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- inactive, on 04/16/2008, -34/+72No kidding! Go Psystar!
Its completely nuts that Apple, even now that they are using "all" standard PC parts (Intel Processor, Nvidia 8800, etc etc) can just slap a 'Apple' sticker on and mark it u p 80-100%
Time for someone to reform the industry the way PC's did in the 80s and 90s
Maybe soon I can run Mac OsX without having to "belong to the community" of having computers that look like purses! - inactive, on 04/16/2008, -7/+32This has happened already, in the late 90s. (and before that as well)...A company called Power Computing enjoyed quite a bit of revenue from their powermac clones, which at the time fell a bit short of the quality and stability of legit Apple hardware. Still a lot of people bought them. I had one, and it ran OS 7.5.3 like a champ.
Until of course Steve Jobs got his old job back at Apple. The licensing was screwed back down very tightly *immediately* and every clone maker (including Power Computing) that had the nuts to see Apple in court lost, and lost big.
Of course, this is exactly what's going to happen again.
The point is, if you like the OS THAT much, if you just CAN'T live without it, then you can wait an extra few months to save up for a legitimate mac. If you just want to be 31337, you'd be much more impressive building a good FreeBSD box. But it seems to me that the majority of people who are interested in this kind of thing don't really know why they want to run OS X in the first place. And thats the whole point really---if you don't know why you need it, you don't need it. - robmcm, on 04/16/2008, -6/+26Apple make their software to sell their hardware...
Plus they tried this all in the OS9 days and Steve put an end to in when he came back! - Trojan, on 04/16/2008, -24/+43Where do they markup the cost of the components 80-100%? That's a completely baseless claim. And they do a little bit more than slap an Apple sticker on it - they design the casing, and in the case of the Mac Pro and the Air, they design with Intel. Don't be foolish.
- inactive, on 04/16/2008, -5/+20No one is holding a gun to your head. If you don't want to shell out for a mac, then by all means, get something else. What's with all the entitlement? It's almost as if a huge amount of diggers think they somehow deserve a mac at whatever price they feel like paying.
- inactive, on 04/16/2008, -8/+23You must be really stupid!
They are using standard parts, slapping their sticker on them and forcing people to pay 80% markup "Because its Mac" and then you aren't even allowed to run OsX on any computer you want AFTER YOU ALREADY BOUGHT IT!
Sounds like good practice doesent it? But hey, its apple... They are all volunteer, vegan, design, philanthropists right? - Avian00, on 04/16/2008, -2/+16I'd love Mac OS to be opened to all hardware as much as the next guy. However, I'm not sure I agree with this point of view. Apple isn't the only company that sells hardware because of software. Just consider any appliance today. They are almost all created from commonly-available hardware. Generally it's the embedded software that makes it successful or not. Consider TiVo. People love it because of its nice interface. A TiVo wouldn't be a TiVo with some crappy generic PVR software. Should TiVo be accused of having a monopoly on its software and be forced to make their software available for other competing hardware makers?
- inactive, on 04/16/2008, -3/+16They tried this cloning business and it ***** bled them dry in the 90s, and almost killed the company.
- Bossman1086, on 04/16/2008, -12/+24The point is that Apple is kinda screwing over consumers. Look at the OSX86 project. They get OSX running on regular Intel PCs with minimal patching. The hardware isn't that different anymore. It used to be, but this way is cheaper for Apple. And really, the security and all is in the OS and file system, not the hardware it runs on (to an extent). Also, remember - OSX is built on a Unix base. I think it'd be pretty awesome if they opened the OS up to run on any Intel PC at least.
- yetAnotherCroc, on 04/16/2008, -1/+13"...created something amazing from the ground up with little help from anyone else. Their ideas. Their time. Their money." You mean they took BSD and added a nicer Gui and some stuff? Most of the hard work was already done by the time they got to it.
- inactive, on 04/16/2008, -13/+25So the $279 that MAC pro users pay for a NVidia 8800 GT that is $150 for PC users is not a markup?
(Oh I forgot, they had to write new drivers) And Memory for MAC (The good certified kind.. ha ha) is not more expensive?
Oh, and of course... they don't make a profit on their cases.. I forgot... - XiberKernel, on 04/16/2008, -6/+18I have mixed feelings about this.
Apple isn't doing anything wrong here - it is their software, designed to run on their hardware.
But Apple is missing an important fact – there is a demand for a mid-level Mac. The MacMini looks great and all, but why can't I get that hardware in a mini-tower, with the option to upgrade my video card, where I can upgrade my ram or CPU without prying the case open with a butter knife?
I'm sure Psystar is just trying to get attention, and I don't believe this will hold up in court, but wouldn't it be nice if Apple could think different, notice this demand, and offer a product to fill this gap? - andibarnes, on 04/16/2008, -1/+12One of the major reasons OS X is a decent OS is due to the controlled driver architecture - opening it up to all and sundry will undermine much of that: how many Windows issues are due to poorly programmed or conflicting drivers? I know there's more to it, like the better kernel, but I personally like OS X on my MBP, and there are plenty of Linux or BSD distros for those who want an open desktop with something other than windows
- RyeBrye, on 04/16/2008, -1/+12No, it was only System 7 they licensed. When System 8 came out, the clones were dead in the water.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_clone - mrsteveman1, on 04/16/2008, -0/+10This thread is huge, but i suppose its worth noting that Dell already tried this whole "lets get apple to license/allow OS X on our hardware" stuff, it didn't work.
If Dell, the largest computer manufacturer in the world AFAIK, couldn't get Apple to license OS X and couldn't find any legal way to force them to allow it, this company probably is going to fail. - Hermiod, on 04/16/2008, -1/+10Apple are what ? Number four in the business now ? Increasing Mac sales every quarter, huge profits. Yeah, they're really dying.
Apple have adapted and diversified in to music, consumer and high end professional software, cell phones, digital media players etc. They adapted away from the clone market that nearly killed them. Why the hell would they go back to that ? - XiberKernel, on 04/16/2008, -1/+10Have you followed market shares for personal computers over the past two years... at all?
I think Apple is doing okay. - Stevo23, on 04/16/2008, -6/+15"they do a little bit more than slap an Apple sticker on it - they design the casing"
Ah, the casing, as every Apple user knows, is the most critical piece of computing hardware. - cerealjynx, on 04/16/2008, -0/+8I'll have what he's having.
- RyeBrye, on 04/16/2008, -9/+17Compaq cloned the IBM BIOS, and it was legal... That involved actual hardware... This just involves a stupid EULA - it will be interesting to see how it turns out.
- combatchuck, on 04/16/2008, -4/+12@p0tent1al:
I disagree. I think FCP is so good because the development team puts a lot of effort into it and are good at what they do. To say that their software is good only because it runs on a Mac is an insult to the people that put their time and effort into it. Just because it has an Apple logo on it doesn't mean it's the same team that wrote it. Good software doesn't depend on a particular platform. For every good program that's exclusive to the Mac, I could show you another for a different platform that works great. - ofenza, on 04/16/2008, -0/+8It's their (apple) OS, why shouldn't they be able to tie it with their (apple) hardware? You don't own the right to change the licensing just because you payed for a copy.
- Kanidia, on 04/16/2008, -2/+10Many other companies dedicate their time, ideas, and money. Google? Microsoft? Those poor founders in the beginning had to turn their pockets inside out to afford the startups. However, they revolutionized the computer industry. Don't tell me Apple's the only innovative company in the world. One out of many, I think. There is no need to support Apple as if they were your parents. Apple is just another company, taking your money and in exchange, giving you a product. I do not see them trying to enhance our lives as much as any other company out there.
- jmreid, on 04/16/2008, -2/+10How's tomorrow treating you?
- Trax91, on 04/16/2008, -10/+17I can hear the echoing screams of Steve Jobs all the way here in Asia.
- edebolt, on 04/16/2008, -6/+13"My Prediction is Pain" for Psystar. Remember Apple has a few billion $ cash laying around. I think they can hire more and better lawyers.
- sjmulder, on 04/16/2008, -0/+7Apple makes lots of money selling their computers. Last time they tried the cloning, 'real' Mac sales plummeted, leaving Apple to bleed and nearly die.
One thing that's different from the past though, is that Apple doesn't only depend on Macs now - they have the iPod, iPhone, and AppleTV. - Kanidia, on 04/16/2008, -7/+14I support Psystar. This might allow some more neutral arguments of Mac OS X versus Windows.
- vincentweber, on 04/16/2008, -2/+9So basically this is the same when Motorola wants to run the Nokia OS, but can't, and decides to sue Nokia for it. This is insane. Apple is not anti competitive. It couldn't me more far from the truth. Apple just created a huge boost in the mobile market with the iPhone. Now every company needs to work their asses off to keep up with the Apple phone. Then comes marketshare. How much marketshare does Apple have on the desktop? 7,5% or something? Give me a break. I hope Apple wins. I don't use Apple products.
- centerblack, on 04/16/2008, -1/+7Clearly, you don't understand what Microsoft's anti-trust issues were about.
- shank2001, on 04/16/2008, -5/+11actually their motherboard layout in the Mac Pro is completely different and designed by apple as well, the case layout is the best in the business, one of the quietest PCs I have ever owned ( yes I bought my Mac to run Vista, but am really impressed with OSX too). And WHY did I buy a mac instead of a PC? Well, it actually was CHEAPER! Yes you read that right. Compared to dell and HP and almost every other company I compared with, an equivalent PC configured to the BASE model Mac Pro was MORE expensive. That means, NO extra memory, NO extra hard drives, etc. etc. (most PCs I had to ADD things to them to get them up to the equivalent base Mac Pro). Don't buy those things from Apple, otherwise you WILL get SERIOUSLY ripped off. But try to get an 8 core PC with the same features the Mac Pro has, not to mention as kick ass a case as the mac pro has! It is difficult to beat the price Apple has set for their base Mac Pro! Seriously! This thing is a screamer too! Amazing fast, both in Vista 64 and OSX!
- puddpunk, on 04/16/2008, -0/+6Uh, no. Mac OS X is based on FreeBSD and the BSD license basically says you can do what you want with the code - release it back or not.
- cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -1/+7Are you forgetting only "approved" hardware will work with Apple computers? Apart from the basics (RAM, HDD) try upgrading something like your video card and see how well that goes. Even the approved Apple ones don't always work, as we've seen in recent times with the 8800GT debacle (which admittedly, has now been fixed). Still, they may use common PC parts, but they will try as hard as they can to charge you the Apple tax. $279 for a standard, stock 8800GT? Sure, that seems fair.
- ggnictee, on 04/16/2008, -1/+7It's going to be interesting to see EULAs get tested here. Since you can't read the EULA until after you've bought the item it's going to be a 2-207 (UCC) issue. Which means (for those of you who don't read the UCC for fun) it's complicated. Apple might win, but they might not.
Prystar needs to take the issue to court to get a declaration of their rights so they can pick a more friendly jurisdiction.
Sure be interesting either way. - KWinOsx, on 04/16/2008, -26/+32I say Go Pystar !! Its about time - PC users had a decent OS !!
Sorry Steve - I still love my macbook - honest... - XiberKernel, on 04/16/2008, -0/+6Because Microsoft said "Yes, please use our operating system on your computers." IBM doesn't sell as many computers as it used to.
Apple said "No, we don't want to give out our OS, sorry". Apple still sells lots of computers. - Stevo23, on 04/16/2008, -0/+5TiVo software is actually built on open source (GPL'd) technology that they ripped off and locked up with an encryption key. So yes, they should have to make their software available to the community.
- Hermiod, on 04/16/2008, -1/+6Exactly, Apple are a computer company, not an OS vendor. They developed Mac OS to run on their own computers. They didn't develop it to be a commercial enterprise on its own. They are not a software company like Microsoft are.
- northernbright, on 04/16/2008, -4/+9It costs nothing to upgrade the Open Computer to 'Black'... this definitely isn't a kosher Apple.
- Hermiod, on 04/16/2008, -1/+6Because the business model of the company that sells OS X is designed to sell you a computer with OS X installed. OS X exists to sell Macs, not OS X.
The only change in Apple's business model is that they now use Intel parts rather than Motorola parts. You don't think the manufactured all those PowerPC chips themselves, do you ? - stalefries, on 04/16/2008, -0/+5And the fifth third due to PEBCAK errors?
- inactive, on 04/16/2008, -3/+8You must be pretty nifty getting 4GB of RAM into your Mac Air!
I am also not arguing that Apple has cool lighting or a flashy keyboard... What I am saying is that component for component Apple charges A LOT more for their computers!
I don't think you will argue with that? - mrsteveman1, on 04/16/2008, -0/+5To do the same thing with OS X you'd end up breaking the DMCA, because encryption is involved. There isn't anything any court can do to stop apple from using encryption, because they can plausibly claim it prevents piracy, though its real intent is to keep OS X on the real hardware.
- lex0nyc, on 04/16/2008, -5/+10Aren't Macs also... Personal Computers? Apple = PC
- ozid, on 04/16/2008, -0/+5yes. i want OS X. so I buy an apple. if i didn't want it, I would buy an asus.
the usage of elitist and the Obama thing is coincidental. see, I am typing this to you in Linux. I don't feel its better due to the extra steps I have to take to get things done. at their cores, Linux and OS X are VERY similar, so my linux knowledge could come in handy, if I ever need it. the fact is, I never do with my Mac because it doesn't have many problems. If you like jumping through hoops to install programs, that's your prerogative.
You realize you are attempting to insult OS X because its simple to use right? It's just as powerful as Vista and Linux are once you get into the terminal (hell you don't even need that with some of the software that's out there), looks better (subjective, you like customization and I can appreciate that), and obviously comes across system failures much more scarcely than Linux or Windows because its made for its hardware.
I'm not trying to preach to you, I'm just saying we're not all *****. You instigated what I said above. - HouseCentipede, on 04/16/2008, -0/+5Mac Pros are $2700, not 1000.
- Giga, on 04/16/2008, -4/+9Yes, consumers must pay the Apple "tax" if they want a Mac. Much the same way that they pay the burger "tax" when they go to McDonalds. Or the Ferrari "tax" when they want a 360 Modena. Don't want to pay for it? Don't buy it.
- TastyLamp, on 04/16/2008, -1/+6There's no real legal reason for Apple to have to "play fairly". As a private business they can do what they want, on the assumption that the consumers won't buy it if they aren't happy.
- Kyan, on 04/16/2008, -2/+7Huh? And who else can you buy a Ford from? Just from Ford? must be nice to be Ford.
- codelogic, on 04/16/2008, -3/+8Wow, you make religious fanatics look good.
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