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- emorphien, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22Agreed with you on Thinkpads vs Macbooks. Better hardware, I'd love to dualboot OSX and XP Pro on my T43p... unfortunately that's really not possible, legally speaking.
- crammaz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21Actually no it hasn't been solved for over a month.... trust me I have first hand expierence ;(
- muleking, on 10/12/2007, -14/+27mine worked fin for 2 months before it became useless garbage
- tacojohn, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13I don't think this is the answer- My macbook had the random shutdown syndrome about a month ago. I took it to the Apple store and the genius reset the PRAM and re-seated my RAM- I haven't had a random shut down since.
I think there are several culprits for this issue. - Crypty, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12I have 3 friends with macbooks and all 3 of them had the problem.
It's either very common, or very, very coincidental. - deohieu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11You can calculate how much the heatsink expands when the temperature raises by as much as 100oC here:
http://www.ajdesigner.com/phpthermalexpansion/thermal_expansion_equation_linear_length_change.php
My result:
length change (Lfinal - Linitial) = 1.2E-10 meter
Okay, I'm just wondering how can Apple produce the mainboards of MacBooks so percisely ;) - saggygrandma, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15ahh yeah mine is working just fine...
- Terc, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11could be have nudged the sensor cable just enough that it hasn't been a problem again yet?
- dimplemonkey, on 10/12/2007, -9/+15You mean Hardware 101?
- mfratt, on 10/12/2007, -9/+14I owned a MacBook for about four months before selling it (I deicided a Thinkpad was better for me), but I never experiencd even one random shutdown. The MacBook, imo, is a great piece of hardware. It could no doubt use some improvements, but a good entry-level, inexpensive laptop none the less (I think I use "inexpensive" fairly liberally, since my Thinkpad that I bought after it was more than twice as much - but well worth it)
- D3koy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11Someone needs to send this link to Kevin Rose...If I'm not mistaken he is having this problem still....
- Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Hardware 1.0? OEMs have been making Intel notebooks for years. There is no excuse.
- zodo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9To give more detail, it's a wire that gets melted by a heatsink, and due to heat expansion and compression, will only short out on the heatsink when hot.
- acetv, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13"I took it to the Apple store and the genius reset..."
I read the "genius" in that sentence as sarcasm... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4just try to get them to send you another model
- supz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Just bought the week 32 macbook im typing this on... first mac I've owned. No random shutdown problem... my friend, who ordered it the same time/day as me, got a week 31 and he is experiencing it :(
I hope Apple comes up with an official fix to this soon (be it the cause described here or whatever), as the problem doesn't necessarily manifest itself right away, so while I'm safe now I may see it in the future. - nmap, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4mine restarts a lot at random times. I don't think complaining about it is wrong as it's a serious issue.
- TheReport, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6"Trouble is when you put your CPU at such a high temperature about 5 or 6 times it turns out that the processor must finally go."
The Processor did not finally go assclown, it had been shutting down previously so I did heat tests to pinpoint the problem, you do know the process of elimination dont you? Its easy let me give it to you in your language. there is a choice amongst our species in terms of sexual preference, ***** and vagina since you dont like vaginia you must like ***** hence therefore we've solved the problem of an issue that has been plagueing you for awhile now. Enjoy rapeass, im sure your inflatable "girlfriend" is enjoying WoW - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Never had a random shutdown on my MacBook.
- emorphien, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9@asdffds
Haha! When was that even true!? Windows restarting and locking up like that? Maybe in the 1995 - Windows ME days. Mac OS was pretty much the same way back then. Can't say it happens with either anymore.
These ads just keep getting further and further out there. Good marketing though, I suppose. Some people fall for it/believe it. - wncommercial, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12How dare you post this. There's nothing wrong with Macs. Blasphemers! Shun these heretics! Shun them!
- tsaxer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Have you ever sued anyone before? Half the time it's not even worth it. I'd just try to see if would replace the unit if it continues to have problem after numerous 'fixes.' But that's just me.
- collywolly, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4burry him. That didn't happen. Macs are perfect.
- Crypty, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Marked as inaccurate. The expansion of a copper or aluminum heatsink at any reasonable temperature for a CPU, would be so incredibly miniscule that I can't possibly imagine it expanding enough to come into contact with another part. Even if the cable was situated 0.1 millimeters from the heatsink, I doubt it would expand that distance.
- emorphien, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@rickcarson
I won't digg you down because your experience is real, and important to be noted. But have you ever heard of a lemon? Honda may make reliable cars, that doesn't mean that one particular sample can't just be a pile of crap. Same goes for Thinkpads, which before (and after) the Lenovo takeover have had a very good reputation and they've deserved it.
At the same time, people pretty universally may hate HP notebooks, and from what I've seen it's been with good reason. But I do know a couple people who have had theirs for many years without any troubles. - inkswamp, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6No offense, Mule King, but you come off like an angry 17-year-old and it seems that you're just posting to troll. If you're telling the truth, then best of luck with getting the situation fixed. Either way, less emotional posting might serve you better in the future.
- DaveRocks, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9Hurry Up, and tell Kevin Rose, so maybe we can have an episode where his apple doesnt shut off all the time....
(hey, but at least he doesnt have a dell) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8Actually, the reason why MacBooks spontaneously shutdown is because Bill Gates is building a Death Ray in the basement of his mansion. Why? Because his parents didn't die in his youth, so he had no reason to use his billions to become a superhero. However, he still had all those billions lying around, so he has decided to take up Super-villany instead.
Man's got to have a hobby. - insomniac8400, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Daily mac hardware problems, why do people bother?
- nmap, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4i'm jealous.
- DocDEB, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm kind of happy that I don't have the money right now to replace my aging Titanium PowerBook. Let all the problems be worked out first then I'll get a new MacBook/MacBook Pro.
- nmap, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2the machine turns off, it's very different from the backlight going off.
- virtualball, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8Incase people dont want to go thru the chain of links (Ok...2 lol) to get to the answer, you need to put insulating scotch tape on your censor cable.
Dugg! - iLEZ, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Mine is flawless. I definitely agree that the MBs have problems, but things tend to get WAY out of proportion when blogged or dugg. Most notebooks have initial problems, but when the generation of new models is as slow and hyped as Apples, the flaws tend to become big news. It's more easy to report "Apples Macbook is flawed" than to report "HPs model 53x-40 is flawed". Apples models seem to take up a whole lot more space in the media.
Just my 14 Swedish öre. - rickcarson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@emorphien
I was told by a certified IBM repairer that the trouble I had with the cracked casing around the screen was very common.
"But have you ever heard of a lemon?"
Well yes, that was part of my point. Some people are very quick to point their finger and say things like 'all version 1 hardware from Apple is crap'. When in reality there are only one or two isolated instances of something.
But when someone who makes their livelihood off IBM tells you that IBMs are crap... that is more worrying.
Let's put this into context with some of the recent comments about Dell, where people have been saying that Dell 5 years ago had good quality, but the standards have subsequently fallen. Whereas other people say that things are fine.
It could be that for the top end of the range Lenovo and Dell are fine, using good components if you are prepared to splash the cash. But at the budget end of the market I think that they may be cutting a few too many corners... digging just a bit too deep into the bargain bin as it were. - rebrad, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2A class action suit would be better. Apple already has a class action suit by their stockholder because of fraud and stock manipulation. Might as well make their lawyers earn their pay with a class action suit by the Apple consumers.
- deohieu, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6"It is stated that he has located the problem which is a result of pure physics." Ha ha it makes me laughed so hard! That's stupid from the first sense.
Anyone who -actually- studied physics must know that the heatsink can never 'expand' by heat that much during operation. The heatsink is made by metal, remember that, German IT engineer :P.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coefficient_of_thermal_expansion - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3when did IT janitors start calling themselves engineers?
- anthony0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is definitely not a heat problem since I can be on my Macbook for hours and running it heavily without a hitch and some times simply turn the Macbook on and after 5 min., it just shuts down. Restart and before it even gets to boot completely it shutsdown. Try again, and it's up for hours again even under heavy load. Don't know what the issue is but it most definitely is not a heat problem. My Macbook is of the batch with the issue and is in for repair. Just an FYI.
- Sefirosu, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7Thinkpads have always been "tanks" for as far as I can remember. We bought only Thinkpads at work before upper management forced us to switch to Dells... Well, no comments...
I prefer Macs though, but that's me. - cazabam, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2This makes sense to me. In fact, it was one of my own pet theories! I noticed that shortly after running my macbook _really_ hot (encoding DVDs while watching iTunes visualisations) it suddenly got worse and worse, to the point of never completing boot up. This indicated that some damage had occurred and my immediate thought was a short caused by overheating.
It's in the shop now getting a new logic board - I'll mention the cable when I go in and see if there's a problem with the one they took out. - meggani, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Lenovo doesn't have great tech support, at least not with their entry-level laptops. Plus hardware wise.. My family has gotten three thinkpads in the past couple of years, both pre-lenovo and post-lenovo, and all of them have had trouble. My t-60 is only a week old and I already want to strangle it. Ah well, perhaps we are just unlucky.
- rome420, on 05/14/2008, -0/+0ha! that's a weird title. they didn't give out the solution, just explained the problem with the macbooks lol
check out http://www.germany.com for more news, articles and images - bat-21, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Kevin voided his warranty http://digg.com/videos_educational/NEW_Video_of_Laser_Etching_a_PowerBook , so I don't think this info will do him any good.
- grow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0My friend was having a problem with hers shutting down randomly. So, I tried messing around with it a bit.
I thought maybe it was over heating? I changed the battery setting to "Better Battery Life" and that did not do much, it went off shortly after.
I turned it on again and tried disabling Bluetooth and Wireless, it shut off again.
I turned it off then on twice more and after that I had no problem with it.
I then tried turning both Bluetooth and Airport on and resetting it again. I set the battery settings back to "Better Performance" and It worked fine for the next 3 hours I had it with me. It may have lasted longer but since then she got it replaced.
If anyone is interested in trying it with theirs please do. Maybe there's just a little conflict that's doing it?
PS: Sorry if I waste your time and it was pure dumb luck. =) - Ling75, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I had my macbook for three weeks before the problem started, it happened when both hot and cold. Since then, the logic board has been replaced and it hasn't happened since.
So far so good. - wurzelgummage, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Such beautiful design that "just works"
- tomprocter, on 02/14/2009, -0/+0Not sure if this has been mentioned already. But has anyone tried cleaning the fan in the MacBook? I was experiencing the same issues. Apple told me to replace the logic board, when all it needed was a good clean. It is temperature related, even though Apple denied it. It's just a suffocated fan!
Give it a go, sorted my machine right out.
Check out the pictures I took when I opened my MacBook... they don' even suggest that it could be a blocked fan.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34062116@N06/sets/721 ... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3OMG!! You said 'macbook' and 'fiasco' in the same sentence!!!
Careful, you'll be getting a brick through your window if you keep up with this sort of blasphemy! - rebrad, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I don't think you have to tell Kevin about this. Every episode of Diggnation features Apples latest problems quite well thank you. He never seemed to have a problem with the thinkpad but the MBP provides great comic relief.
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