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- inactive, on 06/05/2008, -1/+67A Snow Leopard is a smaller and faster Leopard that is marketable at christmas.
- foresmac, on 06/04/2008, -2/+57You mean Carbon?
- wellyuk, on 06/05/2008, -6/+56Snow Leopard is just an internal codename. I have it on good authority it'll be publicly released as 10.6 LOLcat.
- inactive, on 06/05/2008, -2/+47Probably its going to be like the free upgrade from Cheetah to Puma; it seems very similar (mainly stability+security, only for specific hardware, under the hood OS cleanup, yet lacking in significant new features).
- inactive, on 06/04/2008, -3/+44"Snow Leopard"? Why not a totally different cat? Hmm...must reflect the fact there will be no 'major new features'.
- chris9902, on 06/05/2008, -4/+42"must reflect the fact there will be no 'major new features'."
That'll be $129. - clintology, on 06/04/2008, -2/+38Yeah I meant Carbon. I'm a dolt ;)
- eleanorigby, on 06/05/2008, -1/+30it will be released on a caturday
- jcannonb, on 06/04/2008, -0/+28Because rumor has it is really only stability/performance/security release, thus a different version of the same cat. I agree tho they need a new Finder, one that is far more powerful, like PathFinder.
- SnapETom, on 06/05/2008, -0/+22If you can't figure out the MySQL has a binary dmg package for OS X, you shouldn't be touching any servers at all.
http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/mysql/5.0.html
I suggest going to Preferences -> Accounts and turning on Parental Controls to protect your machine from you. - BrendanSheehan, on 06/05/2008, -4/+25Saying you are a dolt implies you aren't. Only an intellectual would think of using dolt. Stop messing with our minds.
They are closing down iTunes and getting into the foot-spa business ;) - fbogner, on 06/04/2008, -2/+22Yes he meant Carbon :-)
- fbogner, on 06/04/2008, -2/+22I think a better idea is to stay with Leopard
- CCB0x45, on 06/05/2008, -1/+20As soon as you said you can't install MySQL server, I knew you were an idiot... I have mysql server running on tons of different OS X boxes, Tiger, Leopard, PPC, Intel, give me a break, you probably should go back to windows.
- eluusive, on 06/05/2008, -0/+19And port 389 isn't taken by Active Directory? Give me a break. Run your LDAP server on another oort -- Apple did well to use LDAP for it's OpenDirectory. It seems your upset that you got Enterprisey stuff on your desktop.
You can install MySQL Server, you must not be *doing it right* I know for a fact all this stuff works and runs well on MacOS X.
Here you are for MySQL instructions.
http://developer.apple.com/internet/opensource/osd ...
And yes, the Developer tools are a little rough edged, but they're FREE and they're constantly improved for FREE. How much does Visual Studio cost again? I use both on a regular basis and VS is far inferior in my experience. - clintology, on 06/04/2008, -7/+23I'm wondering what they're going to do about iTunes. As far as I'm aware, it's still significantly written in Cocoa.
- inactive, on 06/05/2008, -11/+26cocaine's a helluva drug
- pedepy, on 06/05/2008, -3/+18so is Apple running out of cats or what ?
- lichme5000, on 06/05/2008, -0/+11I don't think that's right; I think Apple has been telling their developers for years that Cocoa is the future, and they've threatened to drop Carbon support in the past. The problem is that Adobe's codebase is freaking monolithic, and the task of porting to Cocoa hasn't been worth the money for them.
- TVarmy, on 06/05/2008, -1/+12It's made out of pure cocaine, or "snow" or cocoa. Read the headline!
- LJSeinfeld, on 06/05/2008, -2/+12Thanks for the FUD.
Shill. - spectre_25gt, on 06/05/2008, -0/+10We don't know that. Apple hasn't made a release like this since 10.1 came out. That was a free upgrade.
- nutritionalfact, on 06/05/2008, -1/+10liger?
- SuperSunny, on 06/05/2008, -1/+10It's progressive because it's Apple's advancement into working 100% on newer hardware, not splitting and spending time to support the old functions.
You know what's funny? 10.5 runs MUCH faster on my First-Gen Core Duo MacBook than 10.4 ever did. It's progressive. As the OS advances, the underlying of it becomes better optimized to run on a certain batch of hardware.
10.5 runs fine. For PPC, it will still be supported for a very long time. Dual G5's are incredibly powerful as well.
Grow up. This is no fanboy *****, this is reality. Why are you comparing 10.6 to Vista? I believe you should be comparing Windows 7 to 10.6. Vista's comparison is 10.5, which 10.5 actually runs better on the same hardware that runs 10.4 well.
Oh, I'm not an Apple fanboy. I have a PC next to me, which I use for 3d applications and gaming, and a separate partition for Vista on my MacBook. This has nothing to do with fanboyism. Just use what works best. - stewartgorman, on 06/05/2008, -1/+10OS X 10.7 lolcat
EDIT: damn you wellyuk - TVarmy, on 06/05/2008, -0/+8Apple's got a bit of a premium, but $20 is nearly free in their mind.
- wellyuk, on 06/05/2008, -0/+8Which other story? And it's quite possible. I don't write any of my own material.
- Altotus, on 06/05/2008, -0/+7Carbon was deprecated with 10.5. Classic was removed then too.
- BrendanSheehan, on 06/05/2008, -0/+7I have it on good authority you stole that joke form that other story.
- sleepwalkers, on 06/05/2008, -0/+7Oh, to be an Apple-hater stuck in the past. "One-button mouse"? That's the best you can do?
- inactive, on 06/05/2008, -1/+8Yellowdog is lame, id rather go with ubuntu, or stick with leopard (which will be fine for me)
- vault, on 06/04/2008, -2/+9Or sell it and upgrade, which is going to have to happen eventually.
- insomnislacker, on 06/05/2008, -0/+7NetBeans? You mean: "The only IDE you need! Runs on Windows, Linux, Mac OS X and Solaris. NetBeans IDE is open-source and free."
And you can't install it because?
Try Eclipse. Then Ebay (to sell your computer when you can't get Eclipse installed) - insomnislacker, on 06/05/2008, -2/+9Um.... your last statement isn't correct. "Besides, being pure Cocoa means being processor agnostic, not Intel only! That's why they're called Universal Apps."
Universal Apps are actually double compilations. One for PPC and one for Intel. The "Universal App" contains, then, both binaries. So it has nothing to do with the language or APIs. Carbon, Cocoa, etc. all work on both chipsets. At least for now. - bbland, on 06/05/2008, -0/+7For a software engineer, it seems to me that you should've done your research prior to buying something.
Won't say if anything of that stuff works because I have no idea, but it seems pretty retarded on your part to buy something for development when you don't know if it can be used for that purpose. - kraetos, on 06/05/2008, -2/+8Apple probably isn't going to kill carbon any time soon. Switch everything to Cocoa and depreciate carbon? Sure. But Carbon apps will still *run* on 10.6; doing otherwise would be silly.
- MavRevMatt, on 06/05/2008, -2/+8Subversion release on Linux == New version == Always free
- anaesthetica, on 06/05/2008, -0/+6I was holding out for OS X 10.6 Ceiling Cat.
- rezist, on 06/05/2008, -1/+7I have one mac running Panther, one w/ Tiger and another with Leopard, if your working with a G4/G5 you can still do quite nicely without the most current OS.
- fbogner, on 06/04/2008, -2/+8Sounds great, but i don't think it's true! Maybe there will be a new Finder version that is built using Cocoa but there will be Carbon too.
- tehnico, on 06/05/2008, -1/+7I installed mysql for fun and I draw for a living.
hack. - wellyuk, on 06/05/2008, -2/+7i'm in ur fyle systim fsckin with ur inodez.
- Drax0n, on 06/05/2008, -0/+5Actually apple being willing to ditch old technologies that hold the experiance back is what makes apple better than MS, I wish MS would ditch all the legacy code they have maintained. MS incorporates legacy code for software and API's over 10 years old, all that does is ad complexity, and bugs to an OS so that a very small percentage of users can run their old out of date apps on their new vista machine.
- Koush, on 06/05/2008, -3/+8Hmm...
Someone should make this into a movie. - inactive, on 06/05/2008, -2/+7How many "Service Packs" come with their own CD and are completely installable without another version? And as far as price is concerned, these are the prices for Windows software that compare to some of the features in Leopard (as of June, 2008)
1) Time Machine (A Backup Utility).
Norton Ghost: $69.99
Acronis True Image: $49.95
2) Boot Camp (A Hard Drive Partitioner)
Norton's PartitionMagic: $69.95
Acronis Disk Director Suite: $49.99
Avanquest Partition Commander: $49.95
3) iChat Screen Sharing (Remote Access Software)
VNC Personal Edition: $30.00
eBLVD: $59.00
Boco's Screen Share: $29.95
GoToMeeting: $49/monthly for ten users.
If you take the lowest price from 3 of these Windows products above, know what price you get? $129.95. The same price as Leopard! What are the odds?
And this doesn't include all those other features like Quick Look, Spaces, Stacks, Cover Flow, Back to My Mac, Podcast Capture, video recording with blue-screen technology in Photo Booth, Web Clips and Advanced Tabbing in Safari, Wikipedia search in Dictionary, the Unix certification, Parental Controls, Russian language support, and the numerous changes to Preview, iCal, Mail, Front Row, Automator, Finder and Universal Access, as well as the security enhancements which include Library Randomization in memory, RBAC and Application Signing. - stahlight, on 06/05/2008, -1/+6OSX 10.8 -- Calico Kitten =)
- solid12345, on 06/05/2008, -0/+4The fortune of intelligent thugs...
- nanboya, on 06/05/2008, -1/+5Yup. Just like Windows Vista was a "real upgrade" for Windows XP... :-p
- Altotus, on 06/05/2008, -2/+6As I understand it, 10.6 will simply be called "Cat" and will ship with a holographic chicken soup-machine repairman and will replace the startup chimes with a random rastabilly skank track.
- lrdntwnd, on 06/05/2008, -0/+4I'm pretty sure what it means is that there will be no need for developers to use the Carbon APIs, but they frameworks will still be there to support apps that do use them. Putting a full Cocoa API out there with all functions of the OS available through Obj-C Cocoa frameworks would be a great help to developers (especially those who are moving to the Mac because of the iPhone and are learning Obj-C for that). It will allow developers who are now working on iPhone apps, to get used to the Mac platform just as easily and might spark more development on Mac apps. It's probably a good move in the long run, but Carbon will still be around for a while (just look at how upset Adobe is because they have to re-write Photoshop to be 64-bit, I imagine they're not the only ones upset).
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