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MacOS X Demo

video.google.com — I put a little video together to show people who don't use Macs or what the big deal is or even if they're thinking about getting one but aren't sure because they don't know what to expect. It's 28 minutes long and covers most of the basics. I could have gone on and on for 24 hours talking about all the cool things, but I hope this satisfies.

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  • luvmebackkk, on 10/12/2007, -111/+3http://virtualmagic.blogspot.com/2006/10/get-mac.html

    • vbsurfer, on 10/12/2007, -9/+20Watchu talking a boot?
    • daza, on 10/12/2007, -4/+39I think he's trying to say "blog-spam".
    • avatarpalin, on 10/12/2007, -25/+60@Retuobak

      Vista is ready to use!?? Out of the box!???

      I have been given the task of reviewing Vista because our company wants to see what Vista has for them. So i threw it on an IBM T30 which is the average machine we have in our field, and trailed it as both an SOE and a home user.. I was left with one statement that summed it up. "Seven years for this!?"

      Sure the install was fine, about time they stopped the half way "What network do you want" Guff, but try to run any of the apps that are coming with this OS 'Out of the Box'. Windows Movie Maker, Windows DVD Maker, Screen Savers, hell pretty much anything wont run because the graphics card isn't good enough. What the? This hardware is faster than my powerbook G4 and I can make movies, make DVD's enjoy lovely 3d screen savers.. Hell even the porn is fantastic!! (ummm cough) but Microsoft still install them onto the machine 'out of the box'. What a freaking tease.

      So yes, I am sorry Vista is nothing more than Windows XP and Windows Blinds could of cooked up.

      Windows Vista... Shiny Box, disappointment on the inside...

      Bah I'm just pissed because I am a web developer and I haven't drafted my "You Site is now broken due to IE7" Yet.

    • Jaymoon, on 10/12/2007, -18/+6I love that demo of the dock...

      :rollseyes:
    • mpancha, on 10/12/2007, -27/+7Articles/comments like those I read remind me of my last trip to an Apple store. I walked in and told the guy I was going to walk out with a MBP. I just needed his help determining if I should get the 17" or the 15", and if I should go glossy or matte screen. The guy went off on a speech about how Windows has confusing names for their OS, like XP, 2000, Vista... his argument, how do you know which one is the newest. I asked him how you know wether Tiger, Leopard, Panther, etc was the latest. HIs response was "huh, but you like Apples right?". I left after telling a supervisor that the reason he just lost a sale was because of his salesman not answering a simple question "which is better glossy or matte, and why, based on my general usage which I told him."

      That aside, I made a little video, granted it was only 2 minutes long, to show off Expose when it first showed up in OS X. Had the wow factor, but XP had a similar (that is similar, not same) freebie you could install from MS if you wanted it. So, no biggie, doesn't really help me do things quicker, except for the show desktop feature... which well, Windows has an icon for, and you can assign a shortcut to an icon very easily. Bottom line, Apples and Windows both suck equally. I have yet to be proven wrong in my tenure as an Apple user.
    • Xoligy, on 10/12/2007, -22/+9It's still just not got the edge over Windows for me. I've used Mac a lot, for graphic design, programming and Video editing, but every time I've used it I've hated it more and more.

      All the superficial find as you type and fancy effects don't interest me.
    • klawz, on 10/12/2007, -9/+19@avatarpalin - from your statements, to your installing on a 4 year old machine, I conclude you're never used Vista, or you're trying to spread FUD - don't make Apple OSs look worse by talking down the "other guys" - make it look BETTER by talking about it's strengths. Vista isn't even out yet, and people like you love the fact that you can say unsubstantiated stuff about it, and the average person will believe you because they have nothing else to bounce your lies off of - well I've beta tested more OSs than you can probably dream of, and can tell you that Vista Beta, even running on a 4 year old machine, runs nothing like you've described. Scientific facts is all we need, not FUD.
    • ZeroG52, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13@avatarpalin

      If all you think an OS is is eye candy, then you are truly incapable of speaking as to the advantages of Windows Vista. I have used a multitude of OS's throughout the years, starting with an Apple IIe all the way through vista, including various flavors of MacOS, Linux, Unix, etc. There is much more to an OS than what you see on the surface. MS kept the presentation familiar to users as MacOS has done with it's OS's. There are minor tweaks, but they kept the feel the same so that less savvy users would feel at home in the new OS. Under the hood however, is a very different beast, the features of which are already well documented on the Internet. Your T30 probably has an ATI 7500 video chipset, and while not currently supporting all of the Aero features, that is the fault of ATI not providing a proper driver, not Microsoft's. Anyways, I just wanted to put my two cents in on this, feel free to reply. Have a blessed day.
    • 1daystay, on 10/12/2007, -16/+2Mac's third party suck,not to mention gaming, i would never switch. Not even if there a free Mac in front of me. I'd sell it on ebay.
    • aragon127, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2Chances of anyone who doesn't already own a Mac of watching that not-even-fit-for-public-access 28 minute "program": 0.

      Looks a lot linux for people with money burning a hole in their pocket.
    • ZeroG52, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I actually watched most of it and was fairly impressed. Only fanboys make comments like that.
    • Gerolsteiner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1mpancha,

      I worked as a Mac Specialist at one of the stores, and frankly, out of nearly 100 coworkers, I can't think of a single one who would have been that absurd. Apple Retail employees are not by any means flaming mac-fanboys (and girls), but are in fact, as a whole, extremely bright, creative people who at some point later in life, will be doing something far more important.

      Apple snags talent for less because of brand loyalty, but that doesn't give them raging fanboy employees, but instead very intelligent ones.
  • KennyF, on 10/12/2007, -32/+36Now we need one (a few) for Linux,
    • JacNet, on 10/12/2007, -39/+14Yes, we do.
    • rickcarson, on 10/12/2007, -40/+1115 minutes to install
      23 hours to configure the sound card
      7 hours to hook up the network printer

      An OS that works out of the box: priceless.
    • daza, on 10/12/2007, -28/+52rickcarson:

      It works "out of the box" because it supports about 20 (just a ball-park figure) different hardware configurations. Try supporting billions. And keep in mind Apple are behind drivers for hardware and whatnot; not some shady third party sound-card manufacturer you bought a card from for $2. That's why it works.
    • rickcarson, on 10/12/2007, -10/+123Utter bollocks.

      What you fail to take into account is that Apple's current retail operating system (10.4 'Tiger') runs on old G3s.

      That is lets count them: G3, G4, G5 and Intel, at least four 'generations' of processors alone. Then add in the mix of sound cards, video cards (the Mac Pro alone has options for video cards from 2 different manufacturers), hard drives...

      Not to mention things like printers and cameras which have to work out of the box.

      You did get one thing partly right though. If some device does not work on Windows, nobody blames Microsoft, it is the manufacturers fault. Whereas Apple does not have that luxury.

      Let us see you run Vista on your 5 year old computer, and _then_ you can trash talk all you want.

      Oh, and let us apply the other standard that Apple has. Their newer versions of OSX are widely reported to improve the performance of the older hardware. Will Vista run faster than XP on that 5 year old hardware? I don't think so. Will it run better than Windows NT or '98? I don't think so.

      Come back when you have some real news, and not whinging and excuses.
    • Retuobak, on 10/12/2007, -27/+6"It works "out of the box" because it supports about 20 (just a ball-park figure) different hardware configurations. Try supporting billions. And keep in mind Apple are behind drivers for hardware and whatnot; not some shady third party sound-card manufacturer you bought a card from for $2. That's why it works."

      So Windows wins here?
      With both Vista RC1 and RC2 I didn't need to install any drivers.
      Right from the first boot my system was ready to use.
    • edmicman, on 10/12/2007, -34/+16"(the Mac Pro alone has options for video cards from 2 different manufacturers)"

      Buwahahahahaha! A whole 2 different manufacturers!!! Yay diversity!
    • SVPirate, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23Be honsest, there aren't really *that* many PC video cards than don't use one of 2 chipsets, ATi or NVidia. Those that do are either so cheap they aren't worth owning (be honest a lot of ATi and NVidia cards are that bad too), specialist, or just plain wierd.
    • avatarpalin, on 10/12/2007, -26/+13@Retuobak

      Vista is ready to use!?? Out of the box!???

      I have been given the task of reviewing Vista because our company wants to see what Vista has for them. So i threw it on an IBM T30 which is the average machine we have in our field, and trailed it as both an SOE and a home user.. I was left with one statement that summed it up. "Seven years for this!?"

      Sure the install was fine, about time they stopped the half way "What network do you want" Guff, but try to run any of the apps that are coming with this OS 'Out of the Box'. Windows Movie Maker, Windows DVD Maker, Screen Savers, hell pretty much anything wont run because the graphics card isn't good enough. What the? This hardware is faster than my powerbook G4 and I can make movies, make DVD's enjoy lovely 3d screen savers.. Hell even the porn is fantastic!! (ummm cough) but Microsoft still install them onto the machine 'out of the box'. What a freaking tease.

      So yes, I am sorry Vista is nothing more than Windows XP and Windows Blinds could of cooked up.

      Windows Vista... Shiny Box, disappointment on the inside...

      Bah I'm just pissed because I am a web developer and I haven't drafted my "You Site is now broken due to IE7" letter yet.
    • webpoet73, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7My PC is 4 years old. P4 2.0GHz. I did upgrade it with an ATi Radeon 9600XT last year, but it runs Vista RC1 just fine. I get all of the eye candy.

      I do agree that the GUI is the biggest improvement that the user will see. The behind the scenes upgrades are not immediately noticeable. These improvements probably won't be noticed until Vista is fully out in the wild. Some of the other apps that come with Vista (like Windows Calendar and Windows Photo Gallery) could be ported down to XP SP2 just like Windows Defender and IE7 were. That would give less compelling reason to upgrade.

      That being said, I am not a fully OSX convert. I still use my Windows PC for a few things. (I have WinXP Home and Vista RC1 dual-booting on it.)
    • r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7"My PC is 4 years old. P4 2.0GHz. I did upgrade it with an ATi Radeon 9600XT last year, but it runs Vista RC1 just fine. I get all of the eye candy."

      Yeah but now go back 4 GENERATIONS of CPU, and you won't stand a chance as that is the P2 or P3.
    • klawz, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3@rickcarson - you obviously are on your "Apple-Humper(tM)" soap-box, and I see from those who are your followers modding you up in the 60s - well, I 100% disagree, I *HAVE* used Tiger on a G3, and I *HAVE* used Vista on a P2, and guess what? They *BOTH* sucked, very much so. I'd have to give the upper hand to Vista though, you know why? It detected I was using ***** hardware, and turned off some of the "pretty-pretty fluff" - which you and I would call the GUI enhancements - so please tell me, why can't you promote Apple with it's strengths instead of trying to knock down the competition which is so overwhelming right now, it makes both you AND Apple look bad. Try a different approach and maybe you can convince a lot more people to use something that they may conclude themselves as better.
    • pyrates, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Ah the fan boys gotta love em. How about this? Instead of comparing windows vista against the current mac os x 10.4, you could compare it against mac os x 10.5. Ah but you can't because it's not out and apple hasn't said what it runs on yet. They might even say it will be intel only. So now mac os x 10.5 will only run on ONE generation cpu compared against windows vista that can run on 3 generations. But if you want to talk about specs, say the processor type and speed. Then again you won't mention that out of convenience. And how well does mac os x 10.4 run a 233 MHz CPU anyways? Not very well at all. Just like Windows Vista.
    • rickcarson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3(nb: this got way too long. My apologies)

      "...and maybe you can convince a lot more people to use something that they may conclude themselves as better"

      I don't see people being convinced by long lists of the good points. What I see are people who already looked up the long list, and said "all that and I no viruses or spyware???!!! Sweet baby Jesus sign me up right freaking now!". And the other type of people are those who have looked at the long list and said "there's only one thing keeping me from switching...".

      Generally that one thing falls into one of the categories of the old myths, pick one:

      Only one mouse button. Give me strength Lord to deal with the infidel.

      Mac has less software. How many word processors do you need anyway?

      My software won't run. Unless you're talking about AutoCAD this is mostly BS

      Macs are more expensive. Hey if even I, ultimate cheapskate that I am (my hardware motto before switching was 'buy hardware that was the latest thing three years ago, and run software on it that was the latest thing 5 years ago') can do a price comparison and realise that Macs are cheaper (a large part of why I switched - but not the reason I stayed), then I expect other people to do the math too. If your budget only stretches to $200... why are you buying a new computer on a $200 budget? Go buy second hand. Oh wait, second hand PCs are really really dodgy... well... you could try a second hand Mac, those are generally regarded as pretty good. If your budget stretches anywhere from $600 to $3000, then Apple has some pretty tasty options in that price range. And I know people who spend more than $3000 on their computer.

      There are no games on the Mac. I'm a very heavy gamer, and I use a Mac for it, so that one is kind of wrong.

      Generally you see people flip flopping between those last two, which is a bit crazy. If they are a hard core gamer, why are they complaining about Apple not putting out a $200 beige box like everyone else? No serious gamer is going to spend $200 on their gaming machine. But then if they admit they that will actually spend over $3000 on their next windows machine... they'll still complain about lack of gaming options...
      (me: points at boot camp and the price comparison between Mac Pro and Dell and goes hmm...)

      So I don't think people will switch based on arguing on the internet. Anyone arguing has already made their (emotional) decision, and all the so called logic is simply to justify their (emotional) pre-determined purchase decision.

      So why argue? Because _someone else_, who hasn't made up their mind yet, might read the 80s era crap that the anti-Apple crowd spreads around here, and think that the FUD might be true.

      To have a genuinely open, no agendas on either side choice you'd need to do something like a blind taste test (eg Pepsi vs Coke). But that is clearly impossible with an OS.

      For something like that to happen I think people would actually need to get hands on with the OS. And it would probably need to be more than 5 minutes worth. Five minutes is just about enough time to realise that things are different, and have a negative reaction because most people are uncomfortable with change.

      Even as a mac user with the intel switch, I'd go into a store selling Macs and play around for five or ten minutes and not really see any difference. What are you going to do in five minutes? Run the visualizer in iTunes? Play around with a couple of widgets? I don't think so.

      My personal experience was that even after purchasing the Mac I was kind of nervous about a bunch of things. I thought I'd have to at least recompile my code (because of different endianness on PPC chips), but i didn't. I wondered if I could get by without my old windows software (I could, there are plenty of substitutes).

      Then I don't know how much later, could have been a week, could have been as much as three weeks, you kind of wake up one day and have this pseudo religious experience where you realise that it is going to work. That you can actually sever the Windows umbilical cord and survive, and what is more, you don't have to put up with all those little things that have been grinding away at you like sandpaper and lemon juice for all those years.

      You realise that OSX is not just different, it is also _better_.
    • hurfydurfur, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@rickcarson: decent points except for the gaming bits. Macs are dreadful in this respect. First off, a very weird stance on OpenGL spec. They do 1.5 with all the 2.0 extensions. If you fire up an OpenGL extensions tester, you'll see that it certifies 100% from 1.2 all the way to 2.0 (even 2.1 a bit). Officially OSX is OpenGL 1.5 but has all the extensions to make 2.0 work. It's not a major issue it's just kind of weird. Now 10.5 is going to bring OpenGL 2.1 which I assume is completely 2.1, this will be good just for clarity.

      More importantly... you can't just buy a PC video card and slap it in a Mac. That means if you spend $3000 on a Mac Pro, you can't buy that shiny 8800GTX PC card and slap it in. You'll just get a black screen (afaik). This is because there is a specific Mac video card BIOS, anything else won't work. I don't quite understand their thinking here but this kind of kills off a lot of would-be switchers. The Mac Pro has a nice 1900xtx option but I'm stuck with ATI in that case.

      Thirdly, lack of titles. Yes bootcamp exists. Yes parallels will do 3d at some point. But I guess I'm talking OSX here. Gaming is OSX is kind of neat because of all the underlying OS stuff that you have available. You install and move around games from drive to drive not worrying about the registry. You can drag and drop install (most times). Bootcamp would let you play HL2 but you can't move HL2 to your firewire drive like you can with WoW because it's not a Mac.app. The fact that an application/game is a "single file" is something I think gamers would really enjoy, instead of reinstalling to move a game from C: to D: or keeping game settings in the registry.

      A lot of this stems from a lack of market share. Apple can't influence the video vendors and they don't have as many man-hours optimizing the drivers. Add to that that OSX is really dependant on OpenGL, they stay behind on driver versions on purpose. It will be interesting to see if Vista does the same. Since the OS is using game technology, if a video driver feature messes up, it's not Doom3 that crashes, it's the OS. Because of that, MS might require more driver quality or intentionally stay behind as Apple has done. I'm keeping an eye out for that.

  • Shirk, on 10/12/2007, -21/+8"Knowing is half the battle...Yo Joe!"
  • ImTheDarkcyde, on 10/12/2007, -18/+8aw, that title really got my hopes up :(
  • TheReport, on 10/12/2007, -165/+8The only "Demo's" I watch online contain women making out and usually partially if not fully naked then with a few clicks of the mouse and my credit card number Im upgraded to full blown movies instead of "Demo's"
    • EmileVictor, on 10/12/2007, -15/+66Just... stfu please.
    • TheReport, on 10/12/2007, -121/+8You must be *****, sorry didnt meant to offend a faggonwaggon
    • MiddleGirth, on 10/12/2007, -8/+18Did you read her name? Shame on you and your ignorance.

    • mewithoutyou, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Demo's? Things that belong to Demo? Who is demo?

      I think you mean Demos.
    • Murdats, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3no you just meant to be crude and abbrasive
    • EmileVictor, on 10/12/2007, -8/+9@MiddleGirth

      I won't even go there. :(
    • Joey67, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1"You must be *****, sorry didnt meant to offend a faggonwaggon"

      No... probably not a *****... just doesn't live in a fantasy world where guys think that lesbians (which is what you're talking about) have a secret desire to have a guy in there as a third.
  • the_snitch, on 10/12/2007, -4/+30Surprisingly good overview, well done!

    I can tell your canadian. mouse = moose.
    • cypherz, on 10/12/2007, -11/+39I can tell you need some help with spelling. "Your" does not equal "You're."
      xD
    • blinkfink182, on 10/12/2007, -19/+18I can tell you need help with your identification. That's not spelling, its grammar.
    • Gills, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Let's not dwell on semantics lest we be considered pettifoggers
    • rebz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11I can tell you need some help with your punctuation. Try "it's" on for size.

      @Gills: Damn you, broke the chain!
    • preppeller, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6@rebz: "@Gills: Damn you, broke the chain!"

      I think you may find that it's "Damn you, you broke the chain!"; Although, I may have accepted "Damn, you broke the chain!", at a push.

      :o)
    • dandarie, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2That's not "its", it's "it's".
    • NtroP, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4>I think you may find that it's "Damn you, you broke the chain!"; Although, I may have accepted >"Damn, you broke the chain!", at a push.

      "At a push"?! Don'tcha mean "in a pinch"?
    • migbike, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@That's not "its", it's "it's".

      That's not "its", it's "it's."

      Never end a sentence with a quotation mark.
  • DirkVanAss, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27I'm new to macs, some was obvious, but i liked it and learned some stuff
  • MackPrime, on 10/12/2007, -44/+8your voice is ***** annoying.
  • theprez, on 10/12/2007, -28/+8Useful for the clueless, but the voice and audio are extremely annoying.
    Edit: MackPrime beat me to the comment
    • Ltgeo, on 10/12/2007, -21/+1***** wrong reply
    • theprez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is by far the greatest OS X demo I've ever seen. The voice and sound make it entertaining and fun to watch.
  • vampireblood, on 10/12/2007, -54/+7After seeing that I still prefer windows over mac.

    I live in Australia and Windows dominates the market so I might as well go with the majority and don't be that unique rebel who has his Mac computer.
    • chrisrad, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24I live in Australia and I don't think Apple is any less present than the likes of USA & Europe... sure we don't have official Apple stores, but we've got a bunch of dedicated mac resellers.
    • kunalthakar, on 10/12/2007, -6/+29This is exactly the attitude because of which Windows is still on top. If only people made decisions on what they want and not what everyone is doing...
    • zongamin, on 10/12/2007, -30/+15expect nothing more from a convict
    • kodek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13After reading your comment, I still don't like you.
    • Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -16/+13"If only people made decisions on what they want and not what everyone is doing..."

      I use Windows because others are, but that goes beyond what you consider "groupthink". Applications have a lot to do with it as well. Just as one of dozens of examples, AutoCAD with various extensions is an industry standard in the CAD business and it's only available for Windows. I'm sure there are alternatives for Mac, but can you imagine the amount of hassle a company solve by having 100% compatible software from the same manufacturer? Some features and CAD extensions are also not even available in competing products, which can be essential for an industry.

      And CAD is just one of many, many examples like this.
    • Ltgeo, on 10/12/2007, -14/+2Just wait for the ashes...grrr bloody Pom's
    • paulryan21, on 10/12/2007, -11/+13More than happy to PCs to rule the world - go right ahead.
      There are more cockroaches than humans on planet earth - doesn't mean they are a more evolved life form.

      In regards to the convict line - the Brits are still pissed they gave away the wrong island.
      Hmmmm - send all the criminals to a beautiful island, full of sunshine and natural wonders and we'll keep all the law abiding citizens on a crammed, cloudy, rainy tiny landmass.

      Smart logic there !!!!
    • behemothaur, on 10/12/2007, -15/+3You are an idiot.
    • mrgreen4242, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8"I live in Australia and Windows dominates the market so I might as well go with the majority and don't be that unique rebel who has his Mac computer."

      Your apathy explains the systematic erossion of the common mans freedom of choice. Thanks for that, btw.
    • SeBBBe, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3"Just as one of dozens of examples, AutoCAD with various extensions is an industry standard in the CAD business and it's only available for Windows."

      Eh?

      Pick one:
      1) Run the app on OS X just as you would on Windows with http://darwine.opendarwin.org/
      2) Run in Parallells
      3) Dual boot and run Windows XP natively when u need Windows specific apps

      The only downside with Macs is that they cost a lot. They're worth it all, but many people dont want to spend extra on good looks. It's true. Other than that, Macs have as good as no downsides.
    • Carnag3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4*types on macbook pro*
      dude, people in Australia use apple products, not only ipods, but sales at the uni have gone from like 90% pcs, to more like 60% macs now, its the younger culture that want these products, but don't be mistaken, we love apples here, its surprising the popularity rise in youth, its 'cool to have an apple'. P.s. i am 18.
    • msgyrd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7***Pick one:
      1) Run the app on OS X just as you would on Windows with http://darwine.opendarwin.org/
      2) Run in Parallells
      3) Dual boot and run Windows XP natively when u need Windows specific apps***

      1) Programs that heavily rely on DirectX don't work too well in WINE. Go to winehq and you will see that almost no CAD programs (AutoCAD, Solidworks, etc) are supported for their current releases.
      2) Parallels takes a decent performance hit because you're running two operating systems at once. If you want to load a topographical map of an entire county, you don't want anything slowing down your system.
      3) The best option sadly. Personally, I wish it didn't have to be so limited. Even if one company would write a decent product for another platform, it would help tremendously.

      ***The only downside with Macs is that they cost a lot. They're worth it all, but many people dont want to spend extra on good looks. It's true. Other than that, Macs have as good as no downsides.***

      Quit spreading that crap. Honestly, it was true a few years ago, but for almost 2 years, Macs have been priced competitively with PCs. Go to Dell.com and compare an equivilant system to a macbook or MBP, the price is almost identical if not more expensive. Granted, you have more companies to choose from for a PC, which allows you to choose from more configurations, but similar hardware setups cost almost the same for the current intel lineup (except RAM...Apple always price gouges for some reason)
    • njren78, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2""If only people made decisions on what they want and not what everyone is doing..."

      I use Windows because others are, but that goes beyond what you consider "groupthink". Applications have a lot to do with it as well. Just as one of dozens of examples, AutoCAD with various extensions is an industry standard in the CAD business and it's only available for Windows. I'm sure there are alternatives for Mac, but can you imagine the amount of hassle a company solve by having 100% compatible software from the same manufacturer? Some features and CAD extensions are also not even available in competing products, which can be essential for an industry.

      And CAD is just one of many, many examples like this."

      Do you actually NEED a CAD program. If so, you have a point. If not, you are simply making an argument that is (1) common and (2) has nothing do with your situation. Sure, there are arguments to be made for specific cases, but using those arguments when they don't affect you simply makes you look like someone who doesn't want to switch because "everyone else uses what I use". The fact is, unless we are talking about specific applications, interoperability between Mac and Windows is very good.

      By the way...there are CAD apps for the Mac. I have no idea about swapping files between app versions (Mac to Windows), but they do exist and are used.
  • ctiptonk, on 10/12/2007, -18/+8Good effort, but should probably be faster paced and less detailed to impress its target audiences, windows drones and novices with short attention spans... if they'd really paid attention and done their homework, they'd be using a mac already. More polish (ie cleaner audio) would be nice too.
    • BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Unless they're an intelligent rational person who made their own mind up, and came to a different conclusion for themselves.

      People no less intelligent than you, but who have opinions and thoughts different to yours?

      I guess that's impossible, right?
  • bohrhead, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13"You can increase or decrease the size of the dock to make it large or big" Great!
  • tweeto, on 10/12/2007, -15/+5For me, the windows/ubuntu user, every thing is so "iTunesy" (or iTunes is so "OSX'ish"),
    creepy...
    • njren78, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2And my complaint about Ubuntu is that it looks too brown. Yes, one can change this, but who thought that brown was a lovely color that people would be happy to look at every day? Also, consider that most people who use either a Mac or PC will never change the theme (especially on a Mac, where it's a huge pain for the average user, meaning that it should be part of the OS, not some third-party app that one has to download and install). Those people are essentially stuck with the brown theme of Ubuntu. If Linux wants to ever be mainstream, it needs to be easier.

      That said, Ubuntu is cool, and I don't mind using it.
  • withakay, on 10/12/2007, -26/+12Why is this front page "news"? Would a guide to XP for Mac users ever make it to the front page? I doubt it...
    • rowanjl, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23Because people liked it, you do realize that this is Digg?
    • zongamin, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16Why don't you make one and find out?
    • msgyrd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3OSX users almost always know how to work with Windows, but not all Windows users know how to work with OSX. Guides for less dominant systems make sense. A guide for Windows which has 90% marketshare is kinda pointless. I would assume you've already been familiarized with it.
  • lucid270, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2626 views on google.. 108 diggs...

    excellent.. lol
    • dyvbond, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1278 diggs and 26 minutes later and still 26 views..

      and people wonder why comments on digg are unintelligent =/
    • zybch, on 10/12/2007, -22/+12Why does this surprise you?
      The mac fanboys WILL digg anything that has mac, jobs, OSX in the title before actually reading the article or viewing the video, no matter how lame.
      I'm downloading the video and giving it a look before I digg this story. Its sad, very sad that others won't do the same, and one of the big reasons the unthinking mac fanboys who digg regardless, are so hated!
    • chrisrad, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25ever consider it doesn't update live?
    • myyyke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4im guessing google only counts a view by people who watch it till the end. Not many people are going to sit through 30 minutes of that. I got bored after 2 and noticed a 5 minute overview movie so i clicked that.
    • proglottis, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Maybe the digg button should be disabled until the link has at least been clicked. Probably hard to implement and make it effective. Something has to be done though.
    • KyleMistry, on 10/12/2007, -6/+25@zybch

      "The mac fanboys WILL digg anything that has mac, jobs, OSX in the title before actually reading the article or viewing the video, no matter how lame."

      And the anti-Apple imbeciles WILL post an ignorant comment that has "Mac," "Jobs," or "OS X" in the title before actually reading the article or viewing the video, no matter how interesting or beneficial.
    • rickcarson, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I watched it all the way through. And it still says 26 views, even if I refresh the page.

      Sounds like google's is at fault, not digg.

      I couldn't get the zoom to work, or dragging the url onto the dock.

      Is dragging urls onto the dock a new feature in Leopard?

      For zoom, I turned on zooming under accessibility in system preferences, and was able to use command-option-equals to make the _text_ on the web page bigger, but not the image of the video... is that another Leopardism, or am I just doing it wrong?

      I also liked the way he was dragging the image/screen around while zoomed... but again couldn't duplicate it.
    • HalBSure, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Still at 26. I guess no one has viewed it in the last 2 hours, including me.

      I could have sworn I watched it but Google says I didn't. Since they know everything about me, I guess I imagined it.
    • polyphonic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i haven't watched the video all the way through or even clicked on the link but it's still (probably) at 26 views.
    • mark1372, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Who says you have to watch it to digg it? Can't someone think, "some guy put work into putting together a demo to show people who don't know Macs what they look and feel like...good idea," and digg it? That kind of video would be evry useful for someone considering the "switch."
    • jmain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Zoom is in 10.4.8 hit Control and use the scroll wheel.
      URL to Dock has been in since Panther maybe earlier. Only works with Cocoa based browsers (Safari, Camino etc)
    • dan00b, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2[quote]
      I couldn't get the zoom to work, or dragging the url onto the dock.

      Is dragging urls onto the dock a new feature in Leopard?

      For zoom, I turned on zooming under accessibility in system preferences, and was able to use command-option-equals to make the _text_ on the web page bigger, but not the image of the video... is that another Leopardism, or am I just doing it wrong?

      [/quote]

      The Zoom needs to be enabled in your mouse preferences, where you tell it to zoom when you hold down the control key and scroll. It's a new feature of 10.4.8 that noone mentioned at apple.

      Drag the ICON to the taskbar, not the URL. Kinda hard to tell what exactly it is in the vid
  • lucid270, on 10/12/2007, -16/+2(somehow I managed a double post and cannot delete, digg down)
  • subrat78, on 10/12/2007, -18/+045454545454
  • subrat78, on 10/12/2007, -24/+04646464+45+45+6+56+56+
    6656456+45+4+3
    646456+45+45+45+45
  • jonesyhahaha, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17great idea for anyone wanting to get into Mac.
    • ImTheDarkcyde, on 10/12/2007, -23/+8OS X

      sorry, people confusing Macs and OS X is a pet peeve of mine
    • Snakedal337, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Until I can get OS X with my PC (Yes confusing a Mac with a PC is a personal pet peeve /me rolls eyes) i'll continue to call the OS "Mac", because your talking about the same ***** product, just from different aspects
    • djKianoosh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3snakedal, you sure can have OS X on your PC now. osx runs on intels. i've tried it. it runs on a lot of intel hardware. you might just want to search for something like dual boot mac os x. cheers, :)
    • njren78, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"OS X

      sorry, people confusing Macs and OS X is a pet peeve of mine"

      "Mac" is the term that most people know. Go with it. I assure you that Apple would prefer that people call the computers "Macs", whether they refer to the OS or the hardware. It's a more powerful brand identifier, and will always be. They are going to keep doing it. OS X isn't known by any users who don't own a Mac, except for a few who may be educated Windows users and have read about it or used it before.
  • vampireblood, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4"I live in Australia and I don't think Apple is any less present than the likes of USA & Europe... sure we don't have official Apple stores, but we've got a bunch of dedicated mac resellers."

    This is exactly right. Mac in Australia HAS almost no market share which creates a huge problem.
    • kapitalist, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I must say I do not see what the ”huge problem” is with there not being a lot of mac users in Australia. I assume that almost all software written for the English-speaking mac-community is adaptable in Australia, and as far as widgets with Australian TV (and such things) goes I can’t see that there would be fewer widget-creators in Australia than in Sweden and I’ve always had my needs covered :)

      Saying that there’s a problem using a Mac in Australia because of the small market-share is to think too little of the macs ability to adapt and interact in a pc-environment.
    • rickcarson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Apparently there are quite a few Mac indie developers.

      But there are stuff all IT jobs advertised with Macs other than network admins.

      Compare: searching Seek.com.au for OSX in Sydney: 15 jobs
      searching Seek for Java in Sydney: 1198 jobs

      That is quite a big difference.
    • r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Compare: searching Seek.com.au for OSX in Sydney: 15 jobs
      searching Seek for Java in Sydney: 1198 jobs"

      Comparing an OS job to a programming job, that's not quite right. And besides if it's a Java job, you can develop on OS X.

      Probably less Windows Admin jobs than Java developers too, because Java is cross-platform.
  • mechanisma22, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6I just tried Suse 10 and its almost as smooth as OS X. Of course I was running Suse with parallels for OS X on my Macbook. Nice demo video there should be more of them for linux and vista whenever its released.
    • MackPrime, on 10/12/2007, -18/+5Vista won't need one.
    • njren78, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2"Vista won't need one."

      Why, because the OS is going to be so easy to use for the average PC user that it won't require any training? That's BS, regardless of ANY OS. Your attempt to bash the Mac by stating that Vista is so damn great falls a bit short. Vista will require training for most end-users, especially in an office environment. All major OS updates require this. It has been debated that Microsoft sacrificed end-user ease of use, when it comes to modifying settings, in favor of administrator ease of use. That alone will require adjustment.
    • r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@MackPrime

      Being a veteran Windows developer/user, I think Vista will need one for 90% of its user base. There are so many things that have changed drastically, especially when it comes to configuration, and even the "explorer" interface. It took me long enough to find out how to turn the menus back on while keeping the Aero/Aeroglass view. And the new nextwork settings are diabolical.
    • Joey67, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I agree about the new network settings... if you're just set up with DHCP and a wired connection... your fine... but the manual set up and configuration for WAP wireless is totally convoluted.
  • swOhio, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7This was definitely an informative, quality video.

    Macs are great hardware and OSX is good software, though it's just not for me. I'm not a bells and whistles kind of guy. I like static, simple, and straightforward things on my computer. I have a whopping 5 things on my desktop icons and I use the "classic" view of windows. You can imagine how OSX would drive me nuts if I thought XP is too flashy for me.

    One last thing, there is NO WAY I could ever call a link to a program something other than a shortcut.
    • r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Call it a shortcut, it's the way it operates that's different, not just the name.
    • C2H5OH, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Bet you don't know the difference between shortcut and alias (we call it link in UNIX world). If you watch the video, you'll notice alias (or link) will remain valid even if you move the original file around your file system. That's not true for Windows shortcut (or UNIX symbolic link).

      I was also using Windows classic (and Linux), but OS X is not just shinny. It just works, and you can disable all the shinny things if you don't like it.
  • eatmytag, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Is it possible to get a "high quality" version?
    • volcompimp, on 10/12/2007, -18/+3Not if it's made with Final Cut Pro (or a Mac for that matter).
    • bking, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Guess that explains all the music videos, commercials, tv shows and feature films made on Final Cut Pro. They're all secretly iPod size, but the viewers are just too dumb to notice.
    • njren78, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2"Not if it's made with Final Cut Pro (or a Mac for that matter)."

      Complete moron. Go castrate yourself. No breeding for you.
    • r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"Not if it's made with Final Cut Pro (or a Mac for that matter)."

      That's an utterly retarded statement. Lord of the Rings and many other films are digitally edited on Macs, and as they can output 1080p video from those projects where the hell did you come out with that crap.

      Quite a lot of TV series appear to be cut on Macs too, judging by some of the effects and titling used.
    • seanadb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yes ,a high quality version is freely available. E-mail me (my e-mail is at the end of the video) for a higher quality version. I didn't want to post the link to my site, as my bandwidth may have been exceeded shortly thereafter.

      Talk to you soon.

      - Sean
  • gibler, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25Wow OS X is really pixellated
    • UncleCrapper, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Yeah, the video quality is crap. What was it captured at, 320 x 200? Informative, but It's difficult to see the points he is trying to make at times.
    • mark1372, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Google Video defaults to a zoomed size. Use the little down-arrow at the bottom of the video to view in original size.
  • paroxsitic, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5I've never used a mac and I found this pretty helpful. However, I know of applications that can do the same things for windows. I constantly lurk around the comments of mac vs windows arguments, but I still haven't came across good enough reasons to switch from windows that outweighs the reasons to stay.
    • mark1372, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I used to think the same thing (former Mac basher) -- until I got a Mac and started using it. Once you get the hang of it, you understand.
    • jsp317, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i concur
  • dominic2, on 10/12/2007, -11/+12We're now on 290 diggs and still only 26 views. I'm a mac fan (have a powerbook) but come on guys this video was BORING.
    Points to consider:
    1. When introducing a newbie to a mac you wouldn't open the system preferences in the first five seconds!
    2. You do not need 4 minutes to introduce the dock! Points like "you can make it bigger and smaller" are not crucial.
    3. There should be much less talking and more text on the screen. Much of the video is just listening to the guy and watching nothing happening on the screen.
    4. (Point made by Kroc Camen on Google video comments) An intro should use the default workspace, not his own personalized workspace with his own dock etc.
    28 minutes! Waste of time.
    • maxxin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Stop whining and make your own bloody demo if you dislike it so much.
    • eatmytag, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I watched the whole thing. I think google's view counter is broken.
    • hurfydurfur, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Boring = pace. Pacing in filmmaking is a real b*tch aint it? It's pretty hard to narrate quickly on a technical video, especially if you don't have a script.
  • kolop1, on 10/12/2007, -10/+14 I must be in the minority, I use to be a Mac user and I switched a while ago. I keep hearing once you go Mac you never go back, but to be honest I used a Mac for quite a few years, and to be honest I like Windows more.
    • njren78, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Did you ever use OS X? OS 9 and before hardly compare.
      If not, it's hard to understand why you would have switched back, but, to each his/her own.
  • zugu, on 10/12/2007, -17/+7Well, if this operating system is so wonderful and stable and *****, why doesn't Mr. Jobs make it available for PCs, too?

    I prefer to stick to whatever OS that is not bound to some utterly expensive hardware.

    And what's with the attitude? Digg Mac fanbois are starting to annoy me, considering that 30% of the front page has stories with "mac", "osx", "apple" & ***** in their titles.

    How is Apple more evil than Microsoft? MS is forcing their OS onto everyone, but given MS' market share, Apple would force their hardware, too.

    So GTFO with that flashy, funky, glossy, even-uglier-than-KDE-and-Vista operating system.
    • PeppermintPig, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Funny, nobody forced you to look at this thread... Fact of life: Some Digg articles are about OSX and Macs and some are about PC's, Linux, and Windows.

      It's nice to see someone took the time to post an informative video. Probably with the intent to help others.
    • zugu, on 10/12/2007, -13/+4Would you please spare me of this 'democratic' *****? Zealots are zealots, whatever you want them to look like. And it's obvious that the Technology front page is being spammed with Apple stories.
    • dan00b, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5*****.

      Go build me a PC with exactly the same features as the iMac 24" for less. Using legal parts, not the ***** your friend pulls off the back of a truck.

      Pay attention to the actual prices of PC hardware before bashing macs, dickwad
    • njren78, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"Would you please spare me of this 'democratic' *****? Zealots are zealots, whatever you want them to look like. And it's obvious that the Technology front page is being spammed with Apple stories."

      Maybe, instead of whining like a child, you could post a few PC stories. Apple is in the news quite a lot, but that's not to say that Windows and Microsoft aren't. Go find the stories that interest you and post them. Encourage others to do the same. Otherwise, stop your crying and act like an adult, even if you are 16.
  • darylsws, on 10/12/2007, -9/+5Have to agree completely with kolop1, I used a G5 at work for a few years and whilst I didn't have any real issues with it, I have to say it was nowhere nearly as productive as when I switched jobs (and OS). Sure the box was shiny and pretty...but looks aren't everything!!

    Having said that the upcoming release of Vista for me signals Microsofts death nell so I'll be sticking with XP for the forseeable future...it still amazes me that the only MS competition is Linux though...
    • kolop1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6MS has to much market share for Vista to be the death dell of Microsoft. Companies that use Xp, will just switch to Vista in the future.

      Remember if you are a company with thousands of Winds based PCs it would be way to much own time to switch over another OS.
    • darylsws, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Fair point Kolop1 - but there are some companies out there switching to Linux....
    • fjc8, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Name 'em. Name a single large company moving all significant end user desktops to an OS other than Windows.
    • darylsws, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2ok, so I couldn't name a Company but would the Brazilian Government do?
    • njren78, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3First of all, you used OS X for a short period of time. How can you say it was less productive for you, when you used it for a day? How can you make that decision based on a few hours of use. Do you think you would be as productive on XP if you had switched from Mac to Windows for a few hours, having never used Windows before? I doubt it, but maybe you are a genius, and the rest of the Mac users who switched from Windows to Mac because it IS more productive for us, are just idiots.

      Regarding your other comment about Linux being the only competitor...how can you possibly make this statement. Wait...I know...you use Linux, so you are familiar with it. I'm sure that's it, isn't it? If you weren't, you'd complain that it's not as productive as Windows, too.

      You've just made two completely biased statements. I come from the PC side of things, and I find the Mac to be a more productive environment for me. I have limited use of Linux under my belt, so I will not trash that OS by saying that when I boot my Linux laptop and use it, it seems less productive an environment than Windows and Mac (which it is, but it's because I don't use it often enough).
  • darylsws, on 10/12/2007, -14/+5lol zugu - well said!! I too am sick and tired of the Mac-centric front page news items!!

    Is there anyway to filter out these completely irreliveant news stories????
    • iamichi, on 11/12/2008, -3/+11"Add or Remove Topics" on the left... But then you lose touch with the Apple fanboys.... ;-)
    • darylsws, on 10/12/2007, -12/+5Cheers for that Iridescence! (Can't WAIT to lose touch with them!)
    • njren78, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2They must be relevant to someone. The users are digging them. Go digg stories that interest you. If enough others agree, they will be promoted to the front page. Welcome to digg, you fool.
  • Kuyei, on 10/12/2007, -13/+2OS X plagiarisms of Windows

    Dock = Quicklaunch with a magnify ability and tray.
    Alt+Tab

    Windows plagiarisms of Apple

    Almost the entire GUI

    Application plagiarism of OS X for Windows XP

    Winplosion = Expose
    Winroll = minimize
    Rklauncher = Dock
    Y'z Shadow = for that impressive mac stylish shadow
    UberIcon = makes the icon expand and transparent when you double click on it

    Widgets
    Konfabulator made one of the first widget programs
    Apple took the idea (Think the same) for Dashboard
    Yahoo bought out Konfabulator for Yahoo widgets. (Think like MS)
    Overall Dashboard and Yahoo Widgets eat memory. Talk about pointless stuff you can throw up on Google Personalized Homepage for a lot less ram use.

    OS-X easy and fun.
    Parallels fast and quick Windows XP (at 1/4 the speed and no 3D).
    Dual Boot is awesome.

    Ability to run anything you want or an equivalent without rebooting is priceless.
    • gsnedders, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Apple took Quicklaunch from Windows!? NeXTSTEP 0.9 had the dock back in 1989 (and Apple bought NeXT, and OS X is based on NeXTSTEP).
    • iamichi, on 11/12/2008, -0/+9Man, all modern OSes borrow ideas from each other. All OSes need a "Control Panel", so who came up with that idea, is that plagiarism or just a good idea to put one in your OS? If you want to talk about copying then look at Zune, but then Apple are making a media centre like Microsoft's right? Didn't Apple always say Windows copied them by having Windows, but they just copied that from Xerox? It all goes around. They're all businesses with products to sell, so they copy each other's ideas.
  • Kuyei, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Anyways for those who love the mac desktop but can't live without Windows usability.
    Look up flyakite osx or aqua osx, Those are the 2 best OS-X schemes that I have seen. There are a bunch of Expose clones on the market. I use Winplosion. I use nView desktop for multiple desktops, but you can use one of Microsoft's power toys. While you are at Power Toys, i recommend cleartype and the better alt tab program.
  • bsdbudha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5for the guy who asked about a linux demo, here is one from suse that shows it off:

    http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/
    click "View Demo"
  • behemothaur, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I feel significantly dumber for reading this thread.
    • valona, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Me no how feel u too man. Me was phd stewdent, now me feel like watching daytime tv after a reedin this tred
  • Gideon, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8I was a windows user for most part of my life (I ventured into he forest of Linux once and again) but I always came back to Windows. I have almost never hated windows except when word froze and you had to reboot the entire system and lost all of my work, but to the point, I am now a mac user, I like the OS and I like the community that surrounds it.
    and I'm never going back willingly. But I believe that each of the Operating systems have their strengths. so we in the mac community, let them be, don't post stuff just to brag. they'll see the light sooner or later :)
    • volcompimp, on 10/12/2007, -12/+6So basicly you're too stupid to use Linux and Windows and there was nowhere else for you to go?
  • Crid, on 10/12/2007, -21/+14> I could have gone on and on
    > for 24 hours talking about
    > all the cool things

    I've spent the past two months learning final cut pro, and all my suspicions about Apple over the last decades have been vindicated.

    The screen-clearing F-key functions clash with Apple's own applications! This is insanity. "You can turn those off," we are told. Should we HAVE to?

    How is the dock a great advance in interface design? How is it good not to know precisely where you want to drag your mouse until you get in there, only to find as the target moves (!) that you've brought your mouse to the wrong place?

    Why must I do so many things with an Apple mouse by clicking tiny, skinny regions of the screen? Why can't I have the option of enlarging those areas, if I *must* use them? Are we here to work, or play video games?

    Let's say you wanted to copy and paste a file path. Nothing could be more useful, right? But you can't. Apple wants to do it Steve's way, and Steve insists that you go through an interaction-intensive set of rituals every time you want to deal with a file.

    Let's say you want to use column view. First of all, the computer won't remember that you want to do it that way, even if you tell it to. But there you are climbing a tree, and you get to a folder with long filenames, and they're truncated. All you want to do is read the whole thing, right? So OK, you pick the mouse to drag the border and reveal the column, but nothing happens. You have to take your eye and mouse down to a tiny designated area of the border (at the bottom, away from the filenames) to enlarge the window, then reset your mouse to wherever you wanted it anyway. Will the computer remember these settings next time you get into this, or any other folder? What do you think?

    Why can't I acknowledge the horrid "thump" message of a bad mouse selection by tapping the Esc key? My mouse is obviously working in a specific area of the screen, so I don't want to lose my place, and my left hand is obviously free anyway. But no: I must do more video gaming by acknowledging the dialog with the mouse, or I must take my right hand off the mouse to tap the Enter key to close the dialog, and it's going to keep thumping until I get it right.

    Why in the name of God can't I delete a file that I've selected with one more keystroke? The "delete" key would be good for this! But no, you need two hands, because it's two keys to delete a file that you've already selected...

    ,,,But that's not all! The key combination is not the Shift key and "delete", or the option key and "delete", or the control key and anything. It's the command key and backspace. Backspace! Who knew? By the way, the command key doesn't say "command" on it, but it's also known as the "Apple" key... But it doesn't have an Apple on it either, only an abstract graphic. You're just supposed to know. And understand that because they're precious about it, you have to use their squiggly design key for common functions (copy/cut/paste) that are executed with nearby keys in industry standards that predate Microsoft.

    This strikes Apple people as intuitive. Apple people are animals. So they'll say "I usually just use the mouse," and then you're back to the inefficiencies described at the top.

    The computer is constantly getting in the way and demanding attention. Apple is Scientology, and Jobs is L. Ron Hubbard; it's his way or the highway.

    Next time someone tells you about the magnificent interface, know this in your heart: It's a stinking, pathetic lie. I'm embarrassed for the guy who produced this video.
    • Snakedal337, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6Ehhh....

      I'll just reply with: The inability to press del to remove a file pisses me off too.
    • Moonpig, on 10/12/2007, -11/+6Wow, you're very upset aren't you, did Steve Jobs shoot your puppy?
    • ScottAG, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5Holy cow. What a rant. My eyes started glazing over half way through. Why not move a reply like this to your own blog and let it waste away there instead of taking up space here?
    • Crid, on 10/12/2007, -12/+8> did Steve Jobs shoot your puppy?

      No, something far worse: He's WASTED MY TIME.
    • mark1372, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12What's amazing is that almost every one of your points is wrong and that OS X *does* do what you are claiming it doesn't, so that two months you've spent learning things is clearly not enough...although it should have been. And by the way, that "abstract graphic" on the Apple key is an Apple logo, so I don't know why you find it so hard, then, to find the Apple key.
    • bking, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Pretty sure the two keys next to my space bar do in fact have little graphics of apples on them, and my key next to the = key says "delete." If you need two hands to hit both of those at the same time, please treat us with the story of how you lost four of the fingers on your right hand to a horrible run-in with a bear, and tell us how difficult it is for you to hold down the shift key for capital letters. It would make everybody pity you just a little more.
    • jkoke, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Crid,
      You have some serious anger management issues. To address a couple of your points...

      The ESC key will cancel out of any dialog box that has a "cancel" option

      To delete a file in the Finder, right click and select "Move to Trash" -- that's zero keystrokes

      The Command Key has a cloverleaf AND an Apple logo on it (at least on every Apple keyboard I've used)

      I can't imagine any reason you'd need to "copy and paste a file path" in OS X or Windows. I would love to hear how that makes you more productive.

      You do make 2 valid points. It is annoying that the Finder doesn't remember column widths in column view, and the Exposé function keys do conflict with some application function keys. Those are sacrifices I can live with. Windows doesn't even have a column view.
    • JackAxe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Holy pooo, are you serious. If you've been using a Mac for two months, then I'm Tom Cruise.
    • WATYF, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@jkoke

      Windows does indeed have a column view. It's called "Details".

      And I also agree about the non-keystroke, mouse-intensive workflow. I should be able to arrow (keystroke) around a folder and delete (another keystroke) files. Keystrokes are faster, once you get to know them. I just used my brother's Mac recently and it drove me nuts just trying to delete files because I would always instinctively hit the Delete key ("instinctively", because it's faster, not instincitvely "just because that's how I've always done it).

      WATYF
    • Crid, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1> You have some serious anger
      > management issues.

      20 Years of putting up with smartass Apple fanboys does that to a guy.

      > The ESC key will cancel out of any dialog
      > box that has a "cancel" option

      Most don't! That's the point.

      > that's zero keystrokes

      Exactly! That's "I usually just use the mouse...."

      > on every Apple keyboard I've used

      Turns out I'm using a specialized keyboard. But I still wonder why they had to call it "command", what the squiggly line is about, why they had to remap the control key functions, and why they had to add an "option" key.

      > I can't imagine any reason you'd need
      > to "copy and paste a file path"

      Apple people are not very imaginative about the way people work. I am so GD tired of tunneling through dialogs.

      > I would love to hear how that makes
      > you more productive.

      Exactly! It's Scientology, babe. Apple users almost never change their system fonts or screen colors, either. There's this little robot voice: "Steve Jobs has anticipated my every need, and I will operate in the proscribed manner without deviation."

      > Windows doesn't even have a column view.

      It does, and I use it exclusively. It's called details. If I was on a PC, I'd tell you the three keystrokes used to select it.
    • Crid, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1I'm *still* steamed about this!

      > I can't imagine any reason you'd need to
      > "copy and paste a file path...

      I imagine Steve Jobs gently patting my scalp: "Don't you worry about what directory you're in, sweetheart... We'll take care of everything."
    • r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Windows does indeed have a column view. It's called "Details"."

      That's not the column view he's talking about though. He's talking about the one where you traverse down the directory and can jump back to ANY level previously. Each level shows you EVERY file in that directory (not just directories like Explorer).
    • rtini, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You can move a file to the trash by hitting command-delete. The command key is the one with the Apple logo on it. Much, much faster than using the mouse.

      Keyboard shortcuts rock. My favorites:
      command-shift-a -- Applications folder
      command-shift-h -- home folder
      command-shift-u -- Utilities folder
      command-up_arrow -- navigate up out of the current directory
      command-down_arrow -- navigate down into the selected directory, or launch the selected application
      command-shift-option-delete -- empty the trash without any confirmation dialog
      command-d -- duplicate the selected file or folder
      command-z -- undo the last thing you did in the Finder (like move, copy or change the name of a file or folder)
  • D4r7h3v1l, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6I recently bought a Macbook. I don't see the big deal about OS X. Finder is just plain terrible. I like having a centralized place to access programs in Windows. OS X's only advantage, as far as I can tell, is that it doesn't get viruses or malware (not that I have ever gotten those on Windows in the last few years). The rest is just eye candy and doesn't make it a "better" operating system.
    • bking, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Try the "Applications" folder.
    • smeager, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Or better yet drag your Applications folder to your dock and either right-click or command-click on it and you effectively have and applications list there for you.
    • njren78, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Or better yet drag your Applications folder to your dock and either right-click or command-click on it and you effectively have and applications list there for you."

      He "recently bought a MacBook", so he hasn't bothered to learn how to use the OS yet. There is more than one way to do what he wants, but the method you posted is exactly what I use. I also use QuickSilver for launching applications, but, if I forget the name of one of them, the Applications folder in my Dock is better than the "All Programs" folder in the Windows Start Menu, in my opinion.

      Also, he could simply drag aliases all his favorite applications into another folder and hide that folder somewhere on his computer. Then, he can drag it to the Dock, and only see the apps in a pop-up menu that he wants to see.

      But, he just bought his shiny new computer. Give him a few months to learn how to use it, as we all needed this. And let's hope that he refrains from bashing until he can actually say that he's used his computer and understands how it works.
    • D4r7h3v1l, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1To be clear, I wasn't bashing. I did indeed leave out the word "yet". I still prefer the "feel" of Windows, but they might also have to do with the fact that it is my first laptop and I need to get used to that.
  • vaxguru, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Wow, that was quite informative. Well paced and good detail. Some of the features on OSX really seem to make life a lot easier. Got to start saving up for a Macbook =P
  • chedabob, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Wow, really good video. Ignore all the haters that got buried down, you did a great job. You made me want a mac even more :(. Its good that you showed some of the newcomers what expose is like. I always wondered what it was, never really got much time in the apple store, cos everybody gets bored cos we cant figure it out :P

    Good job man.
  • DrivinWest, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Submitter: Thanks for putting this together. I've been using OS X for over a year but I still learned a thing or two from your demo.
  • volcompimp, on 10/12/2007, -14/+8I've got Windows and I've got Linux... Why would I want a piece of ***** that tries to be like both but fails horribly?
    • Donza, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8I have OS X and I have Linux, so why the heck would I switch to virus/spy ware/ad ware/ infected, resource hogging gaming platform called Windows?
    • wozley, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Gaming?
    • Donza, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Well who would actually do some work with Windows? It's for teenagers to play games and host spam bots. You spent half of your time troubleshooting, patching and re patching this Swiss cheese that some mistake as an operating system. In today's business you can't afford that, as the famous cliché goes: time is money.
    • wozley, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Hardly. I get work done much faster on a Windows system. I tend to play around more on Macs. And to me that seems to be the way they are advertised. Unless you're steep into video design, photography, or maybe even recording, there's no point in working on a Mac, at least in my opinion. Window units are cheaper, efficient, and upgradable. Plus there's a long list of software available out there for it.

      Viruses and spyware? I've used Windows for years and have not once had a single virus. I've had very little spyware, but nothing a free spyware remover couldn't clean out. Windows are very secure machines, if you know how to use them. I know we hear about critical updates coming out allll the time, but you have to keep in mine, Windows pretty much has all the guns pointed at it.

      And so far as PC's blowing PSU's and having other numerous problems, I seem to remember hearing about random shutdowns and even mooing for the Macs. Most PC problems stem from user error, or ID10T errors. I know, I'm in IT. But I don't think I've ever ordered a pre-made PC that moo'd.

      I couldn't live without PC gaming. Teenagers aren't the only ones playing video games. And not the only ones using Windows. Majority of big businesses use Windows. It seems to me to be the other way around. Teenager's are the ones buying up all the MacBooks.

      But if you're happy with your Mac, I don't mind that. Have fun surfing the web and playing Breakout and such.
    • njren78, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Actually...
      I think you'll find, if you research things, that Windows attempts to look and act like OS X (Vista is the latest proof of that), and that Linux attempts to copy Windows, when it comes to KDE and Gnome.

      I'm sure you'll go ahead and research this now that I've told you how it really is. I'm also sure that you have used OS X on a Mac for more than a day or two, else you certainly wouldn't have started basing the Mac OS without first being informed.

      And, while we are on this topic...
      If OS X attempts to copy Windows and Linux, why do I get all the cool features in OS X years before they appear in Windows. Vista will deliver more features to me...but I've been using them on my Mac for the last two years, since I switched. So I'm supposed to go back now to use version 1 of Microsoft's features when I'm on versions 2, 3, and 4, in many cases, on my Mac. That's cute.
    • wozley, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I like how you point your resources. Pretty much none of what you said contradicts what I said. Windows is still a majority preference for business and other workings aside from the above things I've mentioned.

      Yes Windows tries to copy Mac OS X. Maybe to look hip. But to be honest, many of the things they're copying, especially the whole sleek look thing, dosen't help Windows at all. And to be fair, Mac OS X has actually copied Linux in most respects. But that's business. It's called competition. And without it, we'd get no innovation.

      Now would you stop the Window's bashing already? Mac isn't the answer to every damn thing. Despite what your "research" told you.
    • njren78, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"I like how you point your resources. Pretty much none of what you said contradicts what I said. Windows is still a majority preference for business and other workings aside from the above things I've mentioned."

      What did that have to do with your original comment, to which I replied, about the Mac copying Windows. And...If you talk to many system admins, you'll find that your use of the term "preference" is giving Microsoft a lot of credit. They are preferred because they are already installed in most companies. They are not preferred because they sell the "best" operating system. Many companies would prefer to spend less time troubleshooting and OS and worrying about spyware and virus infestations. The Mac OS could save them quite a lot of money, in fact, and it has been pointed out (though not in any of the comments on this article) that the Mac OS tends to require less administration time, which means less cost, but that's another argument, and has nothing to do with your original comment or with my original response to your comment.

      "Yes Windows tries to copy Mac OS X. Maybe to look hip. But to be honest, many of the things they're copying, especially the whole sleek look thing, dosen't help Windows at all. And to be fair, Mac OS X has actually copied Linux in most respects. But that's business. It's called competition. And without it, we'd get no innovation."

      It's more than the "hip" features that Microsoft is copying. You amaze me with the entire paragraph above. In your first comment, you bash the Mac OS because it copies Windows. Here, you agree that you were wrong, and it's the other way around, and you defend Microsoft for stealing ideas. And, so we are clear, I agree with your comments above regarding innovation. My original comments were in response to you bashing Apple for stealing from Microsoft, which tends to be less the case - it's usually the other way around. I didn't say that I hated Microsoft for stealing. My comment was more about the fact that they steal ideas too late, and wait forever to implement them. I have features now that Vista users are going to just be getting, and they have gone through years of tweaking. I can also expect more features every 18 months from Apple. How long has it been since Microsoft has provided my an update for the computer I'm using right now to write this? Five years?

      "Now would you stop the Window's bashing already? Mac isn't the answer to every damn thing. Despite what your "research" told you."

      Not sure what research you are talking about. I don't remember citing any. My comments are simply common knowledge to anyone who uses both a Mac and a Windows computer. Windows users may not know about the fact that the features of the Mac OS are borrowed by Microsoft years after being implemented on the Mac platform, but those of us who are switchers and dual-users do know this. You obviously didn't.

      I also have no idea what you are talking about when you say that the Mac isn't good for "every darn thing". I never said that it was. Some people actually require Windows in order to do their jobs. That's the nature of the beast.

      So, to recap:
      You turned the argument around, after bashing Apple for stealing, agreed with me that most of the stealing comes from Redmond, and then defended Microsoft for the very thing you originally trashed Apple for doing (again, agreeing that Microsoft is the theif here, not typically Apple). Then, you agreed with me (although you didn't know it) that stealing features is good, and drives innovation. And, because you think I bash Microsoft, I'll end this by bashing Apple and say that, if Leopard is released without a "cut" command added to the Finder, I'm going to scream and start referring to the Finder as "garbage". How's that? Now that you changed all your positions, we seem to agree. :-)
  • corwinmyers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Great Demo! Don't use google next time i can barely see it!
  • Rapax, on 10/12/2007, -10/+7Hmm, well that was a disappointment. I'll be getting a new Mac next week, and I was kinda expecting it to be a lot slicker. There's nothing in that video that you don't get with KDE and SuSE Linux, except the cheap plastic look.
    So is that really all OSX is? A Fisher-Price Version of KDE with annoying animations? I hope not, or that Mac might be going right back in a while.
    • drlha, on 10/12/2007, -7/+7I'm willing to bet you're not getting a Mac, given your silly Linux fanboy comments here.
    • Rapax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@drlha

      Actually, I am. I've changed jobs, and the new place put me before the choice Windows or Mac. Obviously, my first choice would have been Linux, but from those two I'll chose Mac any day.
    • jocknerd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I've been using Linux since 1999. I've been using OS X since 2002. Don't even try to compare KDE to OS X. If you want to have a 1000 ways to configure your desktop, then KDE is the way to go. If you just want everything to work right, without any effort, then OS X is the way to go. Believe me, as a user of both, OS X is years ahead of anything on the desktop.
  • oliveroms, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I tried Mac OS X 10.4.8 not to long ago on a xeon (without opengl unfortunatly).

    I found everything to be quite intuative, but i've been a long time Linux user (have it on my desktop) so I might be quite to knowlegable in the respect.

    Anyway, this video ...., what was the intended target audiance? Computer literate people? Or Joe average, cause, Joe average would have had no idea what you where trying to show us. I figured half of it cause as I mentioned, I was playing around with it just last week, but assuming it was for the average user, then concider re-doing this little film.

    You can't start explaining how to setup a dock, before explaining what it is and what it does, more clearly anyhow. And the configuration part of the dock ... who cares. Someone new to Mac OS X won't right away. And if you do want to show/explain this, do it via the configuration panel in a 'configuration' section.

    And there where more things like that, chaotic almost. I stopped watching after installing programs because of this.

    A for effort though, sorry if I seemed to offensive or harsh.
  • thatgirlismine, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Arghh!!! It's "Mac OS X". Get it straight, Canada!
    • CaptainMordecai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4What do you mean?! Its Mac OS X as in Mac OS Ten (X being the roman numeral for 10), not Mac OS (e)X.
    • njren78, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2OMG. Are you a Mac user? It's "oh ess ten", not "oh ess ecks". I'll bet you feel foolish now for bashing the Canadian, don't you. C'mon...you know you do. You can admit it.
    • thatgirlismine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I was refering to the title of the article. "MacOS X". That is wrong. It is "Mac OS X". Way to be a couple of assholes..
  • YossarianDent, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4"I could have gone on and on for 24 hours talking about all the cool things..."

    You could have gone for 24 hours on that first "sentence" of your summary, couldn't you? After reading that monstrosity, I have no desire to listen to you talk.
  • wozley, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Man I want OS X bad. Too jittery to upgrade my old iMac. I've read too many horror stories/rumors.
  • substrom, on 10/12/2007, -12/+3only good thing about macs are the bright colours.....you can see the idiots coming a mile away, thus giving you time to avoid them and their utterly boring drivel about steve jobs.
    "steve jobs said this and that huh huh huh"

    ***** morons
    • SVPirate, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12"only good thing about macs are the bright colours....." all Apple's products are white, black or silver. They stopped making coloured machines about 4 years ago. Wake up and welcome to the 21st century.

      If you want to take that attitude I can spot a PC moron a mile off from all the frickin' LED Fans and Cold Cathodes he's got hanging off the inside of his case, and the glowing bubble tubes on the front, oh, and not forgetting the plume of smoke coming out of the 14th PSU they've blown up this year... but he still hasn't worked out why...
    • zongamin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!
    • njren78, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I never talk about Steve Jobs. In fact, I probably agree with you that he gets a little too much attention, when it could be focused more on the product. I think you are a moron. Most Mac users never utter Jobs' name. Many have no idea who he is. It's not like the computer ships with a letter from him thanking them for their choice to purchase a Mac.

      I understand that you thought your comment was a clever way to bash Mac fanboys, and I suppose they need bashing as much as Windows fanboys (like yourself) do. Here's one for you: Mac users tend to know both Windows and Mac fairly well. Windows users tend to know Windows...and that's it. So, fanboy, settle into your ignorance for the long haul, because it's going to follow you around the rest of your life. :)
    • combatchuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm a Mac fan. I like the product. I think Jobs is an egocentric jerk, and the way Apple has historically treated its user base is downright horrible. I don't wait with baited breath for every Apple event and product announcement, and I think the "Switch" ads were terrible. No, the G4 wasn't a supercomputer, and the G5 wasn't the first 64-bit desktop computer available. Having said that, I think the Mac as a product has some of the highest quality from start to finish that I've ever seen in a computer. (I've never used an iPod. I still have a CD player in my car, and I like to talk with people when I'm walking around.)

      I convinced my parents to get themselves a Mac mini a while back, and while it was probably the worst time for them to buy it, I couldn't be happier. When they were using a Windows computer, I was fixing the thing every other day. I spent more time on their computer fixing things than I care to remember. Now that they have the Mac, the *only* complaint I've heard is that Yahoo doesn't have voice. No viruses, no spyware, that's all obvious. I think, however, that the most glowing tribute to the ease of use of the Mac is that my dad, who is a tech-phobe in every sense of the word (he doesn't even like LED displays on car radios), has never asked me "how do I do this?"
  • robmarcer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Interesting video. I'm a Windows user but I am seriously considering buying a Mac for my next work laptop so I can use both Windows and OSX as and when I want to.

    I have to say that the only thing that I cared about in that whole video was spotlight; this seems to be an area where Mac is leaving XP & Vista in the dust. Other than that I was surprised at how little seems to actually be any better than Vista (RC2), in fact any better than XP. The dock seems like an overly complex version of quick launch and the only reason I'd need exposé is due to the apparent lack of a task bar which seems to do a much neater job of showing and allowing access to my open applications.

    I was expecting to see something that would blow me away but over all I think that for the work I do XP/Vista is better laid out and requires fewer clicks to do most tasks.

    I guess I won't know for sure until I use both OSs for an extended period of time.
    • jkoke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8rob,
      The task bar breaks down with >10 windows open at a time and for most programs only shows the program and not the windows open IN that programs (ie, Photoshop). For web and explorer windows (with grouping off), the names get truncated and all you have is a little icon to judge what's there, you have to hover your mouse over the button to know if that's the window you're looking for.

      Exposé instantly shows me all the windows that I have open and I find it quite easy to select the one I want. If I just want to browse through the windows in the current app, Exposé does that too. The dock shows me which applications are open, and if I click on an open app's icon, it brings all windows for that app to the front.

      Not saying you should switch to OS X if you're comfortable and more productive in Windows, but I just wanted to point out what I think is better about Exposé.
    • HighPressure, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Apple and Microsoft have become an old married couple. As the years go by, their bickering continues, yet each becomes more like the other. The other woman Linux jealously observes from a distance, occasionally boiling the odd bunny to make her presence known.

      In some apps like Photoshop or Dreamweaver you can easily forget what machine you are currently using.

      From the user's standpoint this competition has had beneficial results, resulting in a de facto standard with just a few annoying differences. The same could be said of the Ford-Chevy-Chrysler thing ... there's not a lot of brand identity once you are in the driver's seat.
    • WATYF, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0@jkoke...

      Anyone who has so many programs open that the taskbar is flooded (or starts to paginate) is not using their computer properly. What on earth would you need to be doing that you'd have 20+ different applications open? And if you were legitimately having this problem, then why would you turn grouping OFF? It's on by default... basically you're saying, "If you disable the built-in Windows feature that takes care of this problem THEN you'll have this problem". Well, duh. :o) And if you're talking about browsers, then you should be using Tabs if you want to have 20 windows open at the same time.

      As for Expose (if you're talking about what I think you're talking about)... I didn't like it at all... I recently had to use my brother's Mac while doing some audio work, and I had to have multiple windows open while finding some files. The content of the windows looked identical (a small Quicktime bar). And I would have to hop back and forth from each window to listen to each file and compare them. Well, with Expose, it was hell. First off, I have to hit a key just to see what's open... I can't just LOOK at a certain part of my screen (i.e. Taskbar)... I have to do something to get there. And once I had all the windows up, I couldn't tell which one was which (because they looked identical.. no descriptive text was displayed by default for a quick visual comparison). So I'd click on one and make a mental note of which one I clicked on (i.e. upper left). Then, once I listened to that file, I'd try another... so I'd hit F9 (or whatever button it was) again and see all my windows... so I'd pick a different window (bottom right or whatever) and it ended up being the SAME file I just listened to.... because Expose MOVES the window positions each time you select one.

      So with my taskbar, all my windows are in the same order... always... If I remember that my email is tab two and my forum is tab three and my Google search is tab four, then it doesn't matter if I can't read the descriptions (which I can anyways).. I'll always know which tab to click to get to a certain app. But not with Expose... every time I pick a window, the next time I open Expose, they're all shuffled around.

      ...and don't even get me started about the delete button. ;o)

      WATYF
    • jkoke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2WATYF,
      I'd spend some time refuting your argument, but since you only used your brother's Mac for some audio work, you really don't have much credibility. Use a Mac for a week and then come back. Or don't. I don't care.
    • WATYF, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@jkoke...

      What an incredible cop-out for refuting my argument. Tell me that Expose doesn't shuffle the window positions each time you view them. Tell me that there is a visible, on-screen display of all open windows available (without having to do anything to see it). Tell me that there is a readily visible, descriptive identifier for every window displayed in Expose (in case two or more windows appear identical).. and I'm not talking about having to mouseover each window, one at a time. Those were real world problems for me in the task I was trying to perform.

      And this was not the first time, by far, that I've used a Mac... that was the most recent, and I was relaying the problems I had in my most-recent use of a Mac.

      WATYF
  • Throlkim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6That was a very decent introduction to using a Mac, and unlike many tutorial videos I've seen, you have a good voice that doesn't make me want to strangle you.

    Bravo! :D
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