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- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -20/+96sigh, for a company boasting hardware quality they sure do suck on some certain things, ie, this.
- redhatcat, on 10/12/2007, -17/+66That's why smart companies don't boast. They let the users do the praising.
- strcmp, on 10/12/2007, -13/+42Wow, from all the reports it looks like apple ***** up big time with this thermal paste.
Hopefully an employee will get burnt so that they figure out that this is a problem.
(kidding) - r0ck3tm4nn, on 10/12/2007, -4/+32Thermal pads in general aren't as effective as properly applied thermal grease. However, most OEMs use pads cause its easy to put together and yields consistent results. It blows my mind that Apple or Asustek (who make superb laptops, motherboards, etc. btw) would do this. I hope this doesn't come off as a knock on Apple users, but what I find disturbing is that some people are trying to defend the actions of Apple. You go to any overclocking/modding site and they will tell you this is the worst thing you can do to your processor save spilling coke all over it while its running...
- DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -4/+31I "fixed" my MacBook Pro by reapplying the paste. Max temp is now a respectable 58C. Under normal use the fans are not noticable and the temp is about 49C. This is how it should be IMHO.
- jesusphreak, on 10/12/2007, -5/+30You shouldn't have to wait 6 months to a year after a product is announced to get a "good" one.
- valour, on 10/12/2007, -26/+51Exactly. Why do people keep buying this ***** every time it's released? When was the last iBook or MacBook release that did NOT have some kind of major problem?
- mateo60, on 10/12/2007, -8/+29I have a Macbook. It gets much much hotter than any notebook I've ever used. It's uncomfortably hot. :(
- mateo60, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2183 Celsius to be exact.
- r0ck3tm4nn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Someone did for their macbook pro:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1864582
Properly applied thermal grease cut his temps down a lot. - mongrel, on 10/12/2007, -8/+24Actually, I bet there are haggard employees in the QC department right now saying "I told you so." This is a company that's spending way too much on advertising and iPods, and not enough on quality control. Meanwhile the marketing department is all out enjoying their beach homes on this sunny weekend...
- rishimaharaj, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19A large and experienced company shouldn't need a new revision to apply thermal paste properly. Apple's engineering budget for one DAY is probably more money than I make in a year and I wouldn't make that mistake. There are 13-year-olds building their own computers and doing this right. It's ridiculous that Apple isn't.
- rishimaharaj, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19"You pack all that stuff into a small case and unfortunately it will get hot and there's very little you can do about it."
You might try applying the thermal paste correctly. - chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Why should people buy usb coolers? If the notebook can't cool itself properly, then it isn't worth having.
- eyepodder, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18I bought a macbook on Thurs and have no problems with the heat. It gets hot but no hotter than my IBM Thinkpad
does. I am very happy with it so far.
It's will worth the money. The thought that went into the OSX is awesome. Create a new user and the iSight camera
comes on and you can take a pic of yourself or you use a bunch of free graphic pics if you don't want your pic. Just the creative thought that went into that feature. It may seem a small thing but's it cool.
And no I'm not a MAC lover. It's my first Apple computer. - mistshadow2k4, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18Stou, I'd normally agree with you, but I've seen the video of them applying the paste. My mouth dropped open. You're supposed to put a very thin layer of the thermal paste or it has the opposite effect, making the CPU overheat -- everyone who reads the instructions on the tube knows that. The Apple tech guys are applying humongous gobs of the stuff to the CPU, which is what is making them overheat. Apparently they do this because it makes the laptop run quieter, but at the prie of overheating. Even the tech guys at companies like Dell and Gateway know better than to do this just for a quieter machine.
Apple makes good hardware, it is true, but one has to wonder how long they will continue to make good hardware when they're doing stupid stuff like this. - neoform, on 10/12/2007, -17/+29*shrug* my ibook runs fine..
- brandonking, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17Isn't overheating one of Apple's new innovations? They just have to have a prime number program running when idle and they can call the application iHeat. Warm different. It's even got a fuse, since the mag'safe' plug will burst into flames if the temp gets out of hand. Plus! A warning siren (the screen whine). Wow. Apple does think of all the good stuff!
- theantidote, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14His facts are wrong. The NotebookReview.com laptop was defective and ArsTechnica benchmarked a 2GHZ MacBook vs. a 1.8GHZ MacBook Pro. If they were both the same then the MacBook Pro would've won easily. I have a MacBook, and although it's quite warm it doesn't overheat.
- count_z, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12I don't understand why Apple is handling this so badly. If they just admit that there is a problem and fix it (which isn't that hard if it's just too much grease), it would all be over.
These are Mac people are that seriously pissed and openly complaining about Apple. How rare is that? I've never seen the Mac community get near-collectively so upset about anything.
Why would Apple purposely antagonize their loyal customers? - stou, on 10/12/2007, -9/+18Yea man I agree... the illuminati and the skull and bones society are bound in a secret pact to bring apple down.
- CedanticPunt, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13I have a G5 PowerMac that's rock solid and built very well, and the laptop I'm writing this on is similarly well built and reliable. While these reports of problems with the new Intel laptops would certainly make me think twice about buying one, not all Apple products have these problems.
- Durrok, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Anyone heard of someone taking apart the macbook to apply the correct amount of thermal paste yet?
- DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13That's BS. I love Apple products but I will be one of the first to complain about their flaws. They make poor design choices from time to time. I also am annoyed by Apple's choice of case material for the iPod. Personally, I think Apple has some of the best customer service in the industry and I think that is driven by their customer's insistence on perfection.
- chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13The thermal paste apple uses is garbage (and they use far too much). A thin coat of artic silver would help a lot.
- tacocat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12I'm putting off my order. If I have to re-apply the thermal paste on a NOTEBOOK then Apple doesn't deserve my money.
Fix this Apple, I don't want to have to order a Thinkpad. - trogdoor, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12A usb powered laptop cooler is a joke. At 5 volts it couldn't keep a drink cool let alone a running laptop.
- scarolan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11I just dropped my Macbook Pro off at the Apple Store for repair. Each time I've gone in there to ask about this issue they have denied that anyone else has complained about the MacBook overheating problem. Someone at corporate must have told them not to talk about it under any circumstances.
So, instead of checking for too much thermal paste, they actually went and ordered a new logic board ($800), and some other parts for a total of $1000, all covered under warranty. Not that I mind them replacing those parts, but I wish they would have first checked for too much thermal paste! - DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12Looks to me like Apple specified how much paste to use instead of allowing the manufacturer to decide. Both Quanta which makes the MacBook Pro and Asustek which makes tha MacBook are applying a similar amount of paste. I hear that Apple used thermal pads instead of paste on Powerbooks. I can't fathom the reasoning for this change. Thermal pads would at the very least provide a better thermal path and much more consistency than what we are seeing now. I have seen several CPU temp graphs and they are all over the map.
- Drgn547, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13In reference to the newer Apple commercials...perhaps this should be the next one: "Hi!, I'm a PC...I am open to viruses and spyware if not properly protected, but at least I won't burn your nuts off."
- deepsub, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11You can bet that there are no MacBook Pros on display in Apple's stores that have any sort of thermal issue.
- cobaltgrc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10I've got a macbook, and heat hasn't been a problem.
- scarolan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9One of the so-called 'Geniuses' in my local Apple store insisted those service manual photos could not be real, because Apple service manual photos are always in black and white. Any comments on this? Did not sound right to me, esp. considering that Apple sent a C&D letter to SomethingAwful asking them to remove the link to the photo from their forums.
- sam10685, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11funny. i've only seen the bad thermal paste on the macbooks report once. on this digg.
- Jarda, on 10/12/2007, -15/+21Here it is guys: Apple's attention to detail!
- r0ck3tm4nn, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14Uhh, because having your processor run at ridiculously high temperatures damages your computers components and reduces the life of the product. So...you're cool with buying something that will die a lot quicker than its competition?
- MikeMacMan, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12My Dell 600m is at 35C when I browse the web. I think I'll stick with my Pentium M.
- zwitl, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14If you've got the black Macbook, maybe you could add a coat of Teflon on it and cook an egg?
Seriously, I didn't think the the "minor, rarely occurring flaw in the device begins to be discussed in the Apple support forums." of the http://www.misterbg.org/AppleProductCycle/ would be reach so soon. - streak, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Correct, the genius was wrong. And incorrect, the link on SomethingAwful did not point to a mere photo or excerpt from the Apple manual. It pointed to a complete, unauthorized PDF copy of the manual. (can you say "aiding and abetting in the crime of copyright infringment"?)
- Swift2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Anybody going around taking the temperature of other laptops that use the Core Duo chip? Is it just the nefarious bunch at Apple that makes their chips run hot?
I'm perfectly willing to believe there are some manufacturing problems with the first MacBooks, etc. Nobody's perfect. Apple should face these issues straightforwardly. I'm beginning to wonder, though, if there isn't a little Swift Boat Liars bunch doing their best to bad-mouth the platform. There's a problem with somebody's nano. The screen breaks. Suddenly, there's a website, and lawsuits and so on. Apple gives the guy a new nano.
By the way, I've got a 5th generation black video iPod. Looks great. I keep a layer of plastic on it. Not a scratch. - AhmedB, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Just for the sake of comparison, my Gateway 2.0 GHz centrino under very light load (FF with 4 tabs, and very few extensions and MSN) running 59 C for CPU and 39 C for hard drive and it's in my lap here... it does go hotter than that though, I was hoping the Macbook would be a 'cool' notebook/laptop :(
- Majdaa, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12Go to the apple store and feel them....i really wanted the macbook, but i might hold off till the second version comes out...last time i went to the mac store the back of the macbook (pro) was too hot to touch.....
- Stark, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Someone posts a rant in an internet forum and it becomes news on digg? Talk about unsubstantiated rumor! I have a 2.16 MBP and it works great. I almost didn't get it after reading all the complaints on the web. Even if it whined like a poodle, the MBP would be the quietest computer in my house. I think Mac folks just might be unfamilliar with normal fan noise.
- famouspete, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I was at CompUSA today checking out the MacBooks. They had the 1.83 GHz white model and the 2.0 GHz white model on the floor. Both units were sitting flat on a table (which should provide ideal ventilation) and were basically idle. And yet, the bottoms of *both* units were extremely hot! I couldn't imagine ever having one of these units on my lap. (Yes. I realize that Apple advises against having one on your lap, but the reality is that we want notebook computers than we can safely use on our laps.)
I wanted to take one home. I really did. It’s everything I want in a notebook (plus about 40 extra degrees). I can handle the new glossy screen and the unique keyboard, but the temperature was just too much.
Unfortunately, I suspect this problem is widespread. - signal15, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Submit your temps here so we can see trends and correllate some data:
http://www.intelmactemp.com/list - Choppy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7AS would be great, and for a notebook so nice otherwise I wish that Apple would use it.
- puffarthur, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9you are one of the lucky ones. I got mine thursday too and mine runs 70C idle! I don't know the exact stats but it does seem like a good proportion of macbook owners are having heating issues.
- DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I snagged the manual before it was removed. It's 216 pages. It's real. And the photos are in color.
- ravenmuffin, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Yes, do your research.
But keep in mind there are a lot of Apple haters around, and they will magnify any shortcomings far beyond their importance. - titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5My Powerbook G4 (model before the Hi-res update) at 1.5 GHz runs hot only where the exhaust vent is right under the screen and hot where the Power Adaptor is pluged in and runs at full load usually around 45-52 C. The MacBooks at the local Apple Store don't feel too hot or too hot to touch even around where the Porcessor is located.
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