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- Protoss, on 10/11/2007, -4/+28This looks fairly obvious. A build each month, each fixing bugs. I call shenanigans.
- oOLiquidNightOo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+20i'm using it currently as well & i would have to agree with you at this point. leopard is mainly a refined version of tiger. that being said the improvements are significant. here's my impressions after 24 hours:
i was a little embarrassed that one of the features that jobs focused on was the new 3d reflecting dock. i understand that aesthetics is a big part of what makes os x a great os but i actually found this feature to be a bit distracting. stacks on the other hand are wonderful. they eliminate the need for miscellaneous folders on your desktop to hold your current work/projects.
finder is lives up to it's billing as much more coherent and useful. the coverflow view wears off as practical fairly quickly for general file review but quickview is surprising more robust than i thought it would be. mp3 files show up as album covers (if your mp3 tag has the art saved) and quickview allows you to listen to songs without firing up itunes.
i also found spaces to be more useful than i expected. you're able to assign applications to a certain "space" so that whenever you're using the application in populates in it's own space. this allows you to have applications open in full without having to minimize from app to appl. this works great for applications like ical, mail and safari.
speaking of safari (3.0), it's impressive but they've done away with the simbl packages. so modules like saft, pith helmet & safari block no longer block flash and ad banners. i don't think there's a solution/application to resolve this as of right now. seeing digg with all it's banner intact is .. sobering.
i have not used timemachine so i have no opinion on that.
leopard loads a bit slower than tiger however when the os actual begins the auto login applications load *much* faster than tiger. i'm assuming this is because of the 64 bit architecture but i'll be the first to admit that i'm ignorant regarding that matter.
i would say that overall the release is stable but there are a few bugs that make it worth holding off on. for example i installed it on a macbook pro. now whenever i close my laptop it will not recover from hibernation. i've tried everything that i can think of the resolve the issue (including disk/permissions repair, resetting pram etc) so at this point in think the problem is os based. for this sole reason, after this weekend, i'll probably convert back to tiger.
all of this being said, there are no omg new features but i will be purchasing leopard when it launches in october.
(if you're from apple and reading this post - i assure you these comments were strictly hypothetical.) - Dankoozy, on 10/11/2007, -9/+19OS X 10.5 is much more important than that stupid iPhone thing that is permanently and irreversibly bound to a group of thieving bastards known as AT&T
Apple gotta get their priorities straight. - virtualball, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9"Leopard is absolute garbage for endusers, but a dream for developers."
So eventually it'll be a dream for both? - dustinmacdonald, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9October, $129.
- Alegoo92, on 10/11/2007, -14/+21What's a roadmap?? God, what is it?! I have no idea but it's Leopard news and I'm shaking in excitement!
- Luigi239, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7I would call the new, unified GUI and improvement. Not revolutionary, but looks a heluva lot better then Tiger.
- jbham184, on 10/11/2007, -6/+12cant wait till october
- timdorr, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7"If they were to sell it as is right now, i wouldn't buy it, the pros don't out weigh the cons"
Uh yeah, that's why it's called a beta and won't be out for 4 months... - Alegoo92, on 10/11/2007, -10/+16I've used it: it's fantastic for my needs, and I really think Vista (but probably not Ubuntu) compares palely to it.
- macusernick, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6so says the person who has an "i" in the front of their username... oh, and I know my username starts with a mac... but i like to brag.
- Luigi239, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Leopard has many under the hood improvements. The most obvious one is Core Animation. Most people say that core animation helps coverflow work much better then in Tiger. It also lets developers create alot of inovative UI's. Leopard also has better support for multiple cores, and many other under the hood performance enhancements, allong with the many features that you just said. And remember, this is a Beta, so the fact that hibernation doesnt work really doesnt surprise me.
I am actually really looking foreward to leopard, and will be buying it on day one. - kris33, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I have no problems with the Leopard beta at all actually. Everything works great. The new features are really improvements too. They seriously increases effectivity.
I agree 100% with this review actually:
http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=54801&view=findpost&p=391905 - ventro, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5illuminous was an illusion, alluded to by industrious idiots.
- greerso, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I'm having exactly the same problem with waking up the macbook pro after shutting the lid. bluetooth dont work for me either, causes bluetooth and system preferences to lockup completely if I try to partner with my blackjack. I wonder if I can just do an "upgrade install" of tiger to get me back to where i was?
- TriZz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I just installed this on my macbook - and I can't get the bluetooth working. It acts like it doesn't have an adapter built in for it. Anyone else with this issue?
- joshpar, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3of course... you realize the reason it hasn't been released yet is for these very reasons. Experienced *nix users that have problems with it are exactly who apple wants testing this thing out. So make sure you report the problems. This isn't a ready to use OS... this is a stage in development.
- infobhan, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Apple will make a lot more money off the iPhone than they will make off of Leopard.
- Takuro, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Wow that roadmap revealed .... absolutely nothing. Aside from generalizations, like that it'll undergo testing in the weeks before release (duh), nothing too amazing was mentioned.
- neondiet, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I'm not saying the lack of a location bar is a good thing, just the lack of it hasn't caused me any grief to date. Then again, my job function isn't the same as yours: I design/build/integrate Unix/Linux Cluster/Server and SAN solutions for a living.
I do see your point though with the AFP shares. It would be pretty handy for that. I wonder if it's settable by an Applescript that could be called from an automatic folder action. For instance I have a script that I use to connect (SSH) into servers I'm working on that adjusts the Terminal title bar contents using "escape codes" issued with this command: printf "\033]0; ${user}@${node} (SSH) \007". Maybe some lateral thinking along those lines could give you a solution until Apple wake up to your plight. - bugfaceuk, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Haven't seen it full size blah blah, but so far I agree.... I guess I'll have to see it it in action before I decide but at least there are already hacks to turn it off.
- Radan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Am I'm the only one who's not that fond of the new menubar? Oh, and btw, how come they are still using the aqua scrollbars instead of the iTunes ones?
- mfearby, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2What I don't seem to get is the endless supply of Mac fanboys that jump to the Finder's defense with all manner of reasons why the lack of a location bar is really a good thing because of the plethora of workarounds for it. You might very well be happy to open a Terminal window to compensate for the Finder, but I don't usually drop to a DOS prompt to accomplish my file management tasks in Windows because Explorer usually lets me see where I am and I can drag files from one window to another quickly and easily with the assurance that I'm dragging from the correct folder because its location is right there in front of my eyes - no having to command-click on the title bar each time I want to be sure I have the right window.
I've said it before here on digg but I'll say it again. Let's assume that I work regularly with multiple web sites though the Finder, with shares and files such as these:
afp://server1/htdocs/index.html
afp://server2/htdocs/index.html
afp://server3/htdocs/index.html
Now, how do you suppose I could easily tell which web site is which if all three Finder windows are titled "htdocs"? Being a Mac fanboy, I suppose you'll tell me to use the colouring feature in Finder to differentiate between them, or command-click on the title of each window each time I want to make sure I'm looking at the htdocs window for a particular server... This, to me, is just plain ridiculous. Using the same reasoning, icons for files should all be white with no markings and each time I want to see if the file is a web page or a Word document I should command-click it to reveal a drop-down menu listing its MIME type. THIS is the kind of reasoning I just don't understand!
I actually reckon that Apple are pissed off that they didn't think of the location bar idea first, and since every other operating system has it, Steve Jobs just can't bring himself to allow such an innovation because it'll be seen as catching up. So, to save Steve's pride, he's just going to put up with rubbish and pretend it's not a problem. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Yeah its a beta, but i still expected better. On tiger, i can click network and pick up my ubuntu box easlisy. With leopard i can't i checked every setting possible and it just doesnt seem to work. The leopard dock is exactly the same except it has the shiny square under it (pointless) the drawer is ok. The look is better, but still permissions are a pain and not that easy to get working correctly. Point is , tiger networking works great, and now in leopard, (so far) its not so great. How could it of got worse? I was hoping for a tabbed finder, (didnt happen)
- heffeque, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4Agreed. I'll have to wait 'till Christmas to get my MBP because of that :-(
- neondiet, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3
Man, if it's that important to you, why don't you get into the OS X development community, do some research and see if you can hack it or write your own utility to add the functionality you want. Lots of people have written apps that extend existing Apple apps. You have an itch, try and scratch it. I'm guessing what you want is something similar to the path view that appears at the bottom of Finder when you use the "Search Box".
And just for the record, I have 159,713 files under my home directory, consuming 62GB and spanning 17 years worth of data accumulated in this (Unix) industry, so I do more than "shuffle a few photos around" in my home folder. I use my MBP 7 days a week for both work and pleasure, and I _don't_ share your dim view of the Finder. I operate almost exclusively in multi-column view where I can see at a glance most of my path, and important work folders are moved in and out of the side bar as needed.
If you're really a power user as you claim, then you probably spend quite a bit of time at the Bash prompt. In which case you can "cd" to where you need to go and then "open ." ( the . = $PWD) to get an instant Finder view of where you're at. - BrickSprickly, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You make a good point. But how many of the those laptop are running Leopard? ;)
- Ireland, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Well at least it seems Aqua is making a quiet exit, just as Micky-blue-eyes up in Redmond is only getting in Aero.
- oOLiquidNightOo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1i have had no trouble with bluetooth, however i use a 3rd party app called onsync for syncing my cell phone. you might wanna give that a try? if anyone resolves the failure to wake from sleep issue, please let me know. thx.
- mfearby, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2The shell is very handy but if I want to move lots of little files around, I'm not going to type it all out in the Terminal; I'd much prefer the convenience of the GUI, but since it's a tad crippled, having no nice and easy way to see where a folder is in the hierarchy [particularly deep hierarchies in column view means having to scroll back and forth all the time to confirm where you are], there's no way I'm paying for a Mac with my own money.
I only use one at work, some of the time, so I'm not going to waste my time figuring out some hack or add-on to the Finder that Apple are only going to cripple one day (I know all about ShapeShifter and how Apple won't support you if you've done anything to tinker with the GUI).
Nope, until the Mac Finder is fixed, I see no reason why I should have to change the way I do things and give up simple conveniences that I've taken for granted in Windows and Linux for years and years. If it weren't for the Finder, I'd happily hand over my money for a Mac tomorrow, and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone given that all of my Windows/Linux friends and colleagues laugh at how useless the Finder is. - neondiet, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1
I've been working with Unix operating systems for 17 years. Upgrading is often quite easy, but downgrading is not. You should have taken a full backup of your system before upgrading to the Beta version of Leopard such that you can restore that backup if you need to. i.e. boot from the install CD, wipe the hard drive from Disk Utility, then restore your backup.
If you didn't take a backup, then this will be a useful life lesson for you. Same if you've done this to your production work horse. You should only run Beta operating systems on spare kit that is not core to your business. - BrickSprickly, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Apple's (like any good corporation) priority is making lots of money. That is all. Leopard will make them very little money. The iPhone, on the other hand, will make them quite a bit of money if it's a success.
- heffeque, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I beg to differ. They are selling 14% of US laptops today and it's not because of their pretty colors.
- deadbaby, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2I totally disagree. I don't have any major problems or complaints about OSX 10.4 so I'm willing to wait a few more months for Leopard. The iPhone on the other hand is a completely new product for Apple that ultimately will get more people using the Mac platform. New operating systems don't really sell computers -- Apple is going for the Trojan horse effect of people buying an iPhone, loving it, and deciding to buy a Mac by the time X-Mas rolls around.
- Ireland, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1At this stage, personally, I'd wait until December if it meant them completely getting rid of all the bugs they find. I want this release to be quick and polished, not rushed.
- mfearby, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2"I hate ahving the path in plain view. 99.99% of the time I'm in my user folder or applications folder anyway. There is no reason to have it."
Well, good for you, mate, but for some of us who actually do more than shuffle a few photos around in our own home folders, a folder/address bar is an absolute time saver. If there's no reason for you and Steve Jobs to have it, why should those of us who would benefit greatly from it not even have it as an optional extra for us to drag to the top of the window ourselves? I could well understand not showing it by default so that Apple's precious "average user" isn't scared stiff by it, but to not even provide an option for experienced/power users is simply spiteful. - LeonardNimrod, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Apple has never stated: " If that's the case, then Apple really need to stop saying that the Mac is the best and greatest operating system for all kinds of users."
You can also hold down the Control key and click the file/folder name in the title bar to see the path. I hate ahving the path in plain view. 99.99% of the time I'm in my user folder or applications folder anyway. There is no reason to have it. - Ireland, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1"OS X 10.5 is much more important than that stupid iPhone thing that is permanently and irreversibly bound to a group of thieving bastards known as AT&T"
You forgot the word "you" in that comment. It's not more important to Apple. Besides, all this multi-touch work they are doing on this "OS X" iPhone will lay a solid foundation, and will make it far easier for them when they (if they aren't already) make their iTablet, and multi-touch Mac's, cause rest assured that stuff is coming in 2008. - tony.pitale, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2I totally agree, there darn well better be settings to put that stuff back. The excuse that the menu bar is translucent to let us see our background images is bogus, the menu bar is the tiniest little strip and a photograph that has the focus of the shot in those 30px's should not be used as a desktop image.
- kingyubba, on 10/11/2007, -6/+6hmmm... when does the Ultimate version ship?
\just kiddin' - mfearby, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2I bash the Finder in every Leopard story because the Finder is so lame that it pisses me off every time I read some useless review that glosses over it and pretends that it's a useful tool. It's not useful for somebody who carries out file management tasks more than your grandmother. Having to pay for a third-party app like Path Finder just to get an address bar is like paying for a web browser. It's stupid. Nobody pays for such basic things these days. Until the Finder is brought into the late-20th century then I'm going to point out how useless it is at every available opportunity, just to remind you people :-)
- mfearby, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3The one thing I was hoping that Apple would finally fix, to make Mac file management bearable, is a location/address bar in the Finder, and I see that Apple have let everybody down in that regard. Not being able to easily distinguish multiple folders apart that share the same name is a major drawback, so major that I just can't believe Apple tout their Finder as such an amazing tool; it's not amazing, it's a toy, and until they include some _basic_ features it will forever remain so and hinder the uptake of the Mac by many Windows and *nix people dreaming about the perfect machine (which is what the Mac could be if the Finder was actually usable, and by usable I do not mean a cheap and nasty "path button" or "command shift g" or having to pay for Path Finder!
- neondiet, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1I don't get this. What you're saying makes no sense at all. If I want to see where a folder is in the filesystem hierarchy (which is very rare as I usually know where I've gone when I get there) then command-click on the folder icon next to the name in the window title bar and it shows you. That's default behavior; no add ons, or mods or anything.
As for moving loads of files around from the shell, in my experience files to be processed in bulk usually have common extensions and/or predictable patterns to their filenames; size has nothing to do with it. So constructing a pattern matching move command to move thousands of files in one go is trivial. For instance, if I wanted to move all XML files that began with "B" or "H" and contained the words "bread" or "cheese" from my Downloads directory into a food database upload area I could do: "mv ~/Download/[BH]*{bread,cheese}*.xml /var/food/db/upload". And that works whether its moving 2 files or 2,000,000. For a couple of files it's easier to use the Finder, but for anything more than a screen full you'll be way more productive in Terminal.
And there's something else Finder can do that I've not seen anywhere else. Spring loaded folders. For example, just select the file to move, click and hold and drag it to another folder in view, or on your side bar. Hold it over the new folder and watch that folder open up underneath you. Move it to another folder inside that one and watch it do the same again and again and again until you get where you want. I move files around like this all the time, and I don't have to have the destination view anywhere in sight before I start the move. I just expand my view as I walk the file tree with Spring Loaded folders. If you use this a lot you'll want to tune the delay interval before a folder springs open in Finder preferences. I have it set as short as possible. - mscman, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1@mfearby: "You might very well be happy to open a Terminal window to compensate for the Finder, but I don't usually drop to a DOS prompt to accomplish my file management tasks in Windows..."
I wouldn't do that either, but that's because the command line in Windows sucks (BTW, it's not true DOS anymore, just thought you'd like to know).
"Now, how do you suppose I could easily tell which web site is which if all three Finder windows are titled "htdocs""
There IS more than one way to view files in Finder. Perhaps you would find column view more suitable to your needs. Yes, there are workarounds to problems, and most of us are fine with them. If you truly don't like it, then don't use a Mac or fix it yourself, it's as simple as that. - mfearby, on 10/11/2007, -5/+3Allow me to reiterate: _and by usable I do not mean a cheap and nasty "path button"_
Having to click on a button to show an afterthought-menu listing the folders above the current one is pretty lame. Every other file manager out there offers a location/address bar, so why not the Mac? Is it because the Mac is supposed to be used only by Grandma and Grandpa who aren't supposed to know about hierarchies? If that's the case, then Apple really need to stop saying that the Mac is the best and greatest operating system for all kinds of users.
I have to deal with files and folders all over the file system and throughout a network and not being able to quickly and easily tell where I am slows me down and aggravates me if I have to click on the stupid path button or option click on windows all the time! This is nothing short of lame and until the Finder gets some basic functionality it will forever remain a toy in the eyes of system administrators, like myself (who, if it weren't for the Finder, could easily make the Mac my next computer) - nosferatuz, on 10/11/2007, -2/+0another delay! this sounds bad... looks like the right time to move to Vista!
- nick2, on 10/11/2007, -6/+4I can't wait for an exact release day so I can begin a countdown!
- kelly, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2The Apple hataz are out in full force today
- macslut, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1Drag the Path button to your Finder's toolbar.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -17/+12I've used the latest leopard already , and coming from a mac fan, its not that great so far. So yeah, it has a few new features, still the networking from it to my ubuntu box is almost impossible, i dont seem smb enabled, no matter what i tried. The permissions are really a mess, i somehow locked myself out of the documents folder (this coming from a long time *nix user) If they were to sell it as is right now, i wouldn't buy it, the pros don't out weigh the cons
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