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- darkchild, on 01/01/2009, -6/+70I'll probably get dugg down for this, but its the exact same story that I submitted at http://digg.com/apple/The_Mac_at_25_Still_the_inno ... The only difference is a that a bit of the url has been changed.
- brainnovate, on 01/01/2009, -3/+48Sorry man the Digg Dupe detector didn't pick it up when i submitted using the toolbar. Also, your link is broken, did Digg remove your story?
This is where the ability to "merge submissions" and share the credit would really come in handy. - Auzy, on 01/02/2009, -10/+36Yes, all OSX server admins discovered just how "innovative" a server could be, when Leopard Server 10.5.0 was released. Its the only server software I have ever tried where almost nothing worked (apache was the exception, but that was useless as the DNS config occassionally wiped itself out).
Its most innovative feature was the "software update server", which has cost companies in profits from $500 -> $10000, as it happily chewed up hundreds of gigs of bandwidth in a month or so (there have been numerous reports of such throughout).
I'd give its second best feature to my favorite, their fax modem driver. Apple is the only company I know of that has released driver software for a modem which not only crashes their own production-ready OS, but a server consisting of 100% of their own hardware too (and they only ever released 1 fax modem model, so its not because there were so many drivers to cover).
And their Macbooks were innovation too. First model, nearly all failed within 3 weeks, so apple discreetly refreshed them with a fixed model. The updated model Macbook pro's simply overheated, and barely surviving. And now, Apple is innovating with their new Macbook Pro's. They have included 2 video cards that cant be switched without rebooting, and unlike their competitor, can't currently be used in SLI mode, making it a waste of silicon. But people just see the specs and go "wow, 2 vid cards, amazing". Yes, if you are clueless about other hardware...
Its easy to "innovate", when not much time is wasted on QA. Neither Microsoft or even linux companies would get away with the crap people let Apple get away with. If Microsoft released server software where nothing worked, it would be all over the internet, but somehow, Apple does it, and admins don't care, and are happy to workaround it (probably because windows server wont run natively on an Xserve, and so nobody wants to waste the hardware). - georgemason01, on 01/02/2009, -0/+20"- Your profile is non-existent: When I see a blank icon I think twice before digging"
Why would you care, if you thought the content was worth digging? - beelz, on 01/02/2009, -1/+20Dugg for your honesty and humility. And for you thinking of new ideas that may help digg some day.
- DelMonte, on 01/02/2009, -2/+19"...and how much you can steal (from Xerox)."
Apple paid Xerox for their visit. Many Xerox employees went on to work for Apple on the first Mac, most of those (Jeff Raskin, Bill Atkinson and others) invented many GUI related concepts way before working at Xerox and Apple.
Xerox and Apple were sharing ideas during the Macintosh development, some of the things Apple invented were then used by Xerox (and obviously, the opposite is also true). - HookmasterCH47, on 01/02/2009, -6/+20"Innovation has nothing to do with how many R&D dollars you have. When Apple came up with the Mac, IBM was spending at least 100 times more on R&D. It's not about money. It's about the people you have, how you're led, and how much you get it."
~Steve Jobs. - Khast, on 01/02/2009, -16/+3025 years ago when Apple released the Mac, all other computers on the market had color screens....that sure was innovation.
PC already had 40MB hard drives...while the Mac was still floppy only....innovation at it's best.
Hell...even the Apple IIGS had a color screen. Apple's definition of innovation...moving backwards...and being behind the competition...and exterior design meant more than functionality. AHEM...and they still lag behind in functionality....BUT they still look pretty. - ronaldst, on 01/02/2009, -9/+23While I agree that Apple did many of the firsts, saying that it's "still the innovation leader" is just plain wrong. What Apple does well nowadays are implementing, sometimes risky, things in a easy and convenient way.
IBM innovates and creates more than Apple ever did/will. I doubt we'll see someone out innovating Big Brother. - RetepNamenots, on 01/02/2009, -7/+20Still the innovator... I still haven't bought one...
- JaycobC, on 01/02/2009, -22/+34Innovation my arse.
It's simply slapping 'i-*****' and the Apple logo onto a piece of refined crap, and selling it 200% premium. - rolf, on 01/02/2009, -4/+15Most PC monitors sure had color back then. Any color you wanted, as long as it was green and black>.>
- MacParrot, on 01/02/2009, -4/+15Everyone copies. Shall we go into how much other companies have taken from Apple too? Or how many other devices or software Apple has made that had lookalikes or seemslike elsewhere. Pointless argument
- chillymanilli, on 01/02/2009, -6/+16quick people bury this story before the apple fanboys mums wake them up!
- idontlikeyou2, on 01/02/2009, -0/+10Did your OS crash when you're about to type 1 ?
- mochaman, on 01/02/2009, -1/+11The comments here really SUCK!
- Commodus, on 01/02/2009, -1/+10Aside from being wrong on color screens, you've also omitted the minor point of A MOUSE-DRIVEN INTERFACE.
The people who gripe about Apple products being "just pretty" are often the ones only concerned about how much they can overclock something or spend as much time maintaining their computers as using them. Sometimes it's about improving the interface or introducing conveniences you wouldn't have thought of before. - gemlarin, on 01/02/2009, -6/+15OS war in 5...4...3..2...
- inkswamp, on 01/02/2009, -2/+10That's sort of how the market works. Name a company that hasn't built on the products/ideas of others before them.
- raydeen, on 01/02/2009, -1/+9Don't forget amber and black ;)
- timbtwisted, on 01/02/2009, -0/+7The Apple II GS came out in 1986 the mac was released in 1984. Also, both a color screen and hard drive would have been far too expensive at the time. Though the mac was still about 1,000 dollars over priced. You could get a hard disk for the Apple Lisa but only people and businesses with disposable income could afford it. The Lisa and the Mac were very inovative for the time. Take a look and the first couple versons of Windows, even 3.1 and it's clear the Mac OS was ahead of its time.
- Diggnabbit, on 01/02/2009, -0/+7I don't know if you actually remember when the Mac came out, but it really seemed innovative and revolutionary.
As the article points out, the Mac had the following innovations compared to PCs of the time: graphical interface, icons, fonts, folders, audio, mouse, MacPaint, and MacWrite.
(Also, in 1984, a 23 MB HDD (I couldn't find a price for a 40MB one) cost $1845. That was hardly a consumer-friendly technology.) http://www.alts.net/ns1625/winchest.html - DelMonte, on 01/02/2009, -0/+7"- I looked at your profile and you have no friends: Because of this the recommendation engine won't show your story to others "
The recommendation engine doesn't have anything to do with friends. You don't seem to know how it works...
It will show you recommendations from users that have dugg similar stories to you, wether they're friend or not.
Maybe for guys like you that are gaming the system with 400+ friends the recommendation engine will show recommendations from your friends only, but that's because most of your "friends" are digging the same thing as you because of your little scheme, so digg determines your friends have a highly matching digging pattern. - Loonacy, on 01/02/2009, -2/+9That's hilarious. Talking about user-control, lock-in, and DRM and you point at Microsoft?
- boobsbr, on 01/02/2009, -1/+7gotta love the macbook pro's "innovative" keyboard...
/sarcasm - maexus, on 01/02/2009, -0/+6@Aturaten You can debate the iPods design as it's a personal prefence. Personally I really enjoy minimalist aspect of it's design esp with the sea of devices with 100's of buttons.
Its much much like when a programmer tries to design a UI. Yea, it's really functional but if you bring in a really great designer, they can shrink the UI to maintain the same functionality in a much more compact and minimal UI design while looking great. I remember a lot of software media players had a play and a pause button. Much like how firefox has a reload and a stop button. Why? A designer sees that you only need one at a time and merges them in to one button. That's just an example. - techdever, on 01/02/2009, -0/+6now if only we can get that Kevin fella to read your comment
- plainOldFool, on 01/02/2009, -0/+6I have an iPod Classic and my wife has a new iPod Nano. If T-Mobile had the iPhone then I would probably have that too. As much as I enjoy my iPod, I have no desire to get a Mac. I'm more interested in dual booking my Dell 1501 with XP and Ubuntu/Mint.
- Myztry, on 01/02/2009, -1/+724 years ago Commodore Amiga had pre-emptive multi-tasking, GPU (Blitter), 4 channel stereo sound, 32 cased character filesystem, DMA powered device bus (sound, drives, GPU, etc), programmable psuedo shader (Copper co-processor), 4096 on-screen colours (via HAM mode), hardware cursor, 2 button mouse (click + menu), entirely GUI down to Command Line Interface (dropped character mapped support all-together), memory independent virtual desktops that could display all system widgets, dynamic memory allocation, custom device driver infrastructure, 32bit register processor (MC68000 as per Mac - 16 bit data bus)
Kudos to Apple to beating the Amiga to market. Though if they had included these 'modern computing' defining attributes that would have not been the case.
The IBM PC specifically was WAY behind any of that. - Pic0, on 01/02/2009, -32/+38lol apple doesn't innovate
- tavallai, on 01/02/2009, -0/+6There was also the brilliant cyan-pink-and-green of CGA.
- GalacticRerun, on 01/02/2009, -5/+11He didn't say they had 40GB hard drives.
- timbtwisted, on 01/02/2009, -0/+5Did you ever see PARC's GUI? Apple took the GUI idea but made it into something people would actually use and completely refined it. Every operating system to follow clearly used the Mac system as inspiration. Thus it was pretty darn innovative at the time.
I disagree with your demographic too. I think they market more to the teens and early 20's demographic and not just the hipsters but the hipster wanna-be's as well, which I'm guessing there are more of. They do not need to advertise to an older generation. Most of them either listen to their kids about what technology to buy or really don't buy enough technology to advertise to anyways. Regardless my Dad gets a kick out of the I'm a mac commercials, so they are doing something right. - srg13, on 01/02/2009, -3/+8How is refining other people's ideas not innovation? Do you think that John Dunlop was innovating when he added pneumatic tyres to wheels, or just ripping it off because somebody had already thought of the wheel?
- Wicked68, on 01/02/2009, -4/+9Please, you can claim innovation all you want, but like the article says Mac is still a SMALL portion of PC sales, and have SLOWED DOWN recently. Is this sit like a Mac affiliate or something? I have noticed that all Mac articles on here are positive and all Microsoft related articles tend to be negative.....yeeeaaahh
- chillymanilli, on 01/02/2009, -2/+7the article doesn't really say anything at all if you actually read it
- mrBitch, on 01/02/2009, -2/+7@DelMonte, RE: "..and how much you can steal (from Xerox)."
Apple paid Xerox for their visit. Many Xerox employees went on to work for Apple on the first Mac, most of those (Jeff Raskin, Bill Atkinson and others) invented many GUI related concepts way before working at Xerox and Apple.
Xerox and Apple were sharing ideas during the Macintosh development, some of the things Apple invented were then used by Xerox (and obviously, the opposite is also true)."
Well said. - friggatry, on 01/02/2009, -10/+15Macs are okay, but I would never buy one unless I had a lot of money to blow, and then I'd buy the best desktop they make. I like to tinker too much to switch to Mac.
- justaddwater, on 01/01/2009, -2/+7You linked it wrong - there's a . at the end there shouldn't be
Either way, decent story, thanks both of you for sharing :) - mbradbury, on 01/02/2009, -3/+8And IBM no longer make PCs
- Auzy, on 01/02/2009, -3/+7Btw, when I said Macbook failing within 3 weeks, I meant the Macbook pro's actually (I forget the model number now). The macbooks were better, but I knew people with them, and they only bought them because they could install Windows on them too (which most of them replaced OSX with eventually)
Also what surprises me, is that Apple made harddisk's on laptops possible to replace by users (years after EVERYONE on the market), and salespeople tried to sell it as a power feature (yes, a sales guy did try on me once). - srg13, on 01/02/2009, -1/+5The URL contains a . by mistake. The real url is http://digg.com/apple/The_Mac_at_25_Still_the_inno ...
And learn how to use the reply button. - michaelpinto, on 01/01/2009, -9/+13Darkchild here are your problems:
- On thing I hate about Digg is that it can't screen for multiple versions of URLs (but sadly there's not much you can do about it)
- I looked at your profile and you have no friends: Because of this the recommendation engine won't show your story to others
- There is a Mac mafia on Digg, but on the positive side they tend to work together to push new stories: So you should befriend a few folks and shout when you submit
- Your profile is non-existent: When I see a blank icon I think twice before digging
- If you prefer a more anonymous style of web fame I'd suggest trying reddit - estydees, on 01/02/2009, -2/+6They just make their computers more pretty..
- pathouston22, on 01/02/2009, -1/+5What, 2 products (i-phone, i-pod) makes Apple the innovation leader? Oh boy, let me get down on my knees and pray to our new innovation leader.
- frazw, on 01/02/2009, -4/+8Can we stop this argument about innovation, stealing etc?
Everyone "innovates" by taking someone else's idea and adding a little bit.
Whether you like it or not Apple have "stolen" ideas just as much as MS or anyone else.
Do we argue about stealing the concept of a keyboard? Or colour monitors? No because it is ridiculous to do so.
The ipod was not revolutionary, just a highly stylized digital audio player, one of many. The click wheel was the only tangible difference and a minor one at that.
The iphone was no great innovation, just a slightly different take on already existing touchscreen PDAs and phones.
Apple, Microsoft, Sony, Nokia etc would have you believe the smallest incremental evolutionary step was the most important thing to ever happen. If you buy into their BS you are a fool. - tgc1, on 01/02/2009, -6/+10I'll tell you this. I like the look and feel of Macs these days, but I will say that they are NOT in any way leading innovation in the computer world. They make pretty machines, i'll give them that. But honestly, there is NOTHING that the Mac does that a knowledgeable PC builder couldn't just put together them self.
- timbtwisted, on 01/02/2009, -0/+4It was clearly a typo, settle down. 40 MB drive were not all that common at the time nor affordable.
- immatellyouwhat, on 01/02/2009, -3/+7Just try one product ( even an ipod nano ), buy it take it home and use it for a few weeks and see, then if you don't like it take it back, but it IS a different experience than PC stuff , not say that PC is bad but Mac Hardware integrates with Mac Software really well.
- raydeen, on 01/02/2009, -1/+4Works for Blizzard and their 11.5 million WoWchoholics. WoW = EQ - the Torture.
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