) posts to COLA alone. Add to that 11,000+ to Digg, and who knows where else. For all we know "he" has a Slashdot account with another five thousand. "He" runs what, like five or six high-volume "boycottX.com" attack blogs?
Does anyone still believe that this "guy" is just a kid getting a masters' degree or whatever he claims he does for a living? Please. Schez smells like paid astroturfers, shills and trolls. - Cl1mh4224rd, on 11/06/2007, -1/+19> "If you are worried about you mounted drives disappearing in mid move, just use copy then delete the old directory."
That's exactly what the damn OS is supposed to do when moving files. - DaffyDuck, on 11/06/2007, -4/+22Time Machine doesn't work over Samba shares. Samba is a networking protocol that allows OS X access to networked shares whether they be drives formatted with NTFS, reiserfs, ext3, etc. So no, it is not a ploy.
- FKnight, on 11/07/2007, -2/+19A lot of people thoroughly back up their data by transferring it via network.
- daldredge, on 11/06/2007, -1/+17What you described is how sane operating systems implement the move command.
- mfearby, on 11/06/2007, -5/+20Coming back with an answer/explanation of "how often..." or "why would..." or "nobody does it..." tells me that you are a Mac fanboy whose brain has lost the ability to think objectively. Just because you don't do things a certain way, doesn't mean that a feature available in Mac OS that's buggy should be cut some slack. It should be fixed or got rid of. Steve Jobs telling everybody that Mac OS is perfect and Windows is crap is just hypocritical.
- mlostracco, on 11/06/2007, -0/+15He should get his internet access taken away by an international court until he revises his web page to look less like some 14-year-old nerd's Web Page 101 assignment, circa 1998—its abominable hideosity nullifies any and all points he has to make on anything tech related: http://schestowitz.com/
- gorndog, on 11/07/2007, -3/+18Oh, I see ... (thanks to Google)
FTFF = Fix The F'ing Finder - milkmage, on 11/06/2007, -1/+15I read about this earlier. Apparently this bug doesn't show up if you copy using command line (mv) - so if mv works on leopard, and this is a finder only thing.. then Apple is alone here and this needs to be fixed ASAP.
- MimeSlayer, on 11/07/2007, -4/+18Holy *****, I actually experienced this exact issue this morning... and in typical Mac fanboyism, I blamed it on myself.
- SaranWrap, on 11/06/2007, -1/+15This actually happened to me while trying to make room on a external drive for TIME MACHINE. My external drive got too hot dismounted and I lost ~30 GB of data that I was moving. I didn't have a great first few days with Leopard. Good news is the new PREVIEW came in very useful when I had to sort through all the nameless restored files from Data Rescue II.
- SIRBERUS, on 11/06/2007, -0/+13Here's my definition of a bug:
Something ***** up (be it small or horrendously massive) when using a feature available in a final release of a product.
So lets see... this is a horrendously massive ***** up... and it is a feature... and it is available in the final release of Leopard.
Yup, its a bug... and a big one at that. - mathmanjeffy, on 11/06/2007, -3/+16You missed the very first comment on this page.
- mathmanjeffy, on 11/06/2007, -0/+13It's sad when every product line needs to be avoided because it's "first gen." What is sadder is the fact that there are very few companies producing software or hardware that that same claim can't be made against.
- ha1f, on 11/06/2007, -3/+16Wow, that article has nothing to do with anything in this story. I wish I could bury*5.
- doctordbx, on 11/06/2007, -1/+13No because NTFS doesn't delete the file until after it has moved.
- joe90210, on 11/07/2007, -12/+24rofl, I love all the apple fanboys dismissing data loss as nothing major and "it'll rarely affect normal users", it reminds me of a battered wife giving excuses to why she doesn't leave her abusive husband
- wethackrey, on 11/07/2007, -2/+14Obviously said by someone who never had to deal witn Windows ME.
- Mudcrutch, on 11/06/2007, -5/+17I have seen that error.. but I didn't notice any data loss. Just the dropped connection.
- manitoba98xp, on 11/06/2007, -0/+11Or you could just copy it, then remove the source. Same result, one less step.
- doctordbx, on 11/06/2007, -0/+10"Only when transferring between a Mac and PC running Windows or Linux."... and that never happens... right?
I don't think you understand the severity of the topic - it is a serious bug. HPFS+ is supposed to prevent this from happening. - devindotcom, on 11/06/2007, -5/+15Time to adjust your sarcasm detector big guy
- GawtMilk, on 11/06/2007, -0/+10Woah there Thomas Edison! You're the first to notice this! You're a genius!
- FatShady, on 11/06/2007, -2/+11I can.
Leopard doesn't list the shares on any of my Windows machines (or, for that matter, the Windows machines themselves). I can connect to them manually by using cifs:///, but the Finder won't let me browse to them. Tiger did this just fine. I've done an upgrade and clean install of Leopard, and neither one can browse to the Windows boxen. File transfers are also painfully slow, but I'm guessing that's because it has to fall back on an older protocol to make the connections. - yournamehere, on 11/06/2007, -1/+10bug deals with Leopard. XP acts correctly.
get over it - REsplin, on 11/07/2007, -13/+21did someone really just brag about having Vista?
- linuxeventually, on 11/06/2007, -2/+1098Me? Do you mean 98 Second Edition or the filth that was Millennium Edition? I'll guess the latter.
- theprez, on 11/06/2007, -0/+8You mean diggs.
- bigsteve, on 11/06/2007, -3/+11It's like rayeeeaaaynne on your wedding daaaay
- darkspire, on 11/06/2007, -0/+8Copying it to a temporary location on the source disk would be a complete waste of I/O as well as time. Simply copying the file first, verifying the copy and deleting it from the source disk is much more logical.
- Arteekay, on 11/06/2007, -0/+8That's the proper procedure for the OS to take, not the user.
I've moved thousands of terabytes over network connections, as have many here.
This is bad on a grand scale, data loss bugs are the pinnacle of badness. -
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