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- betasp, on 10/12/2007, -8/+54Apple is not a software company. Allowing OSX on all machines goes against their business model.
- Trention, on 10/12/2007, -6/+33If Apple would make it legal, they might be surprised to see how many Mac users they would have overnight. A $125 OS X box version that works on even a listed subset of PC hardware would set the world on fire, and let's face it, most of Apple's customers are not going to build their own computers!
- Feanor, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28Think of all the driver support they would have to provide...
- TruthElixirX, on 10/12/2007, -7/+30I'd buy it.
- Ramble, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22It's in the Apple EULA.
- punx45, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17if they sold the software for hardware systems other than what they devlelop and build in house, it may not "just work" which is a key element to OSX/apple hardware.
- Linkage155, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17You know.. a mac is a "pc" too, same hardware..
- MateyO, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19The problem with the 'I'd buy a boxed version of the OS' is:
There's about 12 of you out there that really want this. Out of 500 people that say 'I'd buy it' there's 488 of them that say 'if only it [came in pink | supported my webcam | played DNF | whatever]
Apple has a very tight list of hardware they need to support now. They're profitable and can make a tight combo of hardware and software. They're not going to walk the Microsoft path to driver signing hell. - gronne, on 10/12/2007, -15/+23Maybe they should change the business model. I'd buy the OS, but given that I can buy a decent Dell for $500 and the closest comparable Mac is a $1000, I'm not that dissatisfied with Windows to spend an extra $500 on a Mac. I definitely would spend the extra $125 for the OS though.
- gsnedders, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"(oh, btw, don't tell me that Apple have opened up some of the OSX source, they didn't open up anything, they just didn't close the parts that are required to be open by the unix licence)"
Actually, the code they've taken from FreeBSD is under the BSD license, and they legally don't need to make any of the source open. - AssProphet, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Anyone using apple hardware will tell you, OS X running on other hardware is not directly comparable. They aren't just fancy cases, there's a whole lot of work put into hardware compatibility, that you just won't find from other hardware manufacturers.
- thcobbs, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10It's not impossible, you just need the windows drivers for the Mac hardware. And guess what, that's all bootcamp does is provide you a CD with the proper drivers.
- Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15first you post the same story (but didn't get enough diggs cos it wasn't posted under 'Apple') - http://digg.com/software/Mac_OS_X_10_4_8_runs_on_any_x86_based_PC_but_without_GUI
Then you post a (second) dupe of what hit the first page yesterday - http://digg.com/apple/OSx86_10_4_8_Cracked_Legally
give it a ***** rest will you. - kevbryant, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10i know someone is going to scream at me for this. but would someone please sum this up, and tell me what the hell it means for ME? i'm not changing source code. and not to be unappreciative, but is there going to be an iso with this mod patched in? Ive seen tons of stories about this and no one seems to be forthcoming about how to implement it. And please, all you coder snobs out there, don't bother replying. I am thankful for this development, Ill be much more thankful when someone tells the world how to use it.
this is reminiscent of the xbox 360 mod on thebroken. - itisme, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@ramble
there are a lot of things in a lot of EULAs out there
that doesn't mean everything said is enforceable in every region by law - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8It's not so much the fact that the act itself illegal. If you use Mac OSX software, you agree to obey the license agreement. It works like a contract. Whatever clause you break in the contract can cause Apple to press charges against you for breaking the contract you agreed to.
- aristotle0dude, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7The license agreement that you can read before popping in the CD/DVD into the drive. The same license agreement is available for anyone to read online.
Given that there is no boxed version of OS X for Intel, I cannot see how you could have a legal copy separate from an intel mac. - Terc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9That and intel Macs use firmware, not bios. This means that the firmware must be modified (via bootcamp) to support bios instructions for Windows to run
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6This actually helps Apple. I was using OSX on my AMD system for about 6 months before I bought my MacBook. I had never really used OSX for an extended period of time so I wasn't 100% sure I wanted a Mac but once I started using it I was totally sold on the platform. So about 10 months after first starting to use OSX I own 2 Mac's and plan to buy a third for my parents soon. If I hadn't got the hacked OSX build I probably would still be using Linux.
- fujimonster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Apple just selling OSX for bare hardware? Would probably never happen. It opens up a whole can and barrel of support nightmares.
- drlha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5No its because we understand history. The last time Apple allowed Mac OS to run on third party machines it almost killed them because they rely on hardware sales for profit, and everyone else undercut them. The same would happen if they allowed Mac OS X to run on any PC today, plus they would be faced with a support nightmare that would finish them off even quicker.
Its got nothing about being cool. I'm a Mac user, but I'd love to install Mac OS X on a spare Linux box at home I have. I'd love to be able to build my own Mac OS X system as well. I just an a realist and know this will never happen. - ClassicJBC, on 10/12/2007, -22/+27Apple isn't a hardware company either, strictly speaking. Sure, they sell proprietary systems, but you have to admit it's a bit of a cop out. They can't create superior computing hardware, but they still want the extra profit that hardware provides. So they put artificial restrictions on their software.
People just accept this arrangement as normal, but it's really *****. - etandrib, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Apple's hardware advantage is that they have the only computers that can run all the popular operating systems. You can run OS X, Windows, Linux, etc. Dell, HP, Leveno - They only get Windows, and Linux (which together is 95% of the market) but they don't have OS X and that is a huge advantage for Apple hardware.
- colincornaby, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"I'm a huge Apple fan. But, IMHO if you buy Mac OS X you should be able to do whatever you want with it. If you can get it to run on your own machine, more power too you! It's yours, you paid for it, do what you want! That's fair use in my book!"
a) You can't buy OS X for Intel.
b) Apple is selling OS X in box as an upgrade to Mac OS on an existing Macintosh, and OS X is licensed in that way. And they are well within their rights to do so. - CentraSpike, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5and the court can find that the contract is not legal (not saying it will though)
- jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5With the new inventions up their sleeve, I hardly think they will be worried about their os getting on other boxes. Their OS will become a marketing tool...that's my guess.
As the old saying goes...the more you sell, the more you sell. - halik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3How is that a new story? Hacked version of osx have been out about a month after someone leaked the developer install cds/dvds.
- xlocust, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Isn't apple already, in a sense, a "boutique hardware vendor?" I'm not dissing Apple but they do sell a propitary system at a somewhat higher cost to a comparatively smaller user base.
- skellener, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7I'm a huge Apple fan. But, IMHO if you buy Mac OS X you should be able to do whatever you want with it. If you can get it to run on your own machine, more power too you! It's yours, you paid for it, do what you want! That's fair use in my book!
- lilrabbit129, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3One of the main reasons OSX is so great is that Apple truely knows what hardware they're going to provide. With that in mind they can tailor the software to it perfectly (well not perfectly but pretty well). Just think of all the chipsets and configurations they'd have to support to get it to run on "generic" PCs.
- sinembarg0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Ok, I agree that a lot of people would buy OS X if they didn't have to buy Apple hardware, but Apple is neither strictly a software company, nor a strictly hardware company. They tailor their OS for their hardware. They support maybe 4 or 5 different chipsets, 4 or 5 different graphics cards/hardware, and very little internal components (that require drivers specific to the model) in general. That's the reason their OS is so great. They have to support very little hardware, and thus their system is more stable. That not a bad thing, it's a good business model, but one that would be ruined by selling a generic OS.
- cybersamurai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3My prediction: Apple becomes a boutique hardware vendor like Falcon Northwest or Alienware. They still sell Mac OS, but it's not the main thing.
- Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's that whole "maybe" thing that is holding them back.
- itisme, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I wonder what the motivation is for people running apple OSX/Hardware
to decry the suggestion that running OSX on more platforms would be good.
Is it because some of that lifestyle exclusivity ideal would be some how lessened a bit like all those people driving Mercedes A classes and BMW 3 series it some how annoys the mega rich.
a computer is just a tool, think fight club
"you are not the car you drive, deliver me from Swedish furniture" :-) - itisme, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@ramble can you give me legal precedent?
I'm guessing its highly unlikely anyone would end up in court for running a legally owned copy of OSX on non apple hardware, I mean a contract has to have its basis in acceptable terms in the region in which it operates, fair use and the EU courts may not agree with the terms of the EULA.
Of course I'm not a lawyer and this doesn't constitute advice but without a precedent of upholding a case like this I think apple would have very much to lose and nothing to gain by chasing individuals... - MrBlackthorne, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5I'm not sure it is necessarily a bad thing if Apple looks the other way. Let's face it: This isn't an "easy" hack. You're average computer user is not going to try this. Apple makes a sale on the OS, and you can't sensibly argue that this is going to take away from their hardware sales, because the folks that would do this are either not the same people that would want to buy a Mac or they probably already own one.
The thing that worries me is that people that are going to hop on BitTorrent and steal the .dmg. This, in turn, could make Apple implement a serial number system for OS X, which we Mac users have enjoyed NOT HAVING for years.
So if you want to try this out, and you find that you like OS X, PLEASE BUY A COPY for the benefit of everyone who enjoys OS X. It is a very reasonable price, especially in comparison to XP. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Crap, that photo is illegal? Oh no, I downloaded and looked at it. Am I going to jail now!?
- Markie1006, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Man that is some fugly cablework.
Personally I'd be embarrassed to show the inside of that case. - Freegoo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Factor in Microsofts stupid activation stuff in Vista and Apple has a rare oppurtunity to open up its platform and actually take some share away from Microsoft. It may be against its current business model, but business models can be changed.They could still keep their hardware division going for the Apple enthusiasts.
That said, no way in hell is Apple going to do it. Too bad. - macslut, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2His trying to hide (in part of his defense) under "misuse" is ridiculous. There is only one "use" for this and that is to put OS X on non-Apple hardware. IANAL, but it seems like a lot of situations where there were far more legitimate/legal uses, the courts ruled that the misuse prominence outweighed the other...think file sharing sites.
- Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Have you looked into the relative strength of Apple stock vs Sun lately?
- javaroast, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5I'd buy it too. With Microsoft's licensing and upgrade policy for Vista it's left me to think twice or three times about whether Vista is something I'd ever want to upgrade to. I'd love for there to be some competition to MS in the form of OS X. Currently though it looks like I'll move to Linux full time
- dbirling, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@rompom7
You can do a lot of things with Mac hardware, it's just that we only have 3-5% of the modders :-)
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/SonofFrankenMac/son_of_frankenmac.html - itisme, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I have no problem with apple going after enforcing their crazy eula
its behavior like this that will just push more users to take another looks at gnu/Linux.
"the more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers" :-)
Im also wondering why a legitimate question about the legal precendent and validity would get dugg down, have we found our guerilla marketeer - djliquidice, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1^^^ exactly an issue for winders
- Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2yeah, but in general this is only going to appeal to Linux users and tinkerers such as yourself.
VAST majority of Windows users will never try it, or try it, get frustrated because it isn't really integrated/optimized for their hardware, and then declare OS X "lame".
Linux users that will try it and then switch to Mac hardware is probably about 0.00000001% of the market. - drlha, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3JUST ***** BUY A MAC.
Its not legal to install OS X on anything other than a Mac.
Apple are not going to release a boxed version of Mac OS X to install on any PC.
Apple are not going to open source the whole OS.
Get over it already. - xportz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2http://www.duggmirror.com
- bushy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1damn that sounds hot
- whiteguysamurai, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Apple should just bite the bullet and make a version of os x that everyone can run.
Maybe it might turn people on to their machines? -
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