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Mac Price Have Gone Down Over Time (with charts)

applematters.com — Turns out all those Mac's are over-priced conversations are for naught. Check out the charts!

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  • Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -12/+9And they are only getting cheaper, wo..whoooo!!
    • Oakes, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21Really? It looks like prices went up in the most recent year.
    • guytoronto, on 10/12/2007, -13/+32I can pick up a brand-new PC desktop for $400CDN, and a brand-new PC laptop for $650CDN. If all I need a computer for is internet, word processing, and downloading BitTorrent, Apple can't begin to compete.
    • evildorko, on 10/12/2007, -12/+20@ guytoronto:
      actually, the thing is that apple isnt even trying to compete with a pc like that. the nearest thing to a barebones system that apple sells is the mac mini and even that contains a lot more than the barebones pc you can pick up for that cheap.
    • ab2650, on 10/12/2007, -24/+12@guytoronto
      What's your point? If all I need to do is add some numbers up, I can get a calculator for less than $5. The whole *point* of using an Apple computer is that what no other computer does (or does well), Macs will do... and look good doing it.

      But you do have a point: all most of us really need is a crummy, slow, outdated before it gets shipped, did I mention slow?, broken-more-than-working, $400 computer.
    • tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Oakes: It looks like the prices rise for a while, then fall below the starting point. I suspect that's what happens when new revisions are introduced, which is exactly what has happened in the past year. If the prices keep the current trend, by this time next year the prices should be well below the prices they started at (and probably with improved components too).
    • anti_hax0r, on 10/12/2007, -17/+24@ ab2650

      What does Apple do that Windows doesn't do (well or at all?). Just because Apple apps wipe your ass and tell you that you are pretty, doesn't mean it's better.

      Thanks for passing on Apple FUD!!!

    • andydumi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16i think they need to put on that chart the price of a pc over time. Then we could see that they are still overpriced and our complaints are valid.
      it matters not that the price has come down, its a matter of has the price come down relatively to the competition?
    • Malakin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Some Macs are still very expensive.

      If you look at the current MacBooks for example, you can get a _better_ PC notebook for $800USD than the $1500USD MacBook (non-pro). And why do $2000 MacBook Pro's only come with 512MB of ram? I know you can add it for another $100, but for $2000 you shouldn't get a system with only 512MB.

      I think Macs are great; I just wish the prices were lower.
    • rm999, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Since 2000 the price of a mid-line PC has halved (2000 to 1000). A high-end pc is also about 50% cheaper (going from about 4000 to 2000). Compare that to a less than 10% decrease for Apple according to these charts.

      Marked as inaccurate, not because the statement "mac prices have gone down over time" is wrong, but because it is misleading. Apple's *may* be a good value, but they are not priced low.
    • apotropaic, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Well I'm not expert in chart reading but I believe that prices won't change for another 3 years and macs will be 5x the price after that.

      Even if apple computers where the same price some how as a PC I was looking at I've also go to look at the long run. Upgrading a mac is not pleasant or cheap. It will void your warranty.

      The reason I won't buy a mac is because I can't build a clone!
      I could care less about the looks! Its all in your heads dummies.
  • cmilki, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3There's a huge change for the desktops compared to the laptops.

    http://applematters.com/images/uploads/mpchart1.gif
  • Odiwan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9From the article: "Whether Steve saw the coming explosion of portable computing or just knew Apple was pricing their machines out of the market is unclear,"

    He got it from first hand experience, with the overpriced NeXT computers.
  • c4mden, on 10/12/2007, -1/+42It seems to me that if you're going to discredit the claim that macs are overpriced, you would actually have to compare the price to something other than itself.
    • Cander, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22Here here. As usual they have completely missed the issue by a mile and didn't even bother mentioning how PC prices have dropped considerably as well.

    • gothicx00, on 10/12/2007, -11/+2But see there is a problem with comparing PC's to Macs. While quality has still be a major selling point for Apple, in the PC world quality is directly proportional to price. With "budget boxes" the point is usually to stuff the cheapest components they can get away with, while still making sure that the majority of the necessities are taken care of. Then they sell it for as cheap as they can whilst still making a profit. If they were to concentrate on quality instaid of "let's make the cheapest computer possible so it will sell 1000's of units, and then when it breaks they can come back and buy the next cheap thing we vomited into a box" maybe, *maybe* then you could compare Macs to PCs.
    • TheCount, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"in the PC world quality is directly proportional to price. With "budget boxes" the point is usually to stuff the cheapest components they can get away with"

      Umm, No. The point of the budget box is to save money by building a comparable machine while searching for good deals on individual parts.

      Believe it or not, the QUALITY of a $500 build and a $2000 in the pc market are very similar. The main difference is features.
    • gothicx00, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3When I was speaking about a budget box, i meant a "commercial" budget box. The junk that Dell, HP, Gateway et al are spewing forth atm.

      I know damn good and well that one can build a great budget box that will usually out perform a commercial product twice it's price. I know this because i have about 3 of them sitting in my living room. Just because I'm a mac zealot doesn't mean I don't dabble in the PC world as well.

      You cannot tell me that the majority of PC manufacturers are as concerned about quality as Apple. Walk into any Best Buy, Circuit City or CompUSA and spend anything less or equal to what a Mini costs and you'll get junk vomited into a box. Plain and simple.

      The big boys don't get quality. The only thing close to quality that I've seen in the PC market in recent days are some of the things people like Alienware, Falcon NW and Voodoo are coming up with.
    • TheCount, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Well you're going to have to define quality then. Because Apple and the PC market use more or less the same internal hardware. There are only so many ways to make a hard drive, only so many ways to make a processor, only so many ways to make memory.

      The one thing Apple easily has in its favor is case design, I've never had a "prettier" laptop than my macbook pro (then again, I've never paid as much for a laptop as I did for it either). That being said, I only got it back from Applecare a few days ago after they had to send it out because the bluetooth burned out.

      Does that mean they didn't use a quality chip? Probably not.
  • zuggie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25Um. Duh.

    Although the price of Macs probably have gone down over time, they haven't gone down nearly as fast as comparible PCs. So even though macs are cheaper now than they were, they're still in 2001 pricing land in comparison to PCs.

  • neuropsychguy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10The author didn't even adjust for inflation - it wouldn't be that hard to do and it would just make his point better.
  • efjenkins, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Hmm, I don't have any actual numbers handy, but if I recall, my father's first PC was about $5000, adjust for inflation over the last 26 years and you're looking at an 8086 that cost somewhere near $12698.29 in today's money. Now I can get a MUCH more powerful PC for $399 .
  • kevin45, on 10/12/2007, -17/+11A mac could be $200 and I still wouldn't have valid reason to own one.
    • iFrank, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5Oh snap. Or as we AutoCAD users say, OSNAP.
    • rickcarson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2That is bizarre.

      Even if you hate OS X, you can still install Linux or Windows on it... Do you just not have any need for computers at all?

      Or maybe you are a Dell/Lenovo fanboy (sucks to be you!) or an AMD fanboy.

      Or... are you saying you're perfectly happy with your current computer and have no need to upgrade in the foreseeable future?

      If so, you may have a point. Frankly, if I was still on Windows, I'd still be on Windows 98. It did everything I wanted. I could write software, I could run open office, I could browse the net, I could play games.

      I guess If I was an OS upgrade junkie I'd have to keep throwing out the hardware every couple of years.
  • habitat2050, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Another 20 years and I'll actually be able to afford one
  • SeBBBe, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4This comparison is really stupid. What if they released a Mac with 1 mb ram and 7 mhz CPU and priced it $399? OMG THEYRE SO MUCH CHEAPER THAN PCS. That the price goes down doesnt mean it gets more worth its price.
  • patience, on 10/12/2007, -11/+18Why delude yourselves. Unless you are a graphic designer or a professional in some context, you are overpaying for a white paint job.

    PCs are cheap. Macs are expensive. Period.
    • synd, on 10/12/2007, -19/+11PCs are cheap in both price and quality. Period.
    • tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14PC's aren't necessarily cheap in quality, but if you want a superb quality machine, then the price starts to get closer to that of Macs. Mac users don't like it when people generalise about Apple prices, so it'd probably be good if you didn't generalise about PC's :)
    • Arramol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10"PCs are cheap in both price and quality. Period."

      Not at all true of the hardware, and only partially true of the OS. Mac users tend to dramatically over-exaggerate the flaws in Windows. I honestly can't remember the last time I had a serious virus/malware problem, and I spend maybe a few minutes every week or two on security. No big deal. Furthermore, you keep assuming PC = Windows. I've typically had excellent experiences with Linux as long as I'm not gaming or doing something which requires specialized software...and for those two tasks, I still have XP.
    • christianw, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2how many times do i have to post my findings and research on this topic? you guys are on your own this time. I know which ones cheaper and im buying a second machine here soon because of it.
    • lumbergh, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1As in many economic areas, you get more or less what you pay for. Period. If that were not the case, Apple would have stopped existing a long time ago. It is not "mere fanaticism" that keeps the profits up. Why not take another look instead of making blanket statements?
    • Arramol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"As in many economic areas, you get more or less what you pay for. Period. If that were not the case, Apple would have stopped existing a long time ago."

      That argument cuts both ways. You could just as easily look at Apple's sales and conclude that their price/performance ratio is what's keeping them at such a small market share. It's certainly one of the main reasons I'm not switching any time soon.
  • nalf38, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5They may be cheaper, but they're still overpriced, as far as I'm concerned.
  • rynoon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Perhaps the prices went down because pretty much all hardware components for popular architectures have become cheaper to produce over the years? Just a guess.

    They still don't provide as much bang for your buck as PC's do.
  • kazersoza, on 10/12/2007, -15/+2Sorry PC != MAC. You pay more but you bet more IMO.
  • joelsp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I'm a mac user. But this kind of makes sense. I would imagine this trend has applied to PC maufacturers across the board over time.
  • SamKellett, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Excellent, I don't mind waiting a few more months before I upgrade.
  • vhcougar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Um...computers are getting less expensive?

    Surprise.
  • patience, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3synd: If you are going to do real work (design buildings, make movies), you need a MAC.

    Surfing the net and word processing on a MAC is overkill. Why buy a Benz to deliever pizza.
  • nalf38, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7I wonder if Mac diehards really use all the free software that is supposed to be so great. Garage Band, Final Cut, anyone? Please, this isn't a troll, but someone please tell me what has the Mac got usability-wise (besides eye candy) that another OS doesn't? Any Winblows user can run iTunes. And please spare me the 'OSX is more secure' arguments.
    • tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5A *lot* of people use that software. I can't count the number of musician pages which say 'created in Garageband' or some similar text. I assume you meant iMovie rather than Final Cut (which is a pro app), and again, you are wildly underestimating how many people find it useful to have a simple drop and save movie editing program (Windows Movie Maker is good too). iPhoto is once more the definitive photo program for many users, who don't need much more than it offers for their photo management. Those apps are extremely worthwhile for many Mac users. They aren't Pro apps and have never been sold as such, though.

      P.S: Face it, OSX *is* more secure out of the box whether you like it or not.
    • nalf38, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Trust me, I'll be the last person to argue over your postscript. I'm not a Windows user, so I could care less about whether one is more secure than the other, which is why I asked to be spared. Thanks for the honest answer.

      Seems to me like Garage Band and movie editing has an edge in OSX. I guess for the other stuff you mentioned, I'm perfectly happy with Picasa for photos and other free programs to manage my music files.

      I guess I'm still not sure that a few free extras justifies so much extra cost.
    • gharding, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I use Terminal.app. Do you have any idea how useful it is to be running in a Unix-based environment when you're working with Unix servers? Setting up SSH keys is a joy in OSX.. because ssh is built right in! With Windows, you need Pageant and PuTTY (neither of which are included with Windows). When I'm developing on a Mac, I find it easier to replicate my dev server environment (hell, sometimes eliminating the need for one). Spotlight rocks.. I've never found anything in Windows to launch anything nearly as quickly. Installing programs rocks.

      I don't game. I don't create music. I'm not a graphics designer. I don't create home movies. I'm a programmer. I love my Mac.
    • Morky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have a consumer Sony HD video camera and I have a Mac. I didn't need to buy anything else and I have really nice tools to edit my video..and that was summer '05.
    • gharding, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Oh, and the UI just rocks. Simple, appealing, intuitive, and non-buggy (which is more than I can say for "insert open-source desktop environment"). The taskbar on my Windows workstation is 4 rows high. On my Apple, the dock would be 60 pixels wider than usual when not hidden.
    • tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I certainly wouldn't say iLife justifies the extra cost of a Mac at all.. I mean it's only like $60 to buy the package anyway, isn't it? But it is kind of symbolic about what a Mac is. Everything works. It's simple. It's refined. It does it out of the box. It's ready. For me, the extra cost is worth it for OSX - I'm not a fanboy, but I do think OSX is superior to Windows. The build quality of the machines is superb and yes, you can get that with PC's too, but for that quality the price heads towards that of a Mac anyway. There's plenty of reasons why the cost of a Mac is justified though, iLife is just one of the more minor ones :)
    • tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Oh, another big selling point of a Mac is its resale value. How many PC's would sell for nearly half their original retail price when 4 years old? Many Macs do just that. They hold their value well, which is a big benefit if you plan on selling your old machine at some point.
    • DarkSideofMoon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2iLife is an excellent package - to anyone who has actually sat down and used it (I hate people who ***** about their 'review' they gave it at Best Buy or Circuit City) will realize how great it is designed... and it comes free with every Mac!

      All the apps talk together seamlessly and seem to flow nicely together (Make a song in GarageBand -> Send to iTunes -> Make a film in iMovie with the song -> Export to iDVD for example... all in a short couple of hours or an afternoon).

      To me it was the greatest selling point to switching to the Mac. There's literally no suite like it on the Windows side that is so elegantly produced. Show me one.

      However use the right tool for the right job. If you need something in Windows, go ahead and use it! In this case, the Mac OS is much like iLife... well integrated and well thought out. I can't speak enough about iLife and OS X.
  • tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4To be fair, the prices of all electronics have probably fallen an equal amount in the same space of time. I do think Macs are cheaper (well, better value) than people give them credit for, but without comparing it to prices of other similar products, these graphs don't prove it or indicate it.
  • dvdcr, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3whatever u say apple fanboyl... still overpriced, so ***** you lol
    • chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3that was hilarious! and insightful!

      /dumbass
    • christianw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2he would reply again but hes aparently too busy running ad aware, spybot search and destroy, ewido, and avg at the moment
  • EiCCA, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The price of technology has gone down in general over time - that's what happens when people find more efficient ways of making things. You could say that the price of a PC has gone down too, but the point still stands that Macs are just more expensive than a PC with comparable hardware.
  • mozzep, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wtf were they thinking with a 10,000 dollar computer in the early 90's? No wonder they were in doing so poorly financially.
  • eN1X, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2PC prices have gone down too...quick let's make a digg headline about it! While we're at it, let's praise Linux about something stupid too! Seriously people....think about what I just said...
  • Jack9, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"800mhz AMD computer with 128mb of ram, a 20gb hard drive, with a monitor and speakers for like $2200 in 1999. Now the same computer would only go for about $150-200."

    At the Computer Goodwills (yes multiple) in orange county, that rig is worth 50$ (counting the monitor).
  • BufordT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Anyone else see the True.com add on the right hand side? DAMN!!
  • Llan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wow, that most be the worst charts ever. No word how they were done. Correction for inflation? What will this tell us then? Extremely bad article...
  • EtherGnat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Buried as innacurate. Macs are becoming more affordable and cost competitive, but this article does nothing to prove that. The price charts are interesting but the story is rubbish.
  • bblades, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0There seems to be two arguments here. Hardcore PC people who never owned a Mac saying there is no use for one, and also the arguement that PC's are inherently less expensive

    -I bought a Mac because the interface is more functional, looks better, and behaves predictably. What I mean by that is the OS doesn't bog down over time, and very limited maintaince of the machine. The security argument is valid, because there is very little to no virii and absolutely no spyware out there for OSX. The limited amount of security problems have resulted from running as root, which can easily be avoided. UNIX has several layers of security, I feel secure running OSX. I use iLife all the time. I am a musician, and I believe Garageband is as good or better than most commercially available recording software, and completely blows away any kind of freeware software. I think that alone justifies using it.

    As for relative price. If you want POS Emachine or something of that nature, go out and buy one. It will have limited software, lowest quality hardware, and you will be running Windows. Thought you can say there is a comparison now that PC's and Macs are both on X86 processors, you still have to take into consideration form factor and the specific processor being used. Most sub $500 PC's are still on ancient Netburst processors, while even the cheapest new Mac is running Yonah which is a bit of an upgrade. An straight up comparison will probably yield you $100-150 difference. You pay a premium for form factor, and the OS. The advantage being that any new Mac can run Windows too, so it basically puts two machines in one box. To me that plus the nice add ons like wireless, iSight, front row, justify their slightly premium price. The gap between Mac and PC have truly come closer now. In a relative sense they are neck and neck. If you are going to gripe about $50 here or there thats not the issue, there use to be a huge gap in pricing, which has come down.
    • EtherGnat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Price differences depends greatly on what your needs are. I needed a core duo laptop for work with dedicated video, a gig of RAM, DVD/RW, a PCMCIA or ExpressCard slot, modem, bluetooth, and 15" display.

      The cheapest Mac that meets those requirements is $2,150. I was able to order a Dell I'm very happy with for $950 after coupon. We also needed a new machine for video editing. Without hesitation we ordered a new $3,500 MacPro and FinalCut. Different strokes...
  • lumbergh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2This is bullsh*t. Bullsh*t. BULLSH*T!!! MACs are alwasy more axpensive then a compareble Windows mashine.

    -perennially grammar-challenged, "Mac"-misspelling, undereducated, arm-flailing Windoze user defending his expensive virus attractor ;)
  • wnypatriot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Whoopee. They're still too expensive. As I always say, I'd rather have a top of the line PC and a car than a mac.
    • lumbergh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I'd rather have a top of the line Mac, _and_my_life_, than any PC. Out of curiosity, how many hours do you spend reinstalling Windows and all your apps every year to get out of that slowdown that happens from using it? And even if you "hardly ever" get viruses or spyware... has it ever gotten a foothold in the last year, forcing you to spend some time removing it? Has an app uninstall ever failed and botched up your registry? Be honest, now... If your time is worth money (i.e., if you do not work in a gas station or at McDonald's), then this crap adds up very quickly to more than surpass ANY difference in initial cost. I know, I've worked on both for years... as I'm certain you haven't.
  • PJBonoVox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Newsflash-- PC prices are getting cheaper too.

    Why must Apple fanboys try and put a spin on news in order to make it sound like something it's not.

    Why can you not simply agree that a PC user can buy a faster and more up to date machine for two thirds of the cost which can run more software 'out of the box' and can be upgraded at the users behest?

    "Turns out all those Mac's are over-priced conversations are for naught. Check out the charts!"

    How has THAT got anything to do with the actual news article itself? Gucci handbags! £5 off! Any layman can have one now!
    • lumbergh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Dude. If you have never even used a Mac more than clicking on the Dock in an Apple store (and I'm guessing that you, like all the "poor misguided apple fanboys" posters here, haven't), then you haven't a clue what the value-add is with Macs. Clue: It is not in the initial cost of the beige box.

      I have developed on Windows for work for, hmmm, 6 years now, and I've used a Mac at home, hmmm, since like forever. There's a reason why that is. And with these new intel Macs, I can finally requisition a Mac laptop for work. You have no f*cking idea how elated that makes me.

      I wish I could convey to you why.
    • tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I don't think there's many Mac users that would disagree they paid more for their machine than a comparable PC. It's PC users not agreeing that there's valid reasons for paying more for a Mac that's the problem.
  • DeletedUser, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Is anyone else sick of the PC vs Mac Debate? Each has their purpose.

  • simongabriel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2To use the car metaphor, a mac is like a BMW. It's a nicer car, it has more luxuries, it drives nice, etc. A PC is more like a Honda. It's not as luxurious as the BMW, it doesn't have all the extra bells and whistles, but guess what? It still gets the job done. And this is exactly why Steve Jobs will never release OS X for purchase without a computer. It's about the experience. It's about owning a "BMW". He doesn't want market share to be higher than others. He wants it elitist. That's their selling point, and it won't ever change.

    Not that it's bad either way. But that's a pretty accurate metaphor.
  • metamorphilia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2My next computer will be a Mac due to the new Intel chips, but...

    Just because the prices go down over time doesn't mean they're not overpriced. Sure, it's what the market will bear, and I will eventually be part of that market. But they're still damned expensive. You know you're paying for the name, basically, like buying a Toyota vs. a Kia.

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    Wow, simongabriel, great minds think alike!
  • fatnutz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Seriously, this comes down to OSX not the hardware.

    You do pay a premium for Apple hardware in most cases, and is it always more reliable than PC hardware? Not always

    Ram, hard drives and now processors are universal at this point, (unless we're talking the iMac mobile-style vid cards.). The video cards for both PC and Mac are the same thing. The motherboard is the difference and I've even seen bottom dollar HP machines with OEM ASUS motherboards that have run in conditions that would be the human equivelant of working in hell. So that's my testament to OEM pc parts.

    I've seen Foxconn printed on Apple parts, I don't know if they use them to manufacture all their boards, so I won't say anything in regards to a particular model. Do I believe Foxconn makes a great motherboard? No, not in the past at least. The ones I've bought to build Windows/linux pc's were kind of sub-par. I've had to RMA 2 of 3, which is my record for motherboard RMA's as far as a particular vendor goes. They had a lot of bad reviews that I didn't see until I had already started the RMA process on them. That said, I could have had a bad batch, who knows. Foxconn could also manufacture Apple boards at a higher quality than those intended for PC, though I doubt it. They may have more stringent testing, again I doubt it, they'd only hurt themselves by doing either. I have heard better things about Foxconn lately, but I'm still a bit weary from the past. Hopefully they've upped quality in the last year or two.

    I can tell you with certainty that I've seen more dead G3/G4 logic boards than any other laptop board in my history. And as far as PC's go, I used get a lot of bad caps on ATX boards from the QC debacle the industry had quite a few years back.

    As far as hardware, I've come to this;
    Both have their flaws, neither is perfect, basic maintenance helps with either, 1/2 of the problems I see has to do with people not cleaning their system..letting ungodly amounts of dust and pet hair and crap build up inside the machine.
  • xr56n44, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1apple and its sycophants claiming apple Macs are cheap is like the bush administration claiming there's WMDs in iraq. they lie lie lie attempting to deny the reality of the situation. fact is that i can build my own PC for a fraction of the price of Mac. and also fact is that the only "real" PC is one with expansion slots on the motherboard, and that starts at $2500 for a mac pro. any price comparisons should be made on this level, not the pathetic unexpandable ***** mac mini or imac, cos those are toys not serious computers. just the issue of choosing my desired video card is enough for me to stay far far away from that all-in-one garbage.
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