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- Tanbo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12I bet Apple offers the capability to burn to DVD. This is the only reason I could think of that the other studios have not yet signed on.
Amazon was able to get most of the studios to agree - and they don't allow burning.
There's no reason Apple wouldn't have been able to do what Amazon did. Burning has to be the issue. - Dihuko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12I believe this. Howevery, was this pretty much the same thing with the release of TV show downloads around a year ago? Now, after lots of success, there are quite a few major studios signed on.
- sucresemoule, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I think it is a price problem. Apple probably want to sell movies at $9.99 and the studios want more money (example amazon unbox).
- sych0, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Will hollywood and the music industry ever learn?
- Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Exactly. The record labels didn't want iTunes, now they're all over it.
Only Disney (ABC) was available when TV downloads launched (Lost, Desperate Housewives, etc.), now every network offers downloads.
Movies will be no different. Once the other studios smell blood in the water, they'll dive right in. - muaddib420, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5yeah, i think the studios are going to sit out and wait and hedge their bets with the amazon one. i think deep down they know they'll cave in eventually. they just don't wanna look like steve job's whipping boys right from the get go.
- xJudahx, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Umm, American Beauty and Gangs of New York are 2
- fintler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Eh, they'll see how much Disney is making off of it and they'll join on. It'll just take some time.
- xJudahx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It's that the major studios don't want to piss off Wal-Mart, the largest seller of DVDs. If they don't sell your movie, you're screwed to a point.
Also, Jobs is on the Disney board and the largest shareholder, or else they wouldn't be announcing anything. - chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Goodfellas was pretty great aswell. (personal fav)
- ChrisLowder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3i really hope that apple stays the course and doesn't give in to the "major" studios... they really need an education in how the market place works in the 21st century...
- Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Not until they're forced to.
- Greyarea, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Without DRM none of the studios will sign up, and without DRM none of the record labels would sign up. Like it or not (not, obviously) it's here to stay for the time being.
Apple seem to work best at compromise - the DRM in iTMS stuff is restrictive but not cripplingly so. It doesn't, for instance, prevent you from burning your tracks to a CD.
For the Movie store to work then it will *have* to have DRM or there will be no content. Similarly Apple are going to *have* to allow you to burn to DVD or very few people will buy from it. TV episodes are one thing but no-one wants to watch a very-wide screen 3 hour film on an iPod, no matter how big the screen. - johnhummel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'd go one step further.
We know that Nvidia is going to be supplying Apple with chips for the iPod. If Mr. Jobs announces a new iPod, I expect that the Nvidia chip will be a special dedicated MPEG4/h.264 decoder that will allow better quality ramping from small screen to large, so you get - if not HD quality - at least near DVD quality on your TV screen.
Meh - we'll know in a few hours. No big rush. - Escamillo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4CinemaNow.com already offers downloading and burning to DVD, and they have support of all the studios, so I don't think that's the issue.
- vatchea, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2the big problem is here, studios are so reluctant to move with the tide. It takes eons for the major studios to accept a new technology. But you guys are right, as soon as they see the smaller studios and Disney benefiting, they'll be begging to sign on, because if there is money to be made, they'll be there.
- tumult, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It was just like this when the music store first went up. There were only a few labels on board then (granted, that's more than just one movie studio) but it was only a matter of time before the other labels realized how stupid they were acting by not offering their music through the store. I guess Apple is hoping for a similar success here, and if the policies are nice enough to customers, there's a good chance it'll work.
People don't like to put up with restrictive usage on stuff they download. If the terms aren't generous enough, most consumers will look at it and go "so why don't I just buy the DVD?" You only have to look at the myriad digital music services there are today and then at Apple's relatively lenient DRM -- though it's still not nice enough, in my opinion. Nor will it ever be, as long as it exists -- to realize why they're so far in the lead.
Maybe Apple has realized that offering terms that initially scare the slow-to-adapt studios away but attract customers is the better long-term strategy. - DocDEB, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If Apple can pull this off I suspect that in 6-12 months the major studios will be knocking down the doors to get a piece of the action. They will always go where there is a buck to be made.
- xJudahx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2My friend called me coming home from the store yesterday excited about her new nano. I told he not to open it...perhaps a new 8 gig with video announced today?
Not that I'd want to watch video on a nano, that's really small. - neuropsychguy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Donnie Darko and The Jacket are both good too, not to mention the LoTR series, X-Men movies, Spiderman, etc.... There have been a lot of good movies in the last 15 years.
- ibeetle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The iTunes Music Store already has music, comedy albums, and audio books with adult language and general cursing. As well as sexually charges podcast. One thing that would increase Apples market share 100% in 10 minutes would be one thing... Porn.
I am telling you if Apple put VCX's entire hard core adult film library on iTunes Movie Store, and made it only to Macintosh owners there would be a riot at every Apple store trying to get a 24 inch iMac.
Want to know why Apple came out with a 24 inch iMac? Have you ever seen a John Holmes movie? You need a 24 inch widescreen. - fireball74, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why is it that I've read where people won't want to watch movies on their iPod? I have the entire first season of Kyle XY. I hooked my iPod up to the RCA video and audio in, via an adapter, on my vcr and happily watched it. Heh, I ripped Shrek 2 and put it on my iPod just to see if it'd look ok. The quality wasn't horrible if you want to leave your DVD collection at home for a trip.
I've also seen some nice docks that come with remotes that hook up similarly. I'll probably get one of those next. - neuropsychguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I just wanted to point out that either my internet connection is down or Apple is updating the music store because I cannot connect. =)
- Kazaki, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You're not too great with this business thing, are you?
EDIT: Wow, is it just me or is the comment system on crack right now? Why is this comment up here instead of... oh to hell with it. - xJudahx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Your arrogance and ability to be a judgemental ass is astonishing
- Greyarea, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"People don't like to put up with restrictive usage on stuff they download. If the terms aren't generous enough, most consumers will look at it and go "so why don't I just buy the DVD?"
Well yes, that's why I was saying that Apple worked out a fairly good compromise - I've downloaded a fair few tracks from the iTMS and so far the DRM hasn't made itself known to me at all (and this is across two Macs, two iPods and an Airport Express). If they can work out a similar compromise (some DRM but not too restrictive) then it'll be a start.
I strongly suspect that pricing, not DRM, will dictate the success or otherwise of the store though. Here in the UK the average DVD retails for between 12UKP and 20UKP, so in order for me to consider buying from the Store they'd have to sell full length films (with no extras) for about 5UKP (about $10 US) and _even then_ I suspect I'd still get the DVD because I actually quite like looking at a shelf of DVDs. - peter303, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Disney has only third billion dollar movie ever.
Pirates II past the billion dollar world wide sales last week
to become only the third movie to reach that level
after Titanic and Return of the King.
Steve is laughing all the way to the bank.
Who says you cant teach an old dog new tricks. - Greyarea, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, I expect one of the things revealed today will be a new revision of QuickTime that supports iTMS Movie DRM, so it *should* be both Windows+Mac. We can hope that DVD burning will be allowed. And we can hope that the price point is good.
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2If Hollywood isn't interested in Apple's Media store for $x, then more people will take their content at $0 instead.
- spaghetticode, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1um ... remember when the TV videos went online... all they had was desperate housewives or something. now look at it.
only pixar/disney will work, and the other studios will join in later... special after the disaste ubox has been. - Quix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1People can get their smut elsewhere. No way Apple is going to dive into that cesspool.
- Jeffrey903, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I would only be willing to buy the movies if they were $10 US, allowed me to watch them on my Windows and Mac computer, my iPod, and burn it to DVD and watch it on my DVD player (a computer to TV adapter is not sufficient enough, why should I have to buy something extra because they insist on using DRM?)
- xJudahx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wow, now look what's all over the front page...
http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060922134714.shtml - strictlybogart, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2LA Confidential.
- mobilehavoc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1People forget when iTunes launched TV shows there was no alternative for studios so at some point they had to join iTunes to compete...now however Apple is competing with Amazon.com which is another household brand-name...also Amazon has a lot of major movie studios.
It'll all come down to price...IMHO. - Quix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"But they may be hesitant to work with Apple because they may be leary of Apple cornering the market like they did with music."
Yes, because it makes much more sense to go with a variety of services that NO ONE USES (CinemaNow, etc.).
Your point may be valid, but if it is, it's irrational thinking by the studios.
They certainly don't seem to be leery about Wal-Mart's control over the DVD market... - neuropsychguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's official! The iTMS now says, "It's Showtime The iTunes store is being updated."
- Escamillo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Many of you seem to be saying "When will Hollywood learn?", "Hollywood refuses to get with the times", etc, like the studios are against online downloads of movies. They aren't. Check out CinemaNow.com. It's been around for years, has a vast array of movie selections for downloading on rental, purchase, and even burn to DVD bases. And there's also MovieLink.com, which allows the same as CinemaNow.com except for burning to DVD, and MovieLink.com was created with the explicit backing of the studios themselves. And of course, Amazon recently opened their movie service (it pales next to CinemaNow.com).
Hollywood is not afraid or luddites or whatever reason you're ascribing to them not getting into online downloads. But they may be hesitant to work with Apple because they may be leary of Apple cornering the market like they did with music. Also, Jobs is not a neutral player among the studios. Maybe other studios think that Disney might get better terms. - Quix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"A reasonable quality movie comes in at around the 4 GB mark" - Eddy3oy
Actually, a DVD-quality movie in H.264 is around 1 GB. DVD quality to me is "reasonable."
If reasonable to you is HD, then yes, file sizes will be much larger than 1 GB. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1overpriced "almost" dvd quality with DRM and no extras. Just buy the real DVD No thanks Shmapple.
- xJudahx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I really think you are underestimating Wal-Marts power over manufacturers/distributers. They are much larger than KMart or the other competitors and sell much more movies and music.
This is the same reason every group comes out with a "clean" version of any explicit cds. They simply cannot afford not to. - ToeCheese, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Eddy3oy "Or perhaps the Big Studios just think it's a lame idea as the technology just isn't quite there yet. They don't want their movies to look crap just because a lot of users only have a 512k/1MB connection, so streaming anything on to a decent sized screen is still pushing it."
You are aware that Amazon is offering this feature along with CinemaNow and a couple of other services. NetFlix has been working on a similar system.
Most likely the following scenario is true. Apple will allow DVD burning and the Studios aren't happy about it. As far as the Studios caring about quality... Yeah right!! If the studios cared about quality their wouldn't be a need for companies like Criterion. The studios feel that this will further hurt their DVD sales. - Eddy3oy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Oh look...an artcle published a few hours after my comment...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/12/apple_movie_downloads_analysis/
fanboys - cakestick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Wal-Mart is the door to the mindless consumer, which unfortunately makes up the vast majority of the US population.
They can't tell Wal-Mart to screw, because the store has become an end-all solution for the poor and/or stupid. Hate to say it. - xJudahx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Hmmmm, why would you think that. Do you not like Scorsese?
- muaddib420, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3helloooo, you're saying the Matrix was no good?
- Eddy3oy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Just saw this...
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/apple-showtime/apple-showtime-the-entire-event-leaked-199950.php
The TubePort, if it's real sounds pretty cool, although a Media Center PC and Xbox 360 does the same thing as an alternative... - surfit, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2There's already too much competition since Apple were very slow to get into the movie download business. Apple doesn't seem to have a platform suited to movie downloading and viewing anyway.
- ibeetle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Batman Begins, Friday Night Lights, Saving Private Ryan were pretty good. They were made in the last 15 years.
- Eddy3oy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Or perhaps the Big Studios just think it's a lame idea as the technology just isn't quite there yet. They don't want their movies to look crap just because a lot of users only have a 512k/1MB connection, so streaming anything on to a decent sized screen is still pushing it. Disney don't have much of a problem with their old features though because they're cartoons. A reasonable quality movie comes in at around the 4 GB mark (or so people that download movies tell me) so the Apple servers had better be going some to stream data at a decent rate. And that's even before we talk about local issues regards speed, so 'on demand' movies over IP are still a year or so off in my opinion. So the alternative, wait for an hour or so for a decent buffer size? maybe...download it overnight?...again, maybe. But lets face it, unless the film can be burnt to DVD and is of reasonable quality then you're forced to sit the family round your monitor to watch the film or view it on a 2.5" screen via iPod....great!
For the time being, no matter who offers the service, it's going to be hard to convince people that a download is better or comparable to having a real life DVD with it's fancy artwork and case. Movie downloads are the future but for the time being I think it's the tech-savvy rather than the average-person-on-the-street that really wants them and actually knows what to do with them. As soon as Sony/Apple/insert company here come up with a nice little box that sits under the TV that deals with all this download stuff (and inserts a large amount of DRM) for the consumer I don't think we're going to see much enthusiasm from the Big Studios.
Of course, I may be wrong...I usually am! : ) -
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