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- badqat, on 01/02/2009, -6/+39Web share != overall market share. Perhaps we Mac users just spend more time on the net?
- inactive, on 01/02/2009, -4/+22I don't understand bitching. I don't come to Digg for bitching. Can't all the little bitches just block the categories they don't like, or go to Reddit and leave the rest of us alone?!
- Nephersir7, on 01/02/2009, -5/+18"Web share != overall market share. Perhaps we Mac users just spend more time on the net?"
porn. - Nightlurker, on 01/02/2009, -5/+14That would be the day mac users gets locked out from 0.2% of the web..
- eatrains, on 01/02/2009, -0/+8The W3Schools stats only measure visitors to the W3Schools site, so their stats are pretty much worthless.
- Commodus, on 01/02/2009, -4/+11That's actually pretty BAD. Think about it: Windows 7 is due in less than a year. In other words, the majority of Windows users will be running XP almost three years after Vista was released and will probably skip an entire OS generation if they don't just keep to XP as long as possible.
- inactive, on 01/02/2009, -2/+8"That's actually pretty BAD. Think about it:"
When MS came out with XP, people were even slower to migrate from windows 98 !!!
But then again, every generation seems to thinks they are the only statistic in history. - cthellis, on 01/02/2009, -2/+8iPorn
- MtheoryX, on 01/02/2009, -1/+7Not all of us fit in that mold. I dislike them as much as anyone; they make the rest of us look bad.
- mylestaylor, on 01/02/2009, -0/+5I doubt people just sit on your website browsing around over the holidays. You're watching one website and these figures are from millions of web sites. I think I'll trust them over your one website traffic.
- WombleSlayer, on 01/02/2009, -3/+8But if the numbers keep on rising, how will people be non-conforming by buying a Mac?
- piradians, on 01/02/2009, -2/+7I make my living on mine.
- Mockylock, on 01/02/2009, -1/+6This isn't related much to the story, but it still makes me laugh to think back... I worked in the same building as an Apple development office. When they first moved in (last year), they had your obvious Apple workstations and some servers. Behind those boxes were over 20-30 Dell Poweredge servers that were to be installed into the server room. Irrelevant, but funny.
- MtheoryX, on 01/02/2009, -1/+5Actually, there are other servers that are considered even better than Apache or IIS. Like lighttpd, for example.
- lovemorgul, on 01/02/2009, -1/+5historically maintained or grown its share following the holiday spike and often uses the season as a platform for further gains.
- KibibyteBrain, on 01/02/2009, -1/+5But this brings up an interesting point. Perhaps lumping the whole PC market together into one big monster is no longer really working. There are so many types of uses for PCs that are very unique: engineering design and simulation, art and multimedia production, office productivity, home computers and personal web, kiosks, clusters, gaming, development, the list goes on. Trying to map out market share of all of those and acting like it has some meaning seems a bit absurd to me at this point. It would be something like trying to use CAT's market share of all motored powered vehicles to make a claim about how that company works.
- t3hbagel, on 01/03/2009, -0/+4Apple computers are extremely trendy right now, there's no denying that. They know their target audience (young adults) and their marketing has definitely been effective. Ever seen that picture of a college lecture hall that's 90% Macbooks?
These college-aged kids are also the ones using the internet most heavily, which skews these numbers in favor of Apple. - mrBitch, on 01/02/2009, -1/+5Zing!
- phill, on 01/02/2009, -0/+4The reason they have all those Poweredge server is because Linux works much better as a server than anything else.
I use Mac's for all my desktops, and Linux/FreeBSD for all my servers. - nitewing98, on 01/03/2009, -0/+3Funny, Windows users always feel the need to argue the numbers downward. Why is that? After also reading today that IE usage fell below 70%, I'd say it's pretty clear that Mac, Linux, and open source software like Firefox are definitely making a dent in MS's share of, well, everything.
You can argue a specific story away, but when you look at the larger picture, you'll be able to discern the actual trend. - inactive, on 01/02/2009, -3/+6You mean Vista ME
- friday04, on 01/02/2009, -2/+5I know you want to have a flame war about Apple but I'm not getting pulled into your flawed logic. You strayed way off topic. This link was about web share and my post was about IE and reasons for dwindling market share. And on that topic, Microsoft is guilty of the most famous monopolistic behavior in corporate history when they litterally drove Netscape out of business.
Stay on topic and relax your Apple-hater rhetoric for articles that are specifically about why Apple sucks. - DigitalisAkujin, on 01/02/2009, -1/+4lol smug?
facts are facts
You're getting 10% share during holidays cause no one i at work and a bunch of people just got new computers (of which more then 10% are macs). Plus you have IPhones now adding to the OSX market share. - mylestaylor, on 01/02/2009, -1/+4Who is switching back to PCs? There are people who know people who have switched back. Not enough people are switching back to actually notice. A few here and there maybe. If people actually were, we'd see tons of people returning their Macs and we don't see that; at least not where I work.
- dcolley, on 01/04/2009, -0/+3I was in an Apple store this weekend. Unlike all the other empty stores in the mall, the Apple store was packed. It's always packed. At least, one computer maker is doing things right.
- Commodus, on 01/02/2009, -1/+4More web share means more Mac users; more Mac users means web designers and app developers have to consider the Mac much more than they did in the past.
- bentman78, on 01/02/2009, -1/+4I run several IIS servers and Apache servers here at my job. IIS in 2003 and 2008 are very secure. They are a pain to keep secure for inexperienced admins I'm sure, but I've been using IIS since NT 4 days and Apache about the same time and I've never had problems on any of the servers where I've had full admin access.
They both serve a certain customer base. I work in a place that uses the .Net platform extensively and the servers we have perform well and do their job fine. Same with our Redhat servers running Apache. It's the admin and rarely the software that is the problem.
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/06/29/26OPseca ... - inactive, on 01/02/2009, -11/+14In other news Vista is over 17%.
- DelMonte, on 01/02/2009, -1/+4They'll stop buying Macs, just like they stopped buying iPods when they got popular... Oh wait, they didn't...
- friday04, on 01/02/2009, -3/+5Your point is exactly why web designers and developers hate Microsoft's Internet Explorer so much. If they would get on board with true web standards and ditch their proprietary ActiveX bull then we could develop applications that work throughout an entire ecosystem of products. When I write code and test it in Firefox it almost always works just as well in Safari or Opera (with some minor tweaking for their rendering engines). Only IE requires me to hack and slash and break rules just so their stupid browser can render the pages correctly.
Their arrogance and anti-competitive practices are finally starting to catch up to them. They're by no means hurting, they still dominate the overall PC market and web share but their numbers are dropping and other OS/browser combinations are growing. That's good for the web. It's good for the future of web development. And I hope IE goes into a death spiral that it can not recover from because that software is a piece of *****.
[/rant] - fugazied, on 01/05/2009, -0/+2Actually the reverse is true unless you are developing for ASP.NET. Python, PHP, Ruby all have multiple IDEs on mac and are easily installed and configured on mac. Why do you think so many sys admins run around with macbook pros? Remember it's a unix backend in OS X, it's great for plugging into other unix systems quickly and most of those unix commands are already in place.
I code in VIM, I don't use expensive proprietary software locked down to windows. Besides I can't think of a developer tool you are referering to? Eclipse is available for mac? You are probably talking some craptastic drag and drop .net 'developer' tool made for noobs by microsoft? - fugazied, on 01/05/2009, -0/+2Thats true for me at least. Mac user forced onto windows at work. Unless you are working for a design company, video production, audio production, most paper pushing offices are on windows still. Yeah business don't use the internet?
- mylestaylor, on 01/02/2009, -1/+3No one is confusing it. This isn't showing market share; it's showing which OS is being used to browse the web. That's the best you can do. Mac and PC users probably both have approx. the same percentage of people who don't browse the web. If it's 10%, that's another 10% Mac users and another 10% PC users. The overall percentages remain the same.
- djgreedo, on 01/03/2009, -0/+2Nah, they don't make the rest of you look bad. They make themselves look like idiots, but most of us have the brains to realise they are just a subgroup of Mac users (a particularly vocal, dogmatic, unintelligent, immature subgroup).
- mylestaylor, on 01/02/2009, -0/+2You know, the funny thing about people arguing about all this stuff. Is it true, is it not true, what does it mean? Who cares? It doesn't really make any difference. Reality doesn't change just because it got reported. Just because some article says that Apple has more market share, it doesn't magically give them more if people believe them or make their market share drop if people don't believe it.
- adbo, on 01/02/2009, -2/+4Just getting started? They've been around since the 70's.
- MWeather, on 01/02/2009, -5/+7"Web share != overall market share. Perhaps we Mac users just spend more time on the net?"
Perhaps most people spend most of their web browsing time at their XP workstation at work. Apple users would need to do a lot of browsing after 5 and on the weekends to skew their numbers higher than they actually are.
If anything, this figure undercounts Mac owners. - gordigor, on 01/02/2009, -1/+3See Ipod
- t3hbagel, on 01/03/2009, -0/+1Exactly. Those XServes are overpriced and underperforming.
The Mac OS is terrible as a web server because of its inefficiencies at delivering content. Price and performance are huge in the server world, and that's why there are about 10 Mac servers in our datacenter, but it's full of HP / Dell / Supermicro servers. - MtheoryX, on 01/03/2009, -0/+1@Blitzenn: That's a very good point.
However, when I see a page ending in "aspx" I can be pretty sure it's not running on Linux/Apache. - mylestaylor, on 01/02/2009, -1/+2Yea, that's what I'm wondering. It used to be something special when you met another Mac user, but now it's so commonplace that people look at you weird if you get excited. Time for the market share to stop growing. :P
- wikinerd, on 04/21/2009, -0/+1I think it counts as "unique visitors"... so it's going to be as accurate as a market share figure as anything out there you can get...
- t3hbagel, on 01/03/2009, -0/+1Apple is really trendy right now, it's up to the actual product to keep people coming back for a second or third computer from them.
- mylestaylor, on 01/02/2009, -0/+1No way they could get away with that these days.
- inactive, on 01/02/2009, -1/+2While I agree with the browser bit.
Moves like this are almost nothing especially with Apple trying to market the web as much as possible.
Most machines are in offices which restrict internet usage while mac users almost exclusively use their computers to surf the internet and do email. - kreatre2007, on 01/03/2009, -0/+1This is great... although I have always been very dubious of using internet access as a true measurement of market share.
- Blitzenn, on 01/02/2009, -0/+1Interesting that you believe you can tell the difference from a consumption end. lol interesting actually.
- s0ny, on 01/07/2009, -0/+1The iPhone is .56%, for comparisons sake all of Linux is .72%
- aserer511, on 01/12/2009, -0/+1I mean you're a moron
- gcnaddict, on 01/02/2009, -0/+1Netcraft claims, as of December 2008, that Microsoft servers held 33.81% market share.
That's more than 1/3 of the internet. -
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