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Mac OS X Leopard Only Has One Remaining Bug, Scheduled for October Release

macrumors.com — Mac OS X 10. 5 Leopard build 9A559 was listed as having two bugs, but now it turns out one was a test feature for printer drivers in Software Update. OS X 10.5 Leopard now only has one bug remaining, and is still on schedule for an October release.

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  • AdamLeopard, on 10/10/2007, -35/+2Finally somebody found out it comes in October. The first person I have seen who got it right =P. Anyway I can't wait. The full version comes soon!
    • ElbridgeGerry, on 10/10/2007, -0/+25We got the release date at WWDC.
    • kevnaca, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Wow, you obviously don't care enough to keep up with Leopard news. Anyways I have the latest seed and it's phenomenally stable and fast. I'd say the next release is the Gold Master.
    • bias, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15OMG the first and only bugfree operating system or software finally arrive soon.
  • TannerC, on 10/10/2007, -3/+40Rawr.
    • Ireland, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Yeah, but why release only that one remaining bug, surely the OS would be a better choice? ;)
      • afx1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1can't wait for that bug to be released in october!
  • flipmeat, on 10/10/2007, -6/+100Let's see how this article fares two weeks after release. One bug, my foot.
    • ElbridgeGerry, on 10/10/2007, -11/+4One *outstanding* bug.
      • lilricky, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5That they know about, lets make sure people know this, I guarantee that there is more than one bug in this build. Buried for inaccurate title.
        • streak, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1You believe Apple only knows about one bug? Impossible. They're only talking about one bug. As Donald Rumsfeld would say, there are the knowns, the known unknowns and the unknown unknowns. In any complex piece of software, there are plenty of each.
    • 4ndr3w, on 10/10/2007, -2/+41Software can never be bug free. If I remember correctly, Windows is allowed to ship with some bugs still there, and I have no doubt Leopard will ship with bugs.

      It's new software people.
      • Tyr7BE, on 10/10/2007, -16/+3But but but....but it's APPLE! *rolleyes*
      • threemagic, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6as a co-worker of mine says to me when I try pre-release and just released software:

        point oh, just say no
      • Firehed, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2True, but it's not allowed to ship with show-stoppers or anything major. Vista's goal didn't ship until the number of minor known bugs was under 500. Which sounds like a ton, but the vast majority were tiny UI issues like something being off by a pixel.
        • afx1, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3...or local disk file transfers taking extraordinarily long in explorer. just minor things like that.
    • CraigJ, on 10/10/2007, -0/+17All production software ships with known bugs, but these are generally of the low severity, low priority (not expected to be encountered frequently) It is statistically impossible to remove all the bugs from modern software. This must be a high severity issue. No way there is only one outstanding defect.
      • mlambir, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0well... the other day i made a totally bug-free program:

        #include stdio.h

        int main()
        {
        printf("hello world!");
        }

        i dont know how this comment system works, the #include thing is wrong, but was ok when i pasted it
        • esquilax, on 10/16/2007, -0/+1RONG. your main method needs to return an int! :)
      • mlambir, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0comments suck... digg down
    • npsken, on 10/10/2007, -15/+1edit: digg doesn't allow php code evidently.
      • buggedcom, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13name one commenting system that does.
        • Yarnage, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2A bad, custom one typically made when someone just learned or doesn't know PHP/ASP
      • srg13, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5mysql_query("DROP TABLE comments,diggs");

        EDIT: Dammit! Didn't work... (Didn't even show up with the opening and closing tags) ;-)
      • zongamin, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1idiot
    • metateck, on 10/10/2007, -0/+28Did you actually think you could post php code and make it execute?
    • Ireland, on 10/10/2007, -2/+41 BIG bug, 1000's of little ones. Let's hope it's not a repeat of Tiger. We shouldn't need 10 point releases to get it to this stage.
    • macskickass, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Dude, I'm as big an Apple fan as any and even I have to agree with you on that one!
      • tdous, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1It's an aside really, but it's a sad state of affairs that people have to say things like that. Despite being a fan of this tech company/platform I am capable of rational thought. If more people took the approach of calmly thinking before speaking or writing then I'm sure we would all get along better, and perhaps move beyond our exclusionist cultures and evolve a little.
  • kittell, on 10/10/2007, -6/+141*one remaining KNOWN bug.
    • Grogtron, on 10/10/2007, -3/+33One remaining KNOWN bug that they're not willing to SHIP with.

      I wouldn't be surprised if their actual internal database is still north of 10 thousand.
      • d00d, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10Thank god. There's at least one other person on Digg that ACTUALLY understands software development.

        I was beginning to fear that only the teens were left here.
    • HouseFan, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3And probably is a showstopper bug.
    • gotamd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2THANK YOU! It's ridiculous claim to say that a modern OS close to release has only one bug in it.
  • kf6zql, on 10/10/2007, -5/+70I just submitted 2 bugs today... guess they fixed them beforehand.
    • wstrucke, on 10/10/2007, -9/+6not that i doubt your accuracy, but to play devils advocate, what you find to be a big isn't necessarily a problem on their end.
      • kf6zql, on 10/10/2007, -1/+18Audio cuts out on a macbook pro after about 3 seconds of having it set. Turn it up, 3 seconds later it mutes. Every single time. I would consider that significant.
        • Firehed, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1As a MBP user, thanks for the warning!
    • csixty4, on 10/10/2007, -1/+64Of course. They used the Time Machine feature.
    • rickcarson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Do you mind if I ask *how* you submitted the bugs? I signed up (late to the party I know) a couple of months ago for the developer program and couldn't figure out how to submit bugs - they did that big multi-choice feedback thing but that wasn't enough to provide details. Everything is so top secret and NDA that finding info on it was nigh impossible.
      • yabos, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4bugreport.apple.com
        • rickcarson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Thanks, I'll check it out. I know about developer.apple.com, from back before the latest site redesign, before they obliterated all trace of such a thing.
          I wonder what else they have hidden but accessible to the public?
      • ilgaz, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Free Developer accounts have no right to use Leopard so the choices are missing from the bugreporter I hope you didn't torrent it and try to bug report to apple :)

        • rickcarson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Nope, I signed up for the "most expensive t-shirt in the world" edition. :D
  • hotfreelancer, on 10/10/2007, -5/+13I wonder when the launch date will be...I am looking at buying an apple laptop
    • kevnaca, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6October 31st is likely (or 30th considering that's a Tuesday)

      Apple tends to take their time, which is a good thing when speaking of a new OS.
      • Dotdotdot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+17That's not what people said about Windows Vista...
        • Firehed, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Yeah, but people will find any reason to hate on Microsoft. It wouldn't have mattered either way.
      • Grogtron, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1Considering the bump with the iPhone, and the gratuitous bugs in 10.4... I'm not so sure or as forgiving.

        It would be nice though, especially since Apple doesn't fix things after the fact unless it's _very_ serious.
    • Grogtron, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1Considering the bump with the iPhone, and the gratuitous bugs in 10.4... I'm not so sure or as forgiving.

      It would be nice though, especially since Apple doesn't fix things after the fact unless it's _very_ serious.
    • alantocheri, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You get a coupon for a free copy of Leopard when it ships.
  • saleens281, on 10/10/2007, -3/+17How about the whole "applications automatically dock themselves and cannot be used without a reboot" bug? I don't see it mentioned, it definitely isn't fixed, and it definitely is a showstopper.
    • seventoes, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1How do you know thats not the remaining bug? :-/
    • zongamin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1you really think they would release it if that was the bug???? are you drunk?
  • SoCalChris, on 10/10/2007, -5/+6And how many existing bugs were pushed to the next version so Apple could ship this version sooner?
  • sockpuppets, on 10/10/2007, -2/+31If it's a cockroach they're screwed.
    • unmarked, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1that's easy, apply quick, hard pressure with shoe.. end of bug!!
      Now Giant Cockroaches.. that's a whole different ball game.
  • BarbaraKolbe, on 10/10/2007, -1/+20October 1 or October 31?
    • Me1000, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4the last friday in october!
    • Ireland, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Going to wait until 2008 myself, why deal with the release bugs. If you are contemplating moving to Mac, or wanting to get a new Mac, and you're thinking; "should I wait until Leopard?". I say no way, get your Mac now, and wait for 10.5.1 or 10.5.2 to move to the next cat, Leopard.
  • z3r0c0O1, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Can't wait to get it.
  • ciano, on 10/10/2007, -17/+1Whatever. I haven't liked Leopard from the start. It's new interface and gimmicks have an all too Windows-ish feel to them.
    • JoshuaGross, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3You've got it all wrong, man. Windows has a Mac-y feel.
      • GawtMilk, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2They've both got very modern interfaces.
  • ZackWolk, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6What's the bug?
    • uptown, on 10/10/2007, -9/+24It only runs on Apple computers.....
    • ilgaz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1The only bug is... It doesn't boot!
      :)
      (idiotic Apple lawyers: I am joking, I don't even touch that thing until 10.5.2 ships)

  • TVarmy, on 10/10/2007, -6/+3My laptop, a Macbook Pro, was recently stolen, and I'm planning to buy one this weekend as I need a computer for school. What are my chances of having the new laptops come out in 2 weeks, when I can still get it exchanged?
    • evildorko, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5pretty minimal. Usually when a new OS comes out, they just include a copy of the OS disc to upgrade until stock runs out and they produce them with the OS installed...
    • sp1keNARF, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15you just have to ensure that you and another million people buy them at the same time, then flood the internet with whiny stories when they're updated in two months, and jobs will give you a $750 apple store credit.
    • xaxxon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6plus you'll have to pay a 15% restocking fee
    • uptown, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Buy something from a store with no return penalty until Leopard comes out......
    • DoTheFandango, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1check out MacRumors.com and their buying guide for when is the best time to buy Apple.
    • Firehed, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I've heard that if you buy within three months of a major OS update, they'll let you upgrade for free. But don't take my word for it, because I certainly haven't tried. Find someone who knows for sure.
  • zerplex, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14super sweet video chat here i come.
    • Ireland, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Yeah, and screen sharing that's a breeze to use.
  • hadiz, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12Let's hope this release coincides with some new macbooks
  • trogdoor, on 10/10/2007, -1/+22No project has no bugs, and no project of this size has even no known bugs.
    When OS X is released it will mean only that there are no known bugs which are by whatever criteria deemed to be unnacceptable for a released product, nothing more.
    • ywwg, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3LaTeX has supposedly had zero bugs since 1995. If you find a bug, Donald Knuth will pay you money: http://www.truetex.com/knuthchk.htm
      • acidity, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Its Tex. LaTeX is by Leslie Lamport. Its due to the fact that not much code development/addition was done after 1995. Still, Donald Knuth is GOD!
    • trogdoor, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I think that Tex ( Tex != LaTeX ) is a slightly smaller code base than the entirety of OS X and its bundled Applications.
    • patrickloggins, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Of course, but they aren't claiming that.
    • Firehed, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I hate it when people say "no" software has no bugs. There's an extremely high likelihood that a product of any decent size has bugs, but I wouldn't expect to find a lot of problems in "Hello World!".
  • raw10, on 10/10/2007, -2/+41Everything else is..... A FEATURE!
    • aliguana, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1lol... well, the problem with bug reports, fixes and betas, is there there will NEVER be "just one bug left". Even a large developer and tester team finds, when product is released to the masses, bugs will sprout out from the walls. Good to see the OS is on track though
      • raw10, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Of course... I'm not doubting that their "issue" tracking system reports 1 known top priority bug remaining. The problem is that marketing seems to have co-opted the process.
        (typed from a MacBook Pro)
  • 83457, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11There will always be bugs
  • soupyc, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3If the brown note makes whoever hears it crap their pants, this is the white note that makes Apple fans everywhere...well...you get the idea.
  • mrmacky, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7Obviously it will ship with some kind of bug, every piece of software has inherent flaws.

    But on the positive side, I for one, will be happy to purchase an OS that has 0 known bugs on launch-day. (Not like Microsoft could say the same about Vista)
    • trogdoor, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4"I for one, will be happy to purchase an OS that has 0 known bugs on launch-day."

      What OS to you plan to buy, because that certainly can't be said of OS X ( nor any non-embedded OS )
      • rdoger6424, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1My favorite bug-free OS is on my old computer. I took the hard drive, RAM, motherboard, and power supply to get it working, but after that, I never had any problems.
  • leopardboy, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1Leopard 9A559 has a new glassy look and has not a single problem with it. I think this will be the final seed if they do not use the 3rd-party Software update.
  • reallydigginit, on 10/10/2007, -8/+2Bugs, no bugs— it's going to RULE over Vista.
    • aliguana, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2depends what you do with it, what your expectations are, what your workflows are. One OS doesn't "rule" another, more than any dvd player "rules" another - they all have different strengths and weaknesses, some have more features, some have easier features, some look prettier, but they all do essentially the same thing
      • reallydigginit, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2For me if one sytem allows greater productivity, greater stability, fewer viruses, etc. it RULES over the other. DVD players don't work like that.
  • nakile, on 10/10/2007, -6/+2I just hope that it has less bugs than Vista.
    • ronaldst, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Just hope Apple doesn't release more than 11 service packs this time.
  • FredFredrickson, on 10/10/2007, -7/+7Only a month away until you get to pay for an OS that's more or less the one you have now with a few added features. Great!
    • Stirk, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Leopard has plenty of under the hood improvements.
      I'm really looking foreword to 64 bit and 32 bit apps side by side. This is really going to launch mac users into the 64 bit age
      • handsoffme, on 10/10/2007, -6/+8Oh yeah, cause so many Mac users have more than 4GB of addressable memory. What a revolutionary improvement.
        • DelMonte, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2"Oh yeah, cause so many Mac users have more than 4GB of addressable memory. What a revolutionary improvement"

          This just goes to show you don't know what you're talking about. Tiger already supports 64-bit memory addressing. Having a 64-bit processor is not only about having more than 4GB of RAM.

          Leopard's 64-bitness is bringing full support for 64-bit registers and other 64-bit aspects of the CPU. Mac OS X 10.5 will make full use of 64-bit processors while remaining fully compatible with 32-bit apps, unlike Vista which is divided between the 32 and 64-bit versions, each running their own versions of the apps.
    • rdoger6424, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1And vista's competitor, OS X Leopard is doing the same thing :p
    • arctic, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0New computers will have it installed, so not really "paying" for it.
  • mstrebe, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4Only one bug? Yeah! No need for updates!
  • leopardboy, on 10/10/2007, -7/+0I am sure of this because I am a developer for apple and I get all of the updates. I know this for sure that it has way less bugs than vista will ever have.
    • Jeffler, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Of course it will have less bugs than vista will ever have. But will it ever have as many bugs as vista has now?

      /grammarcorrecting
      • leopardboy, on 10/10/2007, -8/+0No it will not. That is a Fact because Apple is way better the Microsoft.
        • tdous, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1And another fact. You're not a complete tool.
  • melllvar37, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1do backdrops now work with macbooks / mac mini?
  • flipmeat, on 10/10/2007, -14/+3If you're shopping for a new Mac, get it now. Do not wait. Tiger is very mature with 10 major updates full of fixes. New machines with Leopard installed WILL NOT RUN TIGER. You can upgrade a current machine, you can set up partitions and dual-boot Tiger and Leopard, but a new Leopard system will not boot Tiger. New machines have the latest OS as their minimum requirement to run.
  • leopardboy, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1That is not true you could still run tiger but why would you want to do that.
  • jtown, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0They fixed the OpenType font caching bug? Awesome!
  • stutimandal, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Leopard will run so fast that bugs will fail to fly with it. LOL, how can anyone count the number of bugs remaining?

    Wait till the OS is out and you would see 1000s.
  • Arctirus, on 10/10/2007, -3/+18Buried as inaccurate. There is no OS with only 1 bug.
    • aliguana, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5even Tiger, which has been out for what.. keeps having updates. Leopard will come out, then an update, then another, then another... same as every other OS since the beginning of computing.
      • ilgaz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2As a side note, even MAINFRAME operating systems like S/390 are getting updates, check IBM site :)

  • missingnoh4x, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3*****. *****.
  • shack95, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1What about the Cisco vpn client (still does not work)
  • VitriolAndAngst, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5Look, I have had a few macs in my life. I have Apple stock. I was interested in the iPhone. I also am a novice developer, use their mutlimedia, AV and about everything Apple. And even I don't give a ***** about this fascination with commenting on every damn revision of the OS. Two days ago, we had an article about Two bugs. Do I need to hear about any time someone changes their underwear at Apple?

    Bury this under; trivial Extreme. I'm sure that is a new product mockup that some fanboy has made super kewl.
    • Kyan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Whoa, hold on there! Who changed his underwear?
    • ilgaz, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Don't try to make sense on Digg, especially Apple section. "Normal" people have already pre-ordered their OS and patiently waiting it to release, some will even wait for 10.5.1 with DVD in hand.
  • rubyeyes, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1It's really not a whole bug, just like 4 legs of a bug.
  • froggiestone, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4..and the bug is, that it only runs on macs..

    no wait, the bug is, that ppl cant stfu about it !
  • Sukitez, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0wish there was more to read about it.
  • NeoRicen, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Eh, still better than Vista.
    • tdous, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Tried it? Nah. Good rounded, considered opinion though. *awaits lying claim of using Vista on a work machine, or that a friend has it and doesn't like it*
  • Osnya, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0One bug? yeah right...still can´t wait to get it tough
  • ilgaz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I am personally glad that our idiotic Apple distributor will lag the release until 10.5.2 ships and I will be happily buying and applying 10.5.2 which is relatively flawless thanks to Rev 0 users ;)
  • ilgaz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1So, people having latest official build from Apple Inc. are
    a) Professional developers with expensive account at Apple along with NDA
    b) Highly respected open source developers which -their work- is used under OS X
    c) High level security related people who will analyse its behaviour of second most popular OS on planet before it ships.
    These people give up everything in hand and post total NDA breaking information to "macrumors" so it will be "dugg".
    Want us to believe this or argue on this?
  • dogma, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3To the Apple developer working on that bug: no pressure... take your time.
  • leopardboy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0The Apple developers who all of their time in to the new Operating System who have more benefit than just Leopard. I think the Most expensive Kit should get their latest iPhone for example the iPhone Nano
  • britoca, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1buried for "apple"
  • HairyPoter, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I know at least two bugs of Tiger that as far as I tested in Leopard were not solved. One is related to uncompressed tar/gzip files that are seen as empty folders thru finder. After reporting this to Apple someone contacted me and said that this is not a bug... I don't see how a file can be seen in terminal and not in finder (not an invisible file) and not be a bug... Anyway, it is obvious that Mac OS X Tiger and Leopard are very good and stable systems with extremely low number of bugs... I never had a crash since I switched in 2004... 3 years firing at all cylinders with no mercy!
  • uberfu, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2How the ***** is this news ?

    We already know that Apple is slated to release Leopard in October_

    We gleaned this info from Jobs himself the past 6 times he's talked about it_

    Who cares if there is one bug left or 50 bugs left_ They get most of that ***** straight before it's released - they typically have a track record for doing so_ Yeah October is here on Monday - and at some point in the next 32 days we'll get copies of Leopard - get over it already_
  • phytonix, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Where is my secret feature going to be announced?
  • idude420, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Wanted to share this. From anonymous source(but very reliable):
    Leopard will be released October 5th 2007...yes that soon!!
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