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- anfo, on 09/26/2008, -13/+59Is there nothing Mac users won't complain about?
- inactive, on 09/26/2008, -2/+28"The problem is that while the underlying framework works well enough to provide base functionality, the experience of using it on a Mac is dreadful". That doesn't surprise me, but it's still early yet.
- wheezy360, on 09/27/2008, -0/+24Mac Fans disappointed?? Nooo... Never!
- zeebo, on 09/27/2008, -4/+28Right this is sort of hypocritical, since Apple makes no effort to release their application toolkits for other UNIX based OSes, and they make no effort to match the style of native Windows apps.
GTK apps work fine and look good in their native environment. - NathanCH, on 09/27/2008, -0/+13Should be OSX fans. Just like people say "Windows fans" and "Linux Fans" they don't call them "Dell Fans" do they?
- inotocracy, on 09/27/2008, -0/+11Looks like GTK to me. What did you expect?
- zephc, on 09/27/2008, -4/+13Right this is sort of hypocritical, since Microsoft makes no effort to release their application toolkits for UNIX based OSes, and they make no effort to match the style of native Apple apps.
- ArthurSucks, on 09/26/2008, -1/+9What?
- TheFinaleofSeem, on 09/27/2008, -0/+8Macs also have a capslock key you can toggle on and off. I thought Windows boxes did too, but maybe I'm mistaken.
- kidd3ckz, on 09/27/2008, -0/+8All these grammar nazis and nobody points out the double negative?
***** slackers! - TheCoreh, on 09/27/2008, -0/+8It's called Quartz
- nubnub, on 09/27/2008, -6/+14Stop complaining
- AReallyGoodName, on 09/27/2008, -2/+9Is there anyway to do the opposite?
It'd be nice to run Mac programs on Linux. I'd imagine running Mac games on linux would require going through far fewer API-translation layers. ie. There'd be none of the DirectX to equivalent OpenGL and OpenAL function calls that WINE does.
Specifically i'd like to run COD4 Mac edition on Linux and see if it runs better than the Windows version via WINE. - h0ly, on 09/27/2008, -2/+9Yeah, you tell them what to do with their free time...
- matt.rubin, on 09/27/2008, -1/+7Hey! People put alot of work into porting this for you Mac Users. Stop giving them ***** for "menu" mistakes.
- matador0, on 09/27/2008, -5/+11Yay now i can run pidgin. oh wait.
ADIUM X - stockjones, on 09/27/2008, -3/+9Lol the apps dont look the same. Jesus Christ.
- trogdoor, on 09/27/2008, -0/+5http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/05/ ...
- srg13, on 09/27/2008, -1/+6This article is completely false - there is a way of putting the menus in the top menu, and the screenshot is ancient (there is a Mac OS style by default, I beleive). Not to mention that the framework is only in beta...
Here are some slightly more recent screenshots, with the menus at the top (they're using the Clearlooks theme instead of the Mac OS one though).
http://developer.imendio.com/sites/developer.imend ...
http://developer.imendio.com/sites/developer.imend ... - AReallyGoodName, on 09/27/2008, -1/+6No Cod4 is one of the few Mac games that was ported natively.
Aspyr (the team that ported it) doesn't use Cider. - inactive, on 09/27/2008, -0/+5Macs.
- TheFinaleofSeem, on 09/27/2008, -1/+6Yeah, they can now run the three Linux apps that don't have an equivalent or haven't been ported. Yay!
- inactive, on 09/26/2008, -6/+11Finally a break for Mac users.
- srg13, on 09/27/2008, -0/+4"GTK apps look like crap on every platform."
No they don't... On Windows, GTK uses a theme engine that mimic the OS's default style. So they fit in quite nicely, actually. A Mac OS theme is in development, but the Clearlooks theme looks quite nice for now (the ancient screenshot in the article shows unthemed GTK).
Alternatively (on any platform), you can pick one of the thousands of themes available for GTK, many of which look really great. - joshpar, on 09/26/2008, -6/+10Hmmm.... I have a very different experience. With the GTK+ port of Ardour, the menu items ARE in the standard mac place. Quite a bit of effort on the part of the developers have made this happen. The app runs quite smoothly, and responds like a Mac app. The GTK code is packaged into the .app bundle, and can be copied from a disk image just like any other app. That being said, the scripts required to do this are complex, and it would probably make sense for the GTK port team to start including templates that do this work for the developer (e.g scripts to move and rename dependencies, .app packaging and creation of nib files from the menu items created in the source code).
- jonsterling, on 09/27/2008, -0/+4I'm a recent convert from Linux to Mac OS, and I haven't found any program that I've missed on Linux. I spent most of my time on Linux trying to find equivalents to apps that are easy on Mac OS and Windows, in fact.
- undrgz, on 09/27/2008, -2/+6compiz is not gtk you dumbass.
- MtheoryX, on 09/27/2008, -0/+4"...and they make no effort to match the style of native Windows apps."
Wait, there's a native style that is consistent throughout the OS and Apps on Windows?
News to me. - balthisar, on 09/27/2008, -1/+5Or play Eve-Online with. Or develop CakePHP applications with. Or program Objective-C/Cocoa with. Or use to work on homework from one's job in automotive engineering. Or professional photography. Or yes, even boot into Windows with, or run X natively with.
RISC is no longer a relevant term for comparing the two.
It has nothing to do with being a yuppie -- and I've been a Mac user since before Windows existed, and while "yuppie" was still a term people used.
And by your standards, anyone is a yuppie that can afford a Mercury instead of a Hyundai. - MtheoryX, on 09/27/2008, -0/+3It actually is a big deal. Mac users are accustomed to a consistent look throughout their OS and across all apps.
- dragon76, on 09/27/2008, -0/+3Uh, I believe it's called GNUstep. Although GNUstep as far as I understand uses just the NextStep APIs and not necessarily the full Cocoa APIs.
- zeebo, on 09/27/2008, -2/+5Isn't COD4 Mac Edition built on Cider? Wouldn't Wine be roughly the same?
- RyeBrye, on 09/27/2008, -1/+4Umm... I was running GTK+ apps on my mac four or five years ago when I was in school. What's new about this effort? That it doesn't require X11?
- samthurston, on 09/27/2008, -1/+4you're already going to get buried for saying something bad about Apple on digg, but this cracks me up because you're like that guy who goes around saying "linux doesn't have a gui and it doesn't work with any hardware."
buy a real pc? like the 3 best independantly rated machines for running vista are made by apple. the only person in the whole world that cares about "software philosophy" is RMS. Meanwhile there's good GTK apps where the OSX dev teams have had to jump through hoops and use cocoa and do other untoward things in order to get them working. it's the developers that win. - ErifNeerg, on 09/27/2008, -0/+3Pidgin is ugly compare to adium but Pidgin can do IRC... The adium people just have no desire to support irc which is really sad.
- TheFinaleofSeem, on 09/27/2008, -1/+4Wow, so you can now run Linux apps on your Mac...what apps are there that haven't been ported to OS X or at least a Unix environment? What, three programs that don't have an equivalent?
- Teridon, on 09/27/2008, -2/+5Why the heck does the menu bar say "Grab". Oh, I know why -- this guy doesn't know how to cap the screen without it.
Cmd-Opt-3 to grab entire screen. Result goes to "Picture-1.png" on the Desktop. - forteller, on 09/27/2008, -1/+4Dell: It's great for porn!
- mrBitch, on 09/29/2008, -0/+2@zeebo, you idiot. zephc ate your lunch with his reply :
" this is sort of hypocritical, since Microsoft makes no effort to release their application toolkits for UNIX based OSes, and they make no effort to match the style of native Apple apps. " - mikedoth, on 09/27/2008, -2/+4I've been griping about this with QT apps in gnome for a long time. What now the mac crew gets all the attention... heh.
- svensksvamp, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2*****: http://developer.imendio.com/sites/developer.imend ...
Looks pretty darn awesome to me.
Here's an early port of native Gimp: http://gimp-app.sourceforge.net/ - TheFinaleofSeem, on 09/27/2008, -1/+3So if I want to run OS X, Linux, and Windows on a computer for, say, development purposes, what am I left to do? What if I use OS X for the most part, but want to tinker with Linux? What if I want to virtualize Linux in OS X for certain reasons? Yes, you're right, putting an OS other than OS X on your Mac is against Apple's philosophy. Oh, wait, you can already do that with Apple's blessing.
- Handonam, on 09/27/2008, -1/+3...what an original name and attitude. Ha
- TheFinaleofSeem, on 09/27/2008, -1/+3Funny, I remember Apple talking up the whole Boot Camp thing and touting how you can run Windows on your Mac. Seems to me that when they include software to help you out, that's kind of a blessing, no? And how is virtualization not compatible with open source libraries? Because Parallels/VMWare isn't open source itself? Gimme a break.
- scottstevenson, on 09/27/2008, -1/+3Mac OS X's entire kernel environment is available as open source. Just sayin.
- IntellEJent, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2It's Cmd-Shift-3. It looks like you might have had problems with it as well...
- srg13, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2Don't forget that it's still in beta.
- srg13, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2On further investigation, it seems the Mac OS theme engine is still in development, and not stable enough to be enabled by default. The Clearlooks one still looks really nice in my opinion though.
- Zippo, on 09/27/2008, -1/+3Hey, give it time... I'm sure they'll work the bugs out.
- srg13, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2"I'd imagine running Mac games on linux "
You're right - games wouldn't be that hard, because generally they only need things like OpenGL and/or SDL and the like, which you can get on Linux. But anything that has a Cocoa or Carbon user interface would require that to be completely ported to another toolkit (like GTK) to work, unless someone made a kind of Wine project to run Mac OS binaries... Which would be quite difficult... -
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