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- unloud, on 10/12/2007, -5/+38While the feature does seem useful I have to say: what on earth has happened to Apple's interface standards the past two years? Why have they increasingly hiding these features under right clicks and doing things that are so un-intuitive?
Also, why have they gotten multiple window happy lately? They used to pride themselfs with interfaces that are easily viewable in one window and with major features available one click away...It bugs me so much because I see them implementing all of these interesting ideas in their last few operating systems, but it gets marred by the lack of simplistic sensibilities that made me fall in love with the OS originally. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22http://duggmirror.com/apple/Mac_OS_X_Leopard_s_Quick_Look_Leapfrogs_Vista_in_File_Preview_Power/
- M4cb0y, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Direct link to videos:
http://www.musingsfrommars.org/video/quicklook1s2.mov
http://www.musingsfrommars.org/video/quicklook3s3.mov
http://www.musingsfrommars.org/video/quicklook2s.mov - nomore, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23I disagree. The whole UI paradigm for OS X has always been a document-based workflow (hense seperate windows) vs MS Windows which is a more task-based workflow (hense MDI)
- ozid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11i don't use OS X so maybe its a little hard for me to grasp, but if you have to right click and open it with the previewer, why not just open it anyways?
it does look interesting though. I have always wanted a Macbook to do my casual computing on. Maybe I will get one of the next generation ones after I am out of school. - ascheinberg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Oh jeez... another "let's rewrite the Finder in Cocoa" comment?
You do realize that just because the Carbon API was aimed at supporting Classic apps doesn't make it a bad thing, right? Because just about the only bad thing about Carbon is that it takes longer to develop an app than Cocoa might, something only developers care about. There are some other subtle differences (some people say they can spot the differences in the widgets), but for the most part, apps like iTunes prove that Carbon apps can be perfectly usable and successful. And many people complained about iPhoto when it make the Cocoa jump.
Lots of parts of the Finder work really well. I would think extending the current code is a better option than a COMPLETE rewrite. - FunkyWitDaSysTm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8am i the first to notice that the finder windows are no longer "brushed metal", but now rather have the itunes 7 interface?
i know we all saw this coming, but now LITERALLY we see it coming... - repruhsent, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12@jstone:
Yes, forcing users to configure every single thing on their system through a million files in /etc, each of which has a different format, is very innovative. Also forcing someone to use a damned "package manager" like Synaptic or apt-get is very innovative. It's the year 2006 people - can't we do something a little better than forcing everyone back to the 70s for command line loving every time we want to do something useful?
Before you start, I've used Ubuntu/Kubuntu, Red Hat, Fedora, CentOS, Gentoo, Debian, SuSE and a few other distributions. - Lazyboy0172, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11the page has seen the digg effect already...
and i dont see why this is better than vista. in vista you can easily adjust the size of the preview in Explorer, you can preview all files from videos to pictures to text documents right in the field where the icon normally would be, and those previews are all able to be resized. and all of these previews are accessible strait from the explorer, no need to install something or open the file in a preview mode like xp. - unloud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I really have nothing to say to you except please try to use a Mac before flaming without substance, and if you have tried a Mac please explain why so many people but you feel that it's more useful than just a computer to plug an MP3 player into.
Oh, nevermind. You were just trolling. I get it. - weaselmaster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The OS works well in part because it runs on a limited set of hardware.
Let Dell, Gateway and Acer make Mac hardware, and you'd be in the same boat as windows - reduced stability, and longer development and testing time for the OS. - tophu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5About the "Cocoa rewrite comment" above:
The same sentiment was echoed in the article itself. While Carbon and Cocoa are both first class citizens of Mac development frameworks, Cocoa apps use a LOT less code. While knee-jerk yelps of "Rewrite it in Cocoa!" are generally unwarranted, would you rather have the Finder team at Apple that is trying to maintain and upgrade Finder doing so with a codebase that counts its lines in the millions or in the thousands? - BWhaler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I agree.
People missed the whole point of single button mouse by default, support for multi-button mouses.
By assuming one button mouse, you couldn't hide functionality. It amazed me how people didn't get this.
This philosophy forced Apple and software developers to develop good UI's.
Now that they can assume two click functionality, it's rapidly becoming a windows world. "Hey just triple right click on the scroll bar to spell check." - arapro, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7thanks for the mirror
- idntunknwn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4> I can't even count anymore how many things they've been 'inspired' by lately.
What other things have there been? All I can think of is Spaces, and I personally think its a damn good implementation of virtual desktops.
> Anyways, it's about time some of these lesser operating systems started 'leap frogging' to catch up with Linux
I don't see how Linux is so much better. As other people have said in this thread, Linux has its own usability problems, namely in terms of configuration.
> And when KDE 4 comes out, it will change everything.
How so? The underlying base will still be just as difficult to use. Unless KDE 4 focuses on much more than just the UI, Linux as a whole will be largely unaffected - weaselmaster, on 11/11/2007, -3/+7There's a lot of people in the world...
Perhaps the people knocking windows
and the people praising OSX
are different people.
Calling a room full of people hypocrites because two of them have different views is, um... interesting behavior. You look to be the fool. - DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I think it will change with the final release. We'll just have to wait and see what the final activation method for quick look will be. Personally, I find the stuff at the last paragraph of the article the most exciting. Finally, thumbnail previews of movies, pdf's, etc.
- Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10Only now it's on an OS people are actually able to use! (and it looks good)
(Anyone who is able to operate entirely in Linux has my respect, though. Damned if I could without wanting to pull my hair out.) - playaj82, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Did anybody think that maybe this is just a nice feature for those people who USE OS X
Who cares whether Vista does or does not do this any better?
The point is that I do use OS X, and I do want this feature. If Linux or Windows already have it, great, but I want it for MY OS. - KyleMistry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Then just hit Command+2 or Command+3 in a Finder window with those many files.
- ZachPruckowski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Translucency is neither good nor bad. It's a tool. The issue is how well it's used. In the case of Vista, a lot of the earlier complaints centered around the fact that the way Glass was implemented, it sometimes wasn't clear which window was active or which was "on top of" another. In this case, it's useful because you only have transperency when you open a preview, and only in one or two windows at once, which circumvents that confusion. It's a question of which makes the system easier to use.
Also, Quick Look, Core Image, Quartz Extreme, and Core Animation run on a 32-64 MB graphics card, while Glass needs a 128 MB graphics card (64 MB is pushing it). - SanHolo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Yes, Ubuntu is easy to use. But it is FAR behind the Mac and Windows when it comes to simplicity. Heck, you have to use apt-get to get WPA-2 support! How the hell am I supposed to do that if there is only a WPA-2 protectet WiFi nearby?
Linux is great, no doubt, but it still has a very long way to go. - ozid, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12I use Vista right now. That isn't miraculous or anything, but it does look neat. I enjoy Vista enough to not be angry at some of the cool things Apple is doing. I actually really like a lot about Vista. But I did have a Vista/Hackintosh OS X setup on this computer for a while. But it seems near impossible to ever get it running as good as even Windows Me, so I just wiped it. I'll use that Partition for Edgy Eft.
But like I said (below?) this.... I will probably end up with a Mac or two once I get out of school and start working. - chrismcelligott, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11Thats really cool, expose is amazing and Apple is just throwing it at everything.
- folletto, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"I disagree. The whole UI paradigm for OS X has always been a document-based workflow (hense seperate windows) vs MS Windows which is a more task-based workflow (hense MDI)"
Workflow? Interesting thought.
That's because the Mac GUI is App-centered, while the Windows GUI is Document-centered:
* The task switches in OSX switches ALL the app in foreground, while in Windows just the selected window
* The task manager (Cmd+Tab) on OSX switches between apps, while in Windows between windows.
* The application menu on OSX clearly states the active application, with no equivalent in Windows that instead highlights the window on the taskbar.
* Office on Windows opens a NEW tab for each document you open (vs old versions that have just one application tab and MDI), while in OSX you have just the same way to task switch.
Some details:
http://daringfireball.net/2003/05/the_problems_with_clickthrough - offput, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10OK, before I even look at the result page, or try to defend my statement (as I know I'll be dugg to china) I have to state that I'm neither a windows nor a mac fanboy. I use my computer to do *****.
So, why is it that any tranlucencies in Vista are attacked, yet a Mac app can "invoke a gorgeous, translucent preview window" and be an amazing program. I think that it's a little hypocritical of Mac adherents to insult Vista and praise Mac for the exact same reason. - polyphonic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@ funkywitdasystm
a kb shortcut wouldn't be that much of a benefit for me... when i'm in finder i'm typically using the trackpad clicking through things, not the keyboard, so ctrl-click wouldnt be too different from a shortcut.
clicking the corner of the icon would be waaay rad though. - FunkyWitDaSysTm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2perhaps they put some sort of active badge on the icon (like the turned up corner on the icon) to be what triggers the quickview (or opt+click) rather than a contextual menu item. i'm sorry, but having to go into a context menu is a pain. i'm pretty sure, that even in that instance, there's still going to be a keyboard shortcut that i'll use more often anyhow.
;P - camix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4This is cool looking and a very nice feature but honestly I'm not the kind of person that likes icons. The first thing I do is change my folder views from icons to a plain old lists with details (size, type, etc). The whole icon thing is a nice thing but I see it as more of a pain in the ass than anything else because it takes longer to scroll through directories with lots of files. Just show me the file name and the extension and allow me to sort it by name, size, type or date and I'm good with that. I don't know if anyone else would agree with me but some times less GUI is more.
- dmoney06, on 10/12/2007, -13/+15This is a feature I have really been looking for and its just another reason to look forward to Spring 2007.
- KyleMistry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Then give a ***** about Apple hardware.
Get your phrases right, fool. - BWhaler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I can't wait to buy a Intel Mac and to put Leopard on it.
I am glad Apple is taking their time with Leopard. It looks like a fantastic OS. Tiger was a bit disappointing in my book, but Leopard looks like a ton of neat and cool things. - felchdonkey, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5To beg the question does not mean "to raise the question."
http://begthequestion.info/ - ZachPruckowski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Because Mac hardware is what pays for Mac software? I mean, Apple makes nice margins on the hardware, which funds the R&D of the OS. So essentially what you want is everything that makes Macs good, without having to pay for it. That doesn't work.
- DelMonte, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Using this preview thing you could scroll through hundreds of multi-megabytes photos that would probably take a while to open all at the same time in Photoshop, for example.
It's not just about previewing a single document. - iAlex, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Is this person allowed to show this? However GREAT!!!
- DelMonte, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have a friend that switched, and when I told him the Finder was about to be revamped in Leopard he said: "What? I really don't see what can be improved in the Finder, it's fine just the way it is."
I would like it if they did revamp it, as there are some quirks about some basic functionality that should be fixed. But if they only fix those and add a few features, I won't be outraged. - bobthedino, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Well yes, the brushed metal is gone (definitely a good thing) but the shade of the toolbar seems lighter than iTunes 7, and the scrollbars are definitely standard Aqua, rather than iTunes 7.
- DelMonte, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1QuickView was shown briefly during Leopard's unveiling at WWDC.
- polyphonic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i dont understand why tabs in either the new finder or explorer are not a given. it just seems like the next logical step.
or even better, how about the option of apple-n docking a new finder window onto the active one so it doesn't cover up the old one? like column view, except with thumbnails and disparate directories. - MOGua, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3OS X needs to "leapfrog" Vista in File-Navigation not File-Preview. The Finder sucks.
And don't tell me about spotlight or quicksilver for finding the file I want; sometimes I just want to browse my file system.
OS X Finder needs to be more like Path Finder, which pretty much looks just like the Vista Explorer.
*I'm a recent Mac switcher. - zacmccormick, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Preview details really aren't that useful. All of the most useful information (file size, time, extension, etc) are given to you and have been forever. When I'm looking for a file, the probability that I have no idea what I'm looking for and need the preview to find it is just about zero. If I'm looking for a movie file, the title is enough, I don't need to see frames of the video to confirm it. And for documents, I might as well just open the document, since that's what the preview window is doing...
Vista already does too much processing of the files in explorer, and it slows it way down as a result. If you open a folder with a bunch of mp3 files or video files, it goes through them all and opens them to find certain information like length and format, which can take a while if there are hundreds of files.
Who knows, maybe this will turn out to be useful. Does it support plugins to preview file formats not recognized out of the box? Does it slow down normal file browsing? Does it require a right click to preview? Is this really a leapfrog? or is it a gutsy move to implement something that MS could have years ago had they seen any resemblence of a gain in productivity? - leftspin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have yet to find any compelling argument why Finder is bad. I do, however, hear a bunch of people saying that it is. I wish someone would enlighten me.
- leftspin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Icons allow you to represent things spatially. For example, lots of times I have files in a folder that I'd like to organize according to something other than filename, modified date, etc. For example, group by task or sub-project. I don't want to create yet another folder structure (for example, XCode source files--if you move them, you have to reconfigure your project). I usually put such folders in icon mode and make visual clusters of files. Heck, I do that on my desktop. Over there, I have a pile of URLs I should revisit, and over on the other side I have a files related to a web site I'm building.
I think you're really missing something if you completely live in list mode, or have turned auto-arrange on. - jonasf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Quick Look seems not only limited to Finder: See http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/spotlight.html
- kendals, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Thanks Billy!
- whistlerpro, on 10/31/2007, -0/+1Little does he know... he will be waiting more than a year... eh folks?
- whistlerpro, on 10/31/2007, -0/+1don't get your hopes up, it'll only be the iPhone.
- fanboydcs, on 10/12/2007, -11/+11wow, that is awesome, Cant wait till macworld!
- TomMcBaum, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Article's been pulled.
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