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Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard First Impressions

macrumors.com — Despite Apple's efforts to restrict seeding to select individuals, it appears that the final build of Leopard has made its way outside of Apple. One individual who installed the final version of Leopard as an upgrade to his iMac posted his experience.

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  • kkiran, on 10/24/2007, -59/+9that guy downloaded a torrent and you published it!!
    • digitallysick, on 10/24/2007, -21/+2your breaking rule 1
      • willynilly, on 10/26/2007, -9/+6And your spelling sucks.
        • threemagic, on 10/25/2007, -1/+12I do not see 1 misspelled word. I do see a very big grammatical mistake.
          • DontEatTheFish, on 10/24/2007, -4/+2Just 1?(one)
            (also the you are, you're)
          • digitallysick, on 10/24/2007, -0/+11good to know you guys care about my spelling so much, here, have 5 internets
    • brendanryder, on 10/25/2007, -12/+45read the ***** story you *****, not the headline
      • michaelb1, on 10/25/2007, -1/+30dugg for proper and appropriate use of the word "*****"
    • eatspie, on 10/25/2007, -40/+9I prefer use Gutsy Gibbon.
    • BobOki, on 10/24/2007, -8/+2Uhmm... the story DOES say that a user downloaded and installed it, and that this was his first impressions. Might I suggest you heed your own advice?

      IMO, webpages, exempt are forums, should not publish reviews based on non-official torrented software. No proof its final, and no proof things were not broken when hacking it.
      • sleepwalkers, on 10/31/2007, -2/+4*Cough* Read the ***** story you *****, not the headline.
        Actually. Wait, do read the headline.
        It's the "first impressions" of a user, not a review by any means.
    • PathDaemon, on 10/24/2007, -3/+3You commented on this page and I replied to it!!
  • newbill123, on 10/25/2007, -41/+29Not saying this is true or false, but just reminding people to take it with a grain of salt. Why? Well, one way to make Leopard purchasers feel like suckers is to build up huge expectations about what they'll see (such as massive speed ups in Mail, Safari, iCal, iTunes, and app launching) and maybe add on some small negatives to make it seem like an objective review. When you get your copy of Leopard and don't experience these things, your first instinct will be to blame Apple.

    We won't actually know til Friday whether these are genuine things to expect with Leopard or not.
    • Dog_Paddle, on 10/25/2007, -3/+46Actually, it appears that the most recent leak on P2P sites is real.

      I would take this with a grain of unsalt
    • NeoRicen, on 10/25/2007, -6/+14I highly doubt it, the only dubious thing he says is a speed increase, Apple wouldn't do this sorta marketing. The speed increase could also be entirely in the guys head. As for features, nothing he says is at odds with what we already know, I'm sure it's legit.
      • dragon76, on 10/25/2007, -1/+9If you're using an Intel Mac, you will DEFINITELY see a speed increase. No part of the OS runs under Rosetta anymore.
        • TomKarpik, on 10/27/2007, -2/+1No part of the OS ran under Rosetta before either. Only PowerPC applications that you yourself launched. Don't believe me? Check Activity Monitor.
    • eridius, on 10/24/2007, -3/+17Pretty much everything in that article is true, judging from the pre-release seeds. I will point out that he had to change the download path in Mail and Safari because it retained his previous settings, not through any fault of Leopard.
    • natedouglas, on 10/24/2007, -12/+10Judging from the copy of 9A581 I'm running, everything he said is true.

      Usenet, folks.
      • natedouglas, on 10/24/2007, -1/+7I guess I'm glad to see the Usenet haters out in full force.
      • alex1015, on 10/25/2007, -2/+13you broke the first rule of usenet
    • willynilly, on 10/25/2007, -23/+6A lot of it's bunk. Look:

      • iCal is much better. There is an inline editor and an event drop box now

      Huh? This is actually a regression, because it often takes two steps to view event details and then unlock them for editing, instead of having the detail pane available at all times like it used to be. And you still can't set up a default alarm, which is *****. They partially added the feature as "an alarm" at a given lead time, but then there's no way to select what the alarm is.

      The Finder is just as ***** as always.

      "Downloads" stack: There's no way to simply empty it. You have to open it, select everything, move the ***** to the trash, empty the trash. Annoying.

      Tasks in Mail: WTF are tasks doing in Mail? This is stupid. After all of Apple's making fun of Microsoft for supposedly imitating them, Apple sure is trying hard to turn Mail into Outlook. Unfortunately, they're doing a ***** job, and the Mac desperately needs a PIM like Outlook.

      The guy's claims that everything is faster are utterly bogus. If anything, you can look forward to more baffling pinwheels at routine actions.
      • natedouglas, on 10/25/2007, -2/+7Finder: Not crazy about it, hope it'll grow on me.

        Downloads: folder actions are wonderful things. Write an AppleScript to check for all files of a given type older than a day and move them somewhere else. Not that complicated, but I'll post a script if you need.

        I haven't had any pinwheels yet -- at all. Network drive mounting and unmounting is as smooth as butter.
      • msgyrd, on 10/24/2007, -1/+1"Downloads" stack: Yeah...that's the default on a new system. Of course, that functionality is there for ALL folders you drag into your dock. And you'd have to empty or move files no matter where they went or how they were displayed (unless you created folder actions, like explained above). They're just easier to see now. I don't know what you were expecting.

        Finder: I find it easy enough to use, although the Leopard improvements aren't massive. It's better than Windows Explorer IMO.
    • BobOki, on 10/24/2007, -2/+3All other updates aside, going to OpenGL 2.1 makes this worth my time alone. And for the record, I bought mine.
    • comradeTJH, on 10/24/2007, -2/+2Yes, I can confirm. The build has been leaked. Runs OK on a PowerBook G4...
    • bernland, on 10/24/2007, -1/+1That's why I can't wait for Friday :-)
  • p0tent1al, on 10/25/2007, -66/+9It probably has leaked, but from what the person said it sounds like *****.

    • All my applications and settings were retained
    Yes we already know about that feature
    • Time Machine asked me on the first time I started in leopard, which of my five external Hard Drives should be used for backups. I didn't have to configure anything else.
    • When I started Mail for the first time, it had to upgrade the mail database. After that, Mail is blazing fast!
    This comment just reeks of *****
    • I told Mail to import my RSS Feeds from Safari but that didn't work!
    Oh no have to put an unimportant negative in here somewhere
    • Reading RSS in Mail is nice to have
    Another ***** comment.
    • Tasks in Mail appear even if completed. That might be a bit distracting for some people
    Probably can be shut off some way.
    • Mail is FAST! Seeing is believing!
    Wow! really? because I would never know that if you didn't mention it, like you did in one of your first comments!
    • Finder: Well, the first time it ran, it hanged! After killing the process, I was amazed by the speed and coverflow!
    Another suspect comment.

    And basically he goes on to say this this and this application is blazing fast and a bunch of other suspect comments that we all know just by watching the movie on apple. This will probably be on torrents soon, I will wait until someone gets it and posts a youtube video of it.
    • NeoRicen, on 10/24/2007, -3/+20Just because he says something positive doesn't make it fake. What do you expect, a list of complaints only? He even posted screenshots later on in the comments.

      Why is this so hard to believe, someone downloaded Leopard and commented...
      • p0tent1al, on 10/25/2007, -12/+3Listen, like I said, and even a poster below said, Leopard either is out on torrents soon, or they are out now. I didn't check the torrents, but if you know anything, you know that something this big usually hits a good while before it even officially releases. What I am trying to say, is that the comments he made sound more like something a representative or a salesperson would say.

        For instance, "Well, the first time it ran, it hanged!" is just a comment no one would actually really make. Also him having to reiterate on every single program that it is blazing fast, is sort of implying that it was slow in the first place, which it wasn't. And I am betting that any speed increases in any of these programs isn't a big enough increase to call it "BLAZING FAST".

        Like I said, it will be out on the torrents soon (and it actually already is according to a poster below) but strictly from what this guy is saying he sounds like he is *****.
        • natedouglas, on 10/24/2007, -1/+4It's on Usenet too, which is where I got it.

          Everything the guy said is true -- except Finder didn't hang for me, and I did a clean install rather than an upgrade.
      • NeoRicen, on 10/25/2007, -0/+4They guy is German from what I can gather so the fact he'd speak like that isn't terribly odd.
      • clala1220, on 10/24/2007, -0/+2It's ok NeoRicen, some people just can't grasp the concept of "personal opinion".
    • gravis86, on 10/24/2007, -1/+6Will be on torrents soon? I guess you haven't checked The Pirate Bay recently... It's been up for a while.
    • naonao, on 10/24/2007, -1/+3This guy seems to think that first impressions have to be negative.
      His comment actually makes no sense, the guy clearly knows nothing about Macs and just wants to get dugg up for once. Not gonna happen buddy.
    • MacParrot, on 10/24/2007, -1/+1@p0tent1al
      Please look up the word, "Impressions". He's giving an opinion on what he found, liked, and disliked about whatever version of OS X 10.5 he's using. As an opinion, take it with a grain of salt. Your mileage may vary.
  • JoaoPe, on 10/24/2007, -15/+4Maybe he've use this: http://nforce.nl/index.php?switchto=nfos&menu=quic ...

    iFOrce... ups!
    • mysticjim, on 10/25/2007, -2/+3he've ho
    • BobOki, on 10/24/2007, -9/+4Dugg down for links to pirated wares.
      #1. Support Apple and buy it.
      #2. Anyone wanting to pirate it here, knows where to get it or doesn't deserve it.
      #3. Dugg up for showing its out.
      • SPECOPS, on 10/24/2007, -2/+3May I suggest you read up on the text only files called NFO. They are not "pirated warez".
  • Ramble, on 10/24/2007, -15/+9So, I can guage that Mail is fast, but that's it.
  • elsenormalo, on 10/28/2007, -8/+23p0tent1al,
    The fact that you wait to get your tech news on youtube resembles the fools that get their news from the National Enquirer
    • MacParrot, on 10/24/2007, -0/+3If it isn't in the Weekly World News...it didn't happen. Hey LOOK! It's Bigfoot!
  • TitanKing, on 10/24/2007, -10/+4I would not believe any of this until proper reviews are done!
  • gibler, on 10/24/2007, -5/+19The Finder feels much more snappier.
    • Bungler, on 10/25/2007, -2/+13Does the Leopard Finder still write DS_STORE files on non-Mac partitions?
      • sjaq, on 10/25/2007, -4/+1No
      • comradeTJH, on 10/25/2007, -0/+3yes of course... :-(
      • superkendall, on 10/25/2007, -0/+7It has to, where else is metadata going to be stored on filesystems that do not support it?
      • blinkenlightz, on 10/25/2007, -5/+2You can turn that off, even in Tiger... I'm not at home at the moment so I can't tell you exactly which pref pane has the setting, but it's there - I just turned off DS_STORE a couple days ago.
        • iashraf, on 10/25/2007, -2/+2Go home, find out, then report back to us!
      • theprez, on 10/25/2007, -0/+7You can use Tinkertool to turn that off.
        • FyreFiend, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1No you can't, at least not completely. The hidden pref stops them from showing up on network shares but Finder will still happily drop them all over FAT drives attached to the computer.
    • theprez, on 10/24/2007, -0/+2I think you can get the best results regarding speed if you "start all over". At least it's worked great for me but it does require a little more effort.
      I would clone my hard drive then do a clean install of the OS on my Mac. Then you copy only your necessary files manually or use the migration tool to copy apps, docs, and other preferences for you. I think this helps getting rid of a lot of the accumulated clutter.
      You can use something like cccloner for making an exact copy of your drive.
    • pinchies, on 10/25/2007, -0/+1It also feels much more snappy.
      Grammar checking is built-in to leopard. You may need it.
  • bingo000, on 10/24/2007, -27/+2My first mac ever if it wasn't for Leopard!
    • Karmavs, on 10/25/2007, -0/+20Throw us some verbs, please!
    • MtheoryX, on 10/25/2007, -1/+6OH! I'll guess! Pick Me!

      Um...comments that make no sense?
      Comments that irritate me?
      Comments that get dugg down? *Ding ding ding*
      Yes!
    • wilhel1812, on 10/25/2007, -0/+3that makes sense... uhm not really :S
  • naden, on 10/25/2007, -7/+43Use your head people. Clearly Leopard has been sent to the thousands of Apple Stores and resellers around the world in order to be available in two days. You don't think SOME of the owners/employees of these stores or VIP customers might have just maybe opened and installed one of these ?
    • TitanKing, on 10/24/2007, -10/+2Good point! However, very risky as they could loose their dealership.
      • mentor972, on 10/25/2007, -2/+7The Apple Store could lose its dealership? They're owned by Apple. It's not a franchise.
    • BobOki, on 10/25/2007, -3/+13hahahah Dugg down for telling me to think. Thinking is not popular here on digg.com. We, the userbase, prefer actions, not words!
      (please not that was satire... thanks)
    • mcnasby, on 10/24/2007, -0/+6...Or he could've just downloaded it from a torrent tracker? ...Just sayin'
    • TheFinaleofSeem, on 10/24/2007, -1/+5Nope. Resellers wont get them until Friday. Apple always goes to great lengths to prevent leaks like this. I work at a retailer and we're going to get our copies this Friday, no earlier.
    • blorc, on 10/24/2007, -1/+5Not true. Leopard has not been sent to retailers. It hasn't even been given to Apple stores yet.
  • MrKrinkleDude, on 10/24/2007, -9/+22Installed it last night to a sandboxed FW drive. Works like a charm. Love the new Finder, really like the "Downloads" stacks, can't see using it for anything else though. Firefox and Azureus works and are faster, but Safari is a speed demon now--just needs an ABP plug-in and I'd dump the fox.

    Will I still buy it? Hell yes. If you or someone you know can get an on-campus edu rate at $69 it's very well worth it. Everyone gets the "Ultimate" version. ;-)
    • willynilly, on 10/24/2007, -14/+2There is no "new Finder"! Enough with that *****!
      • natedouglas, on 10/24/2007, -1/+3The Finder's not entirely new -- but if you say that, the OS X Public Beta wasn't entirely new either.

        Everything about it that actually matters (speed, responsiveness, proper behavior) IS new. Apple's F.ed T. F.ing F.
      • digitalpencil, on 10/24/2007, -1/+1Perhaps not brand-spanking new but what is? It's major overhaul. Coverflow, quicklook, speed and response improvements. This is nothing to shun!
        • msgyrd, on 10/24/2007, -0/+2Yep. Finder behaves similar, but it's much improved. No more beach balls if you try to connect to a network drive, quicklook is freaking amazing, coverflow integrates nicely, large files copies behave a little better (less slowdown of the rest of the system).

          It's updated, I don't know if I'd call it "new".
    • falafelkiosken, on 10/24/2007, -1/+4I don't know why he's "not impressed" by Stacks, I really hope they will be as cool as they seem to be
      • MtheoryX, on 10/24/2007, -1/+5I enjoy putting my Applications>Utilities folder down there.
        It's also handy for putting a folder full of Applescript applications down there for an easy quick-launch.
    • tomis, on 10/24/2007, -6/+4Edu price is $116 now. It's been $69 in previous years. I guess Apple finally got wise to the fact that so many people have been scamming their educational discounts.
      • pierrefilms, on 10/24/2007, -1/+8The on-campus education rate is still $69. It's $116 on the education part of the online store.
        • olp1ma, on 10/25/2007, -3/+2You're kidding yourself if you believe this. My campus store and many others across the nation are selling Leopard for $116 with only discounts on launch night. The $69 price is for Campus Department purchase orders only or for students whose Bookstores don't mind taking a hit on their profit margins.

          TUAW's claim that the price is $69 for students because they can check your ID is unfounded. If you consider their claim to be true, then Apple's computers (which have a much higher academic discount than the $50 you would get off Leopard) should follow suit. This isn't the case and shouldn't be considered such, except in rare cases.
        • Lionhart, on 10/24/2007, -1/+2https://www.cstore.ucf.edu/Student/Item_Detail.php ...
          Believe it.
    • rebotfc, on 10/24/2007, -1/+3Stacks can be really useful to put a smart folder in, say "all files used in the last 48 hours", then you have quick and easy access to all files being used in the last 2 days on your dock.

    • monospaced, on 10/24/2007, -0/+5Stacks look like a great way to collect visual "scrap" or a set of files related to a project that I'm working on at the moment. As a graphic designer, having them fan out (or grid) in a visual manner will save time reading file names or viewing document previews in column view.
    • civdis24, on 10/24/2007, -0/+7or if you have 4 friends who are interested, get the family pack for $190, which has 5 licenses. Split it 5 ways and thats under $40 a person.
      • Kyan, on 10/24/2007, -1/+3On top of that, if your four friends are extremely closely related to you and live under one roof - getting the family pack will be legal.
        • civdis24, on 10/25/2007, -0/+1Well, close enough to being legal for me!
    • iashraf, on 10/24/2007, -1/+2I pre-ordered it last week, and because I did it on the phone I got it for £50, which is almost half-price. The apple employee was awfully kind!
    • mozzep, on 10/24/2007, -0/+2http://www.culater.net/software/PithHelmet/PithHel ...

      adblock for safari.
      • Disodium, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1let me know when theres a free version, like ABP
        • mozzep, on 10/24/2007, -0/+2it is free. you install it, then click "i paid" in the corner of the preference pane.
  • bonjourmr, on 04/25/2008, -18/+3Of course everything would be ***** faster, it just got rid of all the ***** in your OS source folder that was probably lagging your system in the first place.
    • natedouglas, on 10/25/2007, -0/+11? My OS "source folder"?

      Leopard is significantly faster than Tiger.
      • MtheoryX, on 10/24/2007, -1/+4System/Library and /Library is probably what he meant.
        And yes, giving that a thorough cleaning can solve all kinds of issues.
  • Invalice, on 10/24/2007, -9/+4If you have Mac Tiger, will it lose all the applications and settings or that?
    • 2shae, on 10/24/2007, -3/+1I guess the answer is NO, since you'll be doing an upgrade.
      But I can't be 100% sure since I started with Tiger and this will be my first upgrade.
    • Karmavs, on 10/24/2007, -1/+3no.
    • WoollyMittens, on 10/25/2007, -0/+11Did you guys actualy read the goddamn article?

      "All my applications and settings were retained"
    • Zippo, on 10/25/2007, -0/+3So long as you don't do a fresh install and do an upgrade, all your files, apps, and settings should remain.
      • MtheoryX, on 10/24/2007, -1/+1Correct.
      • Tippis, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1...and the migration tool would help you with some of those even if you *did* go for a fresh install.
        • Zippo, on 10/24/2007, -0/+2I don't think Migration Tool works for the same computer... I'm pretty sure it only works from one physical Mac to another. I could be wrong.
          • MacParrot, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1For those that want to do a "Fresh Install" (not a bad idea as it can clear out a lot of crap), get a copy of SuperDuper or CarbonCopyCloner (both free for this kind of need) and completely back up your drive to an external drive or different partition. Do a fresh install, but make sure your backup up drive is also connected (Just install the 10.5 disk and on startup, hold down the "C" key on your keyboard to bypass your startup drive). Afterwards, use migration assistant to put all your apps, files, and settings from your old system.
            That should pretty much do it. Can anyone see if I missed something?
    • moisie, on 10/24/2007, -1/+2Depends on how you upgrade. If you do just that - upgrade - it will just add in all the new stuff, changing things as appropriate. This can cause problems however depending on how much you've added to your system and modified things. You might be fine but you might not. I was fine going from Panther to Tiger.
      • MacParrot, on 10/24/2007, -0/+2I was good going from Panther to Tiger as well doing archive and install. Considering some of the internal changes of Leopard, I think I'll do a clean install this time around.
  • paulsmith288, on 10/24/2007, -14/+8omg not another leopard story , omg not another ubuntu story
    *digg is a tech news site , these stories are welcome. Well, not for the windows fanboyz
  • binarymelon, on 10/24/2007, -0/+3Did anyone else feel that reading that description felt like I was listening to the monologue at the beginning of an America's Most Wanted story.
  • m3t00, on 10/25/2007, -3/+54Apple makes most of it's money on hardware which is why their software doesn't run on your PC. Torrents of new Mac OS releases help hardware sales in the long run. Same reason Apple doesn't inconvenience people with registration hell.
    • BobOki, on 10/24/2007, -1/+5I am running apple software on multiple machines, so yeah, it does work.
      Granted, it runs much better on my 24" iMac......
    • deadbaby, on 10/25/2007, -0/+11The main reason I bought a Mac was due to downloading the original OSX 10.4 developers build. For the first time I got to try OSX out, risk free, for an extended period of time. As soon as I found good replacements for all my Windows apps I was ready to switch. Without the leaked build I seriously doubt I would have made the move.
      • jrapp, on 10/24/2007, -1/+5Agreed. I played around with an OSx86 setup on my Dell laptop for a while and began to realize how great it really was. It worked great on the piecemeal setup that it was, but I decided I wanted the real thing so I went out and helped Apple up their user base numbers. Sold the Dell. Haven't looked back.

        BTW - I'm getting the edu version through my university for $69, so I think the $119 only applies to the Apple Store price.
      • Tippis, on 10/24/2007, -1/+1...i still miss something that comes even close to Total Commander. Disk Order tries its best, but is still nowhere near TC :(
    • Drax0n, on 10/25/2007, -1/+12The reason apple doesn't make you register or SHUDDER activate OSX is because apple is one of the few companies left on the planet that does not treat their customers like criminals
      • Pelapp, on 10/25/2007, -3/+1Actually Apple is the best company in the world, and they can do no wrong!
  • zhlimnick, on 10/25/2007, -2/+14oh come on its only less than 2 days away...
    • Telapo974, on 10/24/2007, -1/+1yeah, can't wait to see it on my mac lol
  • benjpw, on 10/25/2007, -36/+8It's faster? Thats nice. Can it play games?

    See ya.
    • Veight, on 10/24/2007, -3/+13Yes it can.
    • WoollyMittens, on 10/24/2007, -3/+14World of Warcraft, Battlefield 2142 natively and all your windows games.
    • DOGPARTY, on 10/24/2007, -5/+7Cider, bye bye windows
    • digitalpencil, on 10/24/2007, -7/+1bootcamp... dick!
    • BobOki, on 10/24/2007, -5/+1Yeah, my WoW, any EA game, Wolf ET, Unreal tourny all native, and just about everything else via emulation running at 75-100% normal speed (CS seems to have a tiny 1-3ms latency issue, kinda odd could be my settings) says that yes, I can play any game you can, and more.
    • tdhurst, on 10/25/2007, -6/+2Who cares?
  • jockser, on 10/24/2007, -21/+3I prefer youbuntu over ohesex.
  • sofabum, on 10/24/2007, -14/+4People don't use Operating Systems. They use Applications.
    • lgc90, on 10/24/2007, -2/+8If you didn't use your operating system, your computer screen would just be an empty box, and you wouldn't even be able to launch your applications.
      • thailand1972, on 10/24/2007, -1/+4...sofaburn's point is the OS is largely invisible - if it is, it's doing its job.
    • WoollyMittens, on 10/24/2007, -2/+3It's all a series of tubes.
    • DOGPARTY, on 10/24/2007, -3/+26wow Time Machine really does work well, it managed to get a joke from months ago and put it in this thread!

    • ucg1, on 10/24/2007, -3/+1And applications run on what?
    • wilhel1812, on 10/24/2007, -1/+1i guess you have one hard drive for every application and boot them directly into those apps then.
      wait, that would make your room an operating system. i guess you use an operating system then.
  • mcmlxxii, on 10/24/2007, -15/+7shouldn't this be OSX.V?

    /anal *****
    • natedouglas, on 10/24/2007, -1/+7An interesting (if unappealing) mental image.
  • KyleMistry, on 10/25/2007, -0/+5Well, that's all well and good for one of the newer Intel-based iMacs (I would assume), but I'm worried about how slow my PowerBook G4'll be after Leopard's in.

    I suppose I'll find out in a couple days.
    • natedouglas, on 10/24/2007, -0/+8Not that it helps any, but I suspect Leopard will be faster on every computer that can run it. Other than the eyecandy, I don't really know of anything that could slow it down -- and so far, it's impressed the hell out of me.

      I was one of the people who thought the extra features were worth little to me. "Why should I upgrade?" Well, so far the speed and stability have really impressed me. Granted, I've been running it for only nine hours, six of which I've been sleeping.

      This is head and shoulders above Tiger in every way. Except LEAP support, which seems a bit buggy.
      • natedouglas, on 10/24/2007, -0/+3Another nifty thing is that the Dashboard clock and weather widgets knew where I was -- I didn't have to enter my time zone/zip code like I did with Tiger. Very miniscule, but nice attention to detail.
    • MacParrot, on 10/25/2007, -0/+5I'm curious to how well it will work with my 933Mhz G4 iBook. Oh yeah, I'll be doing a full backup first in caswe it blows up in my face.
  • SirBotchness, on 10/25/2007, -0/+42Boy he sure thinks mail is fast.
  • zeazzz, on 10/26/2007, -1/+65"First impressions," "walkthroughs," "reviews," "previews," and "how-tos" should be illegal without screenshots.
    • NeoRicen, on 10/24/2007, -0/+9He posts a couple in the comments thread, mainly him in photobooth, which isn't very pleasant mind you.
  • stelt, on 10/24/2007, -5/+3He forgot to mention Safari does SVG 'now'.
    (in case you don't know what that is good for, see this broad spectrum of applications: http://svg.startpagina.nl)
    • directrix13, on 10/25/2007, -6/+0Cool. Mac OS will catch up with Ubuntu yet!!
    • natedouglas, on 10/25/2007, -0/+2Holy God. That's the worst-looking website I've ever seen.
  • Klink258, on 10/24/2007, -7/+5Pics or it didn't happen
    No seriously- ever hear of screen capture?
  • FluxHarmonic, on 10/24/2007, -1/+3Installed this last night, and so far not one of my programs is broken with the exception of Menu Calendar Clock that now has some weird visual bugs on the pull-down calendar.

    Pro Tools LE 7.3, which supposedly isn't supported under Leopard, runs just fine. Thank god, because I rely on that stuff for my livelihood.
    • ninethirty, on 10/24/2007, -1/+7The same way the folks in Cuppertino rely on you to PURCHASE their software for their livelihood... or different?
      • deepakhj, on 10/24/2007, -3/+1Just because he installed it early doesn't mean he isn't going to purchase it.
    • Gauthic, on 07/09/2008, -0/+3Hopefully you didn't go blindly installing into a production box with a new (*unreleased*) OS? If you did, you were lucky you could have fscked up your whole workflow for weeks.
    • FluxHarmonic, on 10/24/2007, -0/+2I did pre-order it, and I didn't cancel my order. And I had already made a backup of my tiger install in case anything went screwy.
  • misterparry, on 10/25/2007, -2/+13if apple was really worried about people downloading this early, they wouldn't be selling it for 110 bucks, they know every mac user will eventually buy it, because that's what we do
    • comradeTJH, on 10/25/2007, -13/+5Oh really? I don't think so. I still feel fooled by Mac OS X even 10.5 still misses BASIC features like choosing from ANY color as desktop background... you can actually only choose from the predefined colors - or drag in a color-pix from another app. Finder still has NO FTP write Support. No easy interface for automount volumes after restart (as even OS 9 could) the menu bar can't be adjusted... you just have to accept that it's translucent ... so no, I paid a huge amount for my Macs and I will definitely not pay another $110 for bigger shadows, reflections on the Dock and a translucent menubar.... I know I'me being dugg down already... but I just had to point that out!
      • Chode2235, on 10/24/2007, -0/+3Then you will be going the bit torrent route? Surely, you are not suggesting that you will not upgrade?
      • comradeTJH, on 10/25/2007, -7/+2of course I always have to get the newest stuff... already got it ... oh and by the way... 10.5 still ***** .DS_Store files all over the place. You can turn it off for network volumes though but not on local mounted volumes. So flash cards will still get messed up with these files and causing problems with cameras, mobiles etc... I just can't get it they didn't find a better way to store metadata yet... unbelievable
        • superkendall, on 10/25/2007, -2/+12It's not like Apple is free to-rewrite how FAT works. Where would YOU put metadata, filesystem genius!!
        • Nuak, on 10/24/2007, -0/+4Maybe by defining a system-wide metadata structure inside a unique folder in the filesystem?
          • YoNoSoyTu, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1But then if you took your USB key (or dmg image) to another computer all the customization you could have done to the folder is lost (well, not lost, but only visible in your computer).

            I think .DS_Store files are like the thumb.db files of Mac OS X. You don't like them, but they are necessary.
        • Iwantawii, on 10/24/2007, -1/+3Other than Windows, every other major OS player (Unix/Linux/OSX) conform hiding files that begin with a period character. Hell, they don't even show up in the terminal unless you explicitly force it to.

          Like superK said above, this information needs to be stored somewhere and that somewhere has to be a file. If the .DS_Store files are really bothering you, then you're either using Windows or work/play with Windows users who share files and folders with your mac. In either case, the complaint shouldn't really be directed towards Leopard.
        • avihappy, on 10/24/2007, -0/+8In Vista, the .DS_Store is actually hidden now. Nice that Vista is hiding all files starting with a . now like all other OSs.
    • patrickloggins, on 10/25/2007, -7/+1Sadly, this is true. I pirate the ***** out of everything I have (the only legal things on my old PC were freeware apps and a bit of my music library was and is ripped CDs that I own), but I just shelled out money that I don't have for Leopard.

      ***** you, Apple.
  • MrViklund, on 10/24/2007, -10/+2I hope Apple find this man and sue him.
    • DirtySnachez, on 10/24/2007, -3/+10I hope you find common sense and stfu.
      • MrViklund, on 10/24/2007, -4/+2Nothing like a bit of controversy.
    • tito184, on 10/24/2007, -1/+5Why? Unless you are a stockholder, I'm not sure why anyone would care.
  • deadbaby, on 10/24/2007, -1/+7iTunes is definitely faster. I think they finally removed the last bits of Carbon code. Stuff like importing files or massive album art updates are noticeably quicker now.
    • Nexum, on 10/24/2007, -0/+4Carbon != Slow. And no, iTunes is still (as far as these things can be clean-cut) a carbon application. There are some fuzzy areas, because you can have Cocoa apps which rely heavily on Carbon APIs, and you can have Carbon apps which utilise Cocoa frameworks, but you can still quite cleanly describe iTunes as a carbon app.
      • MacParrot, on 10/24/2007, -1/+7Dammit! Now I want a hot chocolate
  • edpowers, on 10/25/2007, -1/+7My campus will have it for $69. Can I technically sell it on ebay after i'm done with it?
    • lechuga, on 10/24/2007, -1/+2Legally, you can't. Also, you're supposed to use it only as long as you're a student... but nobody really follows those rules...

      I guess you can resell it to a third party.. but I would keep it off the net...
    • kylesherman, on 10/25/2007, -0/+3This is the United States of course you can't.
    • mercurysquad, on 10/25/2007, -1/+3no
    • AdmiralKarelia, on 10/25/2007, -0/+7Murphy's Law dictates that the moment you sell it, your Mac's hard drive will die and you won't have a 10.5 disk to reinstall with.

      Just keep it. At $69, you'd better not be complaining. That's half the price of what's already the most inexpensive retail operating system (I'd better not hear any "Linux ZOMG!!!1).
  • patrickloggins, on 10/24/2007, -0/+3Does anyone know if RSS feeds in Mail and Safari are synced? I don't want to get the same thing twice if I use it.
  • sethosayher, on 10/24/2007, -1/+2Does anyone know if the Bootcamp drivers work? What do they improve?
    • TheFinaleofSeem, on 10/24/2007, -0/+2Um, Bootcamp drivers are the drivers in Windows. OS X has no effect on that. Bootcamp itself just repartitions your disk, burns the driver CD, and boots from an XP installer.
      • TVarmy, on 10/24/2007, -0/+4Apple's website says that Boot Camp in Leopard will have new drivers on the Leopard DVD to install in windows. No idea if they're newer, but it's a nice thing to include. Here's hoping they make the MBP touchpad scroll smother in Windows.
        • AdmiralKarelia, on 10/24/2007, -0/+2That's just to save you from burning a BootCamp drivers disk, by storing the drivers on the restore disk.
  • Iwantawii, on 10/24/2007, -1/+3How do we know this isn't the final beta version we saw earlier, that some chump renamed as final gold version or something?
  • JzzL, on 10/24/2007, -2/+5now, just to get google to enable imap on *my* account .
  • slippytoad, on 10/24/2007, -0/+4I wonder what it does with Uno...(guessing: it just disables it)
    • ciram, on 10/24/2007, -0/+3Yeah shapeshifter turns itself off after an upgrade
  • Gir9000, on 10/24/2007, -1/+2Pre-ordering my copy today!
  • digitallysick, on 10/25/2007, -7/+31yar http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3855637/APPLE.MAC.OSX. ...
    • jmholloway, on 10/25/2007, -4/+16holy crap those pirates are fast. you know the strange part is I would be totally okay with pirating vista (although I did buy my copy) but I would feel really bad about pirating os10.5
      • digitallysick, on 10/25/2007, -4/+1Yeah me to, i just posted the link because its been out for the last 2 or 3 days before today.
      • joemc72, on 10/25/2007, -5/+3Eh, I'm downloading it, but I'll still be over at the FSU bookstore Friday picking up a copy. I just won't have to crack the box open. :D
        • zetsurin, on 10/25/2007, -2/+1I can just see the ebay auction now "OSX Leopard circa 2007 NIB". List that in 2050 or so and you'll turn in a tidy profit.
      • Pelapp, on 10/25/2007, -1/+2Damn i wish i could brainwash my customers like Apple...
  • Attacus, on 10/25/2007, -7/+5Most of his apps are faster because he did a ***** clean install. I would expect Mail to have been improved, but otherwise it doesn't really make sense that Leopard would run other apps any faster than usual. Smarten up imo.
    • vondur, on 10/25/2007, -0/+7*All my applications and settings were retained *
      That means that he did an upgrade, not a wipe and install.
      • Attacus, on 10/25/2007, -2/+2Do you even know what a clean install is? You have the option to maintain your settings. Don't comment when you don't know what you're saying PC kid. And while that might be true natedouglas, I still think the clean install played a big part in how fast he perceived everything to be.
    • natedouglas, on 10/25/2007, -0/+3Apple did a lot more than just upgrade applications. That's why it's called 10.5, not 10.4.10. And yes, improving OS internals will cause applications to launch and run faster. Improving the functions of libraries, memory management, scheduling, even just plain recompiling the damn thing with different flags will make a difference.
  • directrix13, on 10/24/2007, -4/+8OK, this is bugging the ***** out of me. It is Mac OS 10.5 or Mac OS X Leopard. It is not Mac OS X 10.5 (the X is a roman numeral not an 'X'). Correct me if I'm wrong.
    • johnnybluejeans, on 10/25/2007, -2/+7It could also be called Mac OS 10.5 Leopard. But what about.... Mac OS X.5 ; )
    • 0xFEEDFACE, on 10/25/2007, -3/+1It actually can be Mac OS X 10.5. Mac OS X is the product, 10.5 is the version. It's easiest to say "Leopard" though.
  • Wander2000, on 10/25/2007, -3/+13I wonder if you install this before Friday will Apple brick your Mac?
    • MacParrot, on 10/24/2007, -1/+6Only if you use free ringtones on your 56k modem
  • buildmorerobots, on 10/24/2007, -1/+2I guess that was informative, but how about none mac apps? Did it mess with their settings and interface with drivers?
  • Glimjaur, on 10/25/2007, -8/+5http://thepiratebay.org/search/APPLE.MAC.OSX.LEOPA ...
    Satisfied?
    • dinkola, on 10/25/2007, -3/+2Yeah, cos everything on piratebay always turned out to be what it said in the description. (sarcasm)
  • jahoBin, on 10/25/2007, -8/+5Well, I am sure all Apple fans will automatically upgrade to Leopard because that is what Apple fans do, get the newest thing. Just a bit of advice though, this is the most informal review of any product I have ever seen. All he says is how fast things run or open or how much better they seem. He doesn't really say why though. You guys are going to upgrade your OS, that is obvious. At least read ONE official review about it. Too many Mac fans buy the product without actually knowing anything about it other than what the typical user knows. I am sure it is a fine OS. Just do some reading. You might learn something that you wouldn't already know.
    • natedouglas, on 10/24/2007, -2/+9Most of us have been reading the ***** out of every loose byte mentioning Leopard ever since Steve announced it. Every Apple site out there has been swamped with information since Day .001. Apple's posted a lot of information on their own site. In addition, there've been many developer previews that we've been studying with bated breath.

      It's not like we woke up this morning, came on Digg, and were like, "whoa... a new OS? MUST... INSTALL..."
    • postalblowfish7, on 10/25/2007, -2/+6you see, unlike windows, mac OS upgrades actually improve the operations of the computer, rather than break them. so yeah, we can't wait to upgrade.
  • Onetrack, on 10/24/2007, -2/+7Torrents are way too slow - the .nzb is on boneless if you know where to look.
  • fatwreck, on 10/25/2007, -3/+6Why should it be $30 more in Canada? Last I checked our dollar is stronger than the US. Also, to those of us who got an imac a few months back, seems strange having to pay for an os update so soon after getting the system.
    • spade, on 10/24/2007, -1/+2Thems the breaks, I'm sure it's vat and over the border stuff that's hurting you. Why don't you come down and spend your Candian dollars in the States?
    • faston, on 10/25/2007, -2/+0um...$129 is what I paid on apple.ca. Same price as apple.com. Although my iPod Touch did cost 50 bucks more up here.
  • postalblowfish7, on 10/25/2007, -1/+5i don't understand why everyone thinks the 'downloads' stack is so amazing. you've been able to put folders in the dock since 10.0. i even have one in my dock that's named *gasp* 'downloads' where i direct all of my safari, torrent, ichat, irc, and mail downloads.
    • dinkola, on 10/24/2007, -1/+1Its really the other enhancement - when you run anything from the downloads stack (or downloaded anyway) - it'll inform you when/where/etc you downloaded it - so you can be sure you want to run it.
    • spade, on 10/24/2007, -0/+4I have the sme setup but I hate that it's in column view only, I looking forward to stacks. Does it spring to the left or right from side bar docks? But really Time Machine is what I want.
  • AdmiralKarelia, on 10/24/2007, -8/+2Putting in my preorder now... wait, no I'm not. I work at an Apple Specialist, I'll get it for free.
  • flipmeat, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1Last call to buy a Mac with much-updated, well-proven Tiger 10.4 on board.
    After next week, *new* Macs with Leopard installed WILL NOT boot Tiger. Next week's Digg stories will all be Leopard gripes and bug reports. I prefer the option to go back, even if I don't choose to use it much. It gives me the warm fuzzies. (note to self: order a life on amazon.com)
  • greenamp, on 10/24/2007, -0/+2Dude the edu discount used to make it $99. Now it's $119 with edu discount. What the hell damn guy?
    • joemc72, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1If you actually go to most campus bookstores and show your ID it's $69 still. If you're using the Education store to get out of paying a few extra bucks...well, there you go.
      • greenamp, on 10/24/2007, -0/+2Unfortunately, the small University I attend does not have an on campus bookstore.
        • joemc72, on 10/24/2007, -1/+1Aw man, that stinks. I know the community college I go to isn't stocking it, but we can go to the Florida State bookstore across the street and get it there. Have you checked to see if they can order i for you?
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