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- stuartjmoore, on 10/12/2007, -5/+52I'm part of the iPod halo effect.
Started with the iPod... then the sexy hardware... then OS X. - LayZAss2I, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20i hate the delay of leopard as much as the next person, but if jobs and apple deliver on all the promises and features of leopard running super smooth in oct, i'll be a much happier customer in the end rather than being unhappy with a premature product now w/lots of bugs.
- hungarianhc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Apple also has $12B in cash right now... i don't think they need a "short term cash infusion."
- desistere, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I would not call Leopard "icing on a cake." OS X is the heart of Apple. Nor would I say that the Iphone is any more short term than Leopard. If the Iphone is as successful as the Ipod, it will outlast Leopard because a new version of OS X will succeed it.
If the Iphone does well, it will be good for Apple, but it might not be good for OS X. As Apple shifts its focus to selling items like music players and phones, it has become apparent that the shift must have an impact on the development of their OS. So far that impact has not been positive (the delay of Leopard). As corporations become larger, their projects often become adulterated to fit mass appeal and make more money. A good example is something like MTV that originally catered to music video fans, but now caters to teeny boppers. Let us hope that Apple keeps their eyes on OS X while they work toward new venues of income. - meatmcguffin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Seems ironic considering that Apple released the first public implementation of the drag and drop concept as designed by the Lisa/Macintosh group.
If you're gonna be a troll, at least be an informed one and not just a stupid moron. You give other trolls a bad name. - LordVoldemort, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Why can't you?
- cheez, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5the main problem that i see here is that apple doesn't need a "short term cash infusion"
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=AAPL
the ipod already gives them loads of it. - streak, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I believe Apple's PR experts determined that releasing so many new products in such a short period of time would create confusion in the marketplace and make inefficient use of advertising dollars. Oh, and Leopard wasn't ready in time with top secret features. Spacing things out creates a more consistent load on support and advertising personnel.
- Sunnz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4They have like already done that drag and drop thing more than ten years ago... do you live under a rock or something? (Gronkers?)
- KibibyteBrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3True, but R&D shops need all the cash they can get these days. Cash is the key to riding out downturns in the market as well as escalating expansion during upturns. Apple is wise enough to know that while they look worlds better than they did 8 years ago, that reverting to that state again is not outside the realm of possibility.
- LordVoldemort, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Ignore this comment. He's just flame-baiting.
- jeffyjones, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The guy who wrote that doesn't understand Apple's business. Vista and OS X don't compete, Macs and every other PC maker compete.
Apple makes its money on hardware, and this seems to escape people time and time again. There's no significant margin in iTunes, and software isn't much better. Sure, they probably do OK on bigger things like Final Cut Studio, but they're not selling a ton of volume.
On the other hand, they're making close to a hundred bucks on every iPod, hundreds from every Mac, and probably a hundred or more on each iPhone. What do they make on OS X? Nothing to speak of if it comes with the Mac. If it's an upgrade, $150 a copy is not going to subsidize the OS development the way the hardware does. - estvir, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11The only thing that will increase Mac's* market share are people buying more Macs, so a 100M iPhone's being sold wouldn't directly increase the market share but it /might/ cause people to seek out other Apple products.
A lot of people claim this is happening with the iPod but as far as I'm aware no one has been able to prove that and for the most part Apple's growth is part of the halo effect of the industry (Not all the time, of course).
* I'm assuming we're talking about the hardware/software combo, not just Mac OS - stevealford, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@jdunning: Don't knock someone's proofreading while you say "your" instead of "you're." Next you said "guys" instead of "guy's." Then you spelled "misspelled" incorrectly and forgot a comma.
- petsounds, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's not that they plan to get rid of the Mac or even distance themselves from making computers. But as they have grown as a company into making more than just computers, they've had to broaden their branding and identity -- hence the dropping of "Computer" from their name. Yes, that was a bittersweet moment, but the transition is important for Apple's future vitality.
I believe that the Mac will continue to be the hub of Apple's efforts. But it's important for them to diversify and grow as a company, and I think their consumer devices can only do good things for Mac sales as more people experience the unique user experience that Apple brings. - jdunning, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2onefish2, are you serious? Your bitching about the guys poorly written mispelled article? Do you even proof read your *****?
- LordVoldemort, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Naturally, people misconstrue my statement.
I didn't say it was a bad decision or without reason.
I just doubt the basis for the delay. - opticrime, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I feel that Steve Jobs could burn a billion dollars in cash in a giant bonfire on the front lawn in Cupertino and within a day there would be a story on Digg saying "Brilliant Cash-Burning Strategy Positions Apple For New Growth"
- geoken, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8I'm with estvir. Apple has done a lot of things to help them grow. The switch to intel and the subsequent ability to boot into Windows. Introducing a cheaper computer which significantly lowered Apple's 'cost of entry' and , on some levels, re-iterated the fact that Apple's work fine with your chepo monitor/mouse/keyboard (a lot of people where under the impression that mac's needed specific [read:expensive] Mac peripherals). There's a lot more, but my point is Apple has made so many good moves to increase market share I have a hard time believing the iPod is responsible for any significant portion of that growth.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I presume you mean 'do that MANY people....' - you might not but a lot of people do. And they check their spelling before complaining about others!
- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1willynilly, nobody ever did, it's still the same people as 10 years ago.
- gmprunner, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8Mmmm, icing....
- hungarianhc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'd say Jobs is positioning it to be the other way around...
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3The article made a lot fo sense when it noted that first release products demand more attention than a more established product - I'd say it sounds very reasonable to say the iPhone has drawn resources away from Leopard developments.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4''Apple Inc. has learned well from Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) failure to generate positive buzz on Vista.''
Posted as inaccurate they did not do well because their product sucked nothing more!
I call ***** on this and I'm a mac user. - strangewill, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I really do hope your next installment of the major operating system you guys put out is planned to be a long term investment... I would be concerned to hear otherwise...
- kdepa, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Wow are you serious? I did look through it, albeit briefly, as I didn't have the time to thoroughly go through it. I didn't notice any glaring errors. Don't assume that because I referenced spellcheck that I didn't proofread it, because you're dead wrong.
- tao52nyc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The iPod halo effect is beginning to show, actually. One of the first posters said an obvious truth: for Mac to increase its market share, Apple needs to sell more of them.
This they have done. Domestic Mac market share has grown an entire percentage point in the last 4 quarters, from 4% to 5% - they sold 715k Macs in Q107, as opposed to 550k this time last year. It's been the only real success story for the entire PC industry so far this year, with all the major computer makers either staying flat or (like Dell) losing ground. - johnpaul191, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1donsmith-
do you mean "does the iPhone count as a Mac?". interesting point. technically probably no, but it is a modified version of OS X. when we really get to play with the OS i am sure that will be debated. is it the ultra-portable tablet that some people have been craving for so long? i'm 99% sure it's what the rumor sites were really getting leaks about for the last 2 years or so.
i would think the iPhone, if successful, will be a better source of the halo-effect than an iPod. then again, i wonder how many non-Mac users will be buying one? the biggest appeal of an iPhone, to me, is the Mac compatibility that is missing with other smart phones.... not that i see myself buying an iPhone anytime soon. - Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2That's a funny joke in digg's new cake topic :P
- iZealot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Like the theory but it has little merit.
Microsoft Corp.’s Macintosh Business Unit (Mac BU) today announced at Macworld Conference & Expo 2006 a formal five-year agreement that reinforces Microsoft’s plans to develop Microsoft® Office for Mac software for both PowerPC- and Intel-based Macs.
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/jan06/01-10Macworld2006PR.mspx
Right from the horses mouth.
Plus why would they spend time developing a product then dun it and a strong revenue stream down the tubes? I dare say it would hurt Microsoft more than it would hurt Apple. Apple would just jump there users and put come push behind openoffice. - iZealot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1A ♠
- stevealford, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@kdepa: just because spellcheck gives no results doesn't mean nothing is misspelled. Here's an example for you: "I went two the store too get to cartons of milk." Maybe you should apply the things we all should have learned in high school (I'm not saying you didn't learn them, just that you didn't apply them) instead of relying on spellcheck and then saying someone is flaming for noticing things that you didn't. By referencing spellcheck, you're admitting that you didn't proofread it yourself.
- Sunnz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Do it, get yourself a free copy of Ubuntu.
- newbill123, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3We've heard about the top secret features, the instabilities, and the iPhone demands, and I think those rumors have strong merit. But I also speculate that Apple is (at least partially) waiting on Microsoft before introducing Leopard. Microsoft Vista? Nope, Microsoft Office for Macintosh 2008. It's been in development for years. It was to be released about the same time as Leopard and it is now delayed to sometime in the second half of 2007. Microsoft Office gives the Mac legitimacy in the eyes of many people (see the recent "I'm a Mac" ads that feature MS Office in the UK). Apple likes that Microsoft makes a version of their product for Mac OS X, and it wants to keep its enemies close.
But Apple has a lot of software that might be considered competitors to Microsoft Office. We already know Leopard will have new features in iCal and Mail that could ween more people from Outlook and Exchange. We've seen some people eagerly moving to current versions of Keynote and Pages, and everyone is expecting robust new features in iWork when Leopard hits the market. We know that Apple's FileMaker division is close to releasing version 9 (and has been trending toward features that are friendly to Access users). We know that AppleWorks will have to have some kind of update at least to take advantage of baseline Leopard features like resolution independence. So all in all, MS Office for Mac 2008 might have some stiff competition even without considering OpenOffice based or Google Office based competitors.
But if Apple puts these killer apps on the market before Microsoft, Microsoft might get cold feet, cancel the project, and keep the code in their vaults. That'd be a PR problem for Apple. Even a bad version of Microsoft Office available on the Mac is better than no version. The delay will help ensure that Microsoft at least puts the first round of it's cards on the table. - rimantas, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3@hiro
iPhone runs OS X, so this new trend will only strengthen the OS. - iamcool, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Apple seems to be drifting away from the Mac. Just go to apple.com and look at the tabs across the top. Not a single one says Macintosh or the name of a Mac computer. You have to look to the mini menu bar below for 'Get a Mac' or 'Hardware'. Right now it seems apple is turning to digital media distribution.
- NSResponder, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"But I also speculate that Apple is (at least partially) waiting on Microsoft"
Nope.
The only effect MS has on Apple is in the marketing department. Engineering would never hold up a release to wait for anything Microsoft was doing.
-jcr - LordVoldemort, on 10/12/2007, -11/+11I think the iPhone is just an excuse for delaying Leopard.
- conradpaul, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Who even wrote that? He's probably right, but that was kind of already the consensus.... Not a well-written story, mostly speculation, buried as lame.
- kdepa, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2misspelled? where? Sounds like you're flaming too. I ran it through a spellcheck, found nothing wrong.
- kernokerno, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1sorry, double post :/
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6kinda getting tired of hearing apple everyday... the brand is eroding
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- nd_miller, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Yea my local zoo delayed the opening of its Leopard exhibit too.
- hiro, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1I agree, they see their future in 'phones and iPods. The OS will probably be left to wither on the vine after Leopard, or they'll move to Windows and Dvorak will be proven right!
- onefish2, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3Its a poorly written and misspelled article. Based on that its not very credible and is really just a shot in the dark. I would have to say the investments that Apple has made with with regard to the iPhone are long term. They have to be. I also chuckled to myself about the line Apple has "iTunes and licensing of music," Do that may people want to buy a phone to listen to music on it? I don't. i have a phone that works well as a... well as phone phone and i have my iPods to listen to my music. Enough said...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2Nobody gives a ***** about OSs anymore. When I say nobody, that means the vast majority of people, of which the Digg community is not representative. If people can listen to their music, look at pictures and ***** compressed video, and browse the Web, that's all they care about.
Witness the removal of "computer" from Apple's company name. They know this is true, whether it's time to admit it or not. - djiivu, on 10/12/2007, -11/+2I'm still a little bit depressed. I was looking forward to dumping microsoft for college.
- donsmith, on 10/12/2007, -17/+5Here's a thought. What if the iPhone has 100M units like the iPod, would that increase the Mac's market share?
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