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- rickcarson, on 10/12/2007, -10/+123Utter bollocks.
What you fail to take into account is that Apple's current retail operating system (10.4 'Tiger') runs on old G3s.
That is lets count them: G3, G4, G5 and Intel, at least four 'generations' of processors alone. Then add in the mix of sound cards, video cards (the Mac Pro alone has options for video cards from 2 different manufacturers), hard drives...
Not to mention things like printers and cameras which have to work out of the box.
You did get one thing partly right though. If some device does not work on Windows, nobody blames Microsoft, it is the manufacturers fault. Whereas Apple does not have that luxury.
Let us see you run Vista on your 5 year old computer, and _then_ you can trash talk all you want.
Oh, and let us apply the other standard that Apple has. Their newer versions of OSX are widely reported to improve the performance of the older hardware. Will Vista run faster than XP on that 5 year old hardware? I don't think so. Will it run better than Windows NT or '98? I don't think so.
Come back when you have some real news, and not whinging and excuses. - rickcarson, on 10/12/2007, -40/+1115 minutes to install
23 hours to configure the sound card
7 hours to hook up the network printer
An OS that works out of the box: priceless. - EmileVictor, on 10/12/2007, -15/+66Just... stfu please.
- cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -4/+39I think he's trying to say "blog-spam".
- avatarpalin, on 10/12/2007, -25/+60@Retuobak
Vista is ready to use!?? Out of the box!???
I have been given the task of reviewing Vista because our company wants to see what Vista has for them. So i threw it on an IBM T30 which is the average machine we have in our field, and trailed it as both an SOE and a home user.. I was left with one statement that summed it up. "Seven years for this!?"
Sure the install was fine, about time they stopped the half way "What network do you want" Guff, but try to run any of the apps that are coming with this OS 'Out of the Box'. Windows Movie Maker, Windows DVD Maker, Screen Savers, hell pretty much anything wont run because the graphics card isn't good enough. What the? This hardware is faster than my powerbook G4 and I can make movies, make DVD's enjoy lovely 3d screen savers.. Hell even the porn is fantastic!! (ummm cough) but Microsoft still install them onto the machine 'out of the box'. What a freaking tease.
So yes, I am sorry Vista is nothing more than Windows XP and Windows Blinds could of cooked up.
Windows Vista... Shiny Box, disappointment on the inside...
Bah I'm just pissed because I am a web developer and I haven't drafted my "You Site is now broken due to IE7" Yet. - cypherz, on 10/12/2007, -11/+39I can tell you need some help with spelling. "Your" does not equal "You're."
xD - the_snitch, on 10/12/2007, -4/+30Surprisingly good overview, well done!
I can tell your canadian. mouse = moose. - cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -28/+52rickcarson:
It works "out of the box" because it supports about 20 (just a ball-park figure) different hardware configurations. Try supporting billions. And keep in mind Apple are behind drivers for hardware and whatnot; not some shady third party sound-card manufacturer you bought a card from for $2. That's why it works. - DirkVanAss, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27I'm new to macs, some was obvious, but i liked it and learned some stuff
- lucid270, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2626 views on google.. 108 diggs...
excellent.. lol - kunalthakar, on 10/12/2007, -6/+29This is exactly the attitude because of which Windows is still on top. If only people made decisions on what they want and not what everyone is doing...
- SVPirate, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23Be honsest, there aren't really *that* many PC video cards than don't use one of 2 chipsets, ATi or NVidia. Those that do are either so cheap they aren't worth owning (be honest a lot of ATi and NVidia cards are that bad too), specialist, or just plain wierd.
- gibler, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25Wow OS X is really pixellated
- chrisrad, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25ever consider it doesn't update live?
- chrisrad, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24I live in Australia and I don't think Apple is any less present than the likes of USA & Europe... sure we don't have official Apple stores, but we've got a bunch of dedicated mac resellers.
- KyleMistry, on 10/12/2007, -6/+25@zybch
"The mac fanboys WILL digg anything that has mac, jobs, OSX in the title before actually reading the article or viewing the video, no matter how lame."
And the anti-Apple imbeciles WILL post an ignorant comment that has "Mac," "Jobs," or "OS X" in the title before actually reading the article or viewing the video, no matter how interesting or beneficial. - rowanjl, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23Because people liked it, you do realize that this is Digg?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Demo's? Things that belong to Demo? Who is demo?
I think you mean Demos. - gsnedders, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Apple took Quicklaunch from Windows!? NeXTSTEP 0.9 had the dock back in 1989 (and Apple bought NeXT, and OS X is based on NeXTSTEP).
- jonesyhahaha, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17great idea for anyone wanting to get into Mac.
- kodek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13After reading your comment, I still don't like you.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16Why don't you make one and find out?
- vbsurfer, on 10/12/2007, -9/+20Watchu talking a boot?
- Gills, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Let's not dwell on semantics lest we be considered pettifoggers
- SVPirate, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12"only good thing about macs are the bright colours....." all Apple's products are white, black or silver. They stopped making coloured machines about 4 years ago. Wake up and welcome to the 21st century.
If you want to take that attitude I can spot a PC moron a mile off from all the frickin' LED Fans and Cold Cathodes he's got hanging off the inside of his case, and the glowing bubble tubes on the front, oh, and not forgetting the plume of smoke coming out of the 14th PSU they've blown up this year... but he still hasn't worked out why... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+18Did you read her name? Shame on you and your ignorance.
- klawz, on 10/12/2007, -9/+19@avatarpalin - from your statements, to your installing on a 4 year old machine, I conclude you're never used Vista, or you're trying to spread FUD - don't make Apple OSs look worse by talking down the "other guys" - make it look BETTER by talking about it's strengths. Vista isn't even out yet, and people like you love the fact that you can say unsubstantiated stuff about it, and the average person will believe you because they have nothing else to bounce your lies off of - well I've beta tested more OSs than you can probably dream of, and can tell you that Vista Beta, even running on a 4 year old machine, runs nothing like you've described. Scientific facts is all we need, not FUD.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I say Windows 10 p
- iamichi, on 11/12/2008, -0/+9Man, all modern OSes borrow ideas from each other. All OSes need a "Control Panel", so who came up with that idea, is that plagiarism or just a good idea to put one in your OS? If you want to talk about copying then look at Zune, but then Apple are making a media centre like Microsoft's right? Didn't Apple always say Windows copied them by having Windows, but they just copied that from Xerox? It all goes around. They're all businesses with products to sell, so they copy each other's ideas.
- bking, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Try the "Applications" folder.
- iamichi, on 11/12/2008, -3/+11"Add or Remove Topics" on the left... But then you lose touch with the Apple fanboys.... ;-)
- smeager, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Or better yet drag your Applications folder to your dock and either right-click or command-click on it and you effectively have and applications list there for you.
- maxxin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Stop whining and make your own bloody demo if you dislike it so much.
- mark1372, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12What's amazing is that almost every one of your points is wrong and that OS X *does* do what you are claiming it doesn't, so that two months you've spent learning things is clearly not enough...although it should have been. And by the way, that "abstract graphic" on the Apple key is an Apple logo, so I don't know why you find it so hard, then, to find the Apple key.
- robmarcer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Interesting video. I'm a Windows user but I am seriously considering buying a Mac for my next work laptop so I can use both Windows and OSX as and when I want to.
I have to say that the only thing that I cared about in that whole video was spotlight; this seems to be an area where Mac is leaving XP & Vista in the dust. Other than that I was surprised at how little seems to actually be any better than Vista (RC2), in fact any better than XP. The dock seems like an overly complex version of quick launch and the only reason I'd need exposé is due to the apparent lack of a task bar which seems to do a much neater job of showing and allowing access to my open applications.
I was expecting to see something that would blow me away but over all I think that for the work I do XP/Vista is better laid out and requires fewer clicks to do most tasks.
I guess I won't know for sure until I use both OSs for an extended period of time. - dyvbond, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1278 diggs and 26 minutes later and still 26 views..
and people wonder why comments on digg are unintelligent =/ - msgyrd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7***Pick one:
1) Run the app on OS X just as you would on Windows with http://darwine.opendarwin.org/
2) Run in Parallells
3) Dual boot and run Windows XP natively when u need Windows specific apps***
1) Programs that heavily rely on DirectX don't work too well in WINE. Go to winehq and you will see that almost no CAD programs (AutoCAD, Solidworks, etc) are supported for their current releases.
2) Parallels takes a decent performance hit because you're running two operating systems at once. If you want to load a topographical map of an entire county, you don't want anything slowing down your system.
3) The best option sadly. Personally, I wish it didn't have to be so limited. Even if one company would write a decent product for another platform, it would help tremendously.
***The only downside with Macs is that they cost a lot. They're worth it all, but many people dont want to spend extra on good looks. It's true. Other than that, Macs have as good as no downsides.***
Quit spreading that crap. Honestly, it was true a few years ago, but for almost 2 years, Macs have been priced competitively with PCs. Go to Dell.com and compare an equivilant system to a macbook or MBP, the price is almost identical if not more expensive. Granted, you have more companies to choose from for a PC, which allows you to choose from more configurations, but similar hardware setups cost almost the same for the current intel lineup (except RAM...Apple always price gouges for some reason) - eatmytag, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I watched the whole thing. I think google's view counter is broken.
- jkoke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8rob,
The task bar breaks down with >10 windows open at a time and for most programs only shows the program and not the windows open IN that programs (ie, Photoshop). For web and explorer windows (with grouping off), the names get truncated and all you have is a little icon to judge what's there, you have to hover your mouse over the button to know if that's the window you're looking for.
Exposé instantly shows me all the windows that I have open and I find it quite easy to select the one I want. If I just want to browse through the windows in the current app, Exposé does that too. The dock shows me which applications are open, and if I click on an open app's icon, it brings all windows for that app to the front.
Not saying you should switch to OS X if you're comfortable and more productive in Windows, but I just wanted to point out what I think is better about Exposé. - eatmytag, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Is it possible to get a "high quality" version?
- webpoet73, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7My PC is 4 years old. P4 2.0GHz. I did upgrade it with an ATi Radeon 9600XT last year, but it runs Vista RC1 just fine. I get all of the eye candy.
I do agree that the GUI is the biggest improvement that the user will see. The behind the scenes upgrades are not immediately noticeable. These improvements probably won't be noticed until Vista is fully out in the wild. Some of the other apps that come with Vista (like Windows Calendar and Windows Photo Gallery) could be ported down to XP SP2 just like Windows Defender and IE7 were. That would give less compelling reason to upgrade.
That being said, I am not a fully OSX convert. I still use my Windows PC for a few things. (I have WinXP Home and Vista RC1 dual-booting on it.)
- bohrhead, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13"You can increase or decrease the size of the dock to make it large or big" Great!
- bking, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Guess that explains all the music videos, commercials, tv shows and feature films made on Final Cut Pro. They're all secretly iPod size, but the viewers are just too dumb to notice.
- ZeroG52, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13@avatarpalin
If all you think an OS is is eye candy, then you are truly incapable of speaking as to the advantages of Windows Vista. I have used a multitude of OS's throughout the years, starting with an Apple IIe all the way through vista, including various flavors of MacOS, Linux, Unix, etc. There is much more to an OS than what you see on the surface. MS kept the presentation familiar to users as MacOS has done with it's OS's. There are minor tweaks, but they kept the feel the same so that less savvy users would feel at home in the new OS. Under the hood however, is a very different beast, the features of which are already well documented on the Internet. Your T30 probably has an ATI 7500 video chipset, and while not currently supporting all of the Aero features, that is the fault of ATI not providing a proper driver, not Microsoft's. Anyways, I just wanted to put my two cents in on this, feel free to reply. Have a blessed day. - Snakedal337, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Until I can get OS X with my PC (Yes confusing a Mac with a PC is a personal pet peeve /me rolls eyes) i'll continue to call the OS "Mac", because your talking about the same ***** product, just from different aspects
- bking, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Pretty sure the two keys next to my space bar do in fact have little graphics of apples on them, and my key next to the = key says "delete." If you need two hands to hit both of those at the same time, please treat us with the story of how you lost four of the fingers on your right hand to a horrible run-in with a bear, and tell us how difficult it is for you to hold down the shift key for capital letters. It would make everybody pity you just a little more.
- cocoamix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7My sister just bought an iMac, as she needed a new computer and was willing to try something new. She had never used a Mac in her life. She was also smitten by the beautiful design and all the glowing reviews she'd seen.
I sent her this video because I think it will save me a lot of phone calls from her asking how to do this and that. - rebz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11I can tell you need some help with your punctuation. Try "it's" on for size.
@Gills: Damn you, broke the chain! - mark1372, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I used to think the same thing (former Mac basher) -- until I got a Mac and started using it. Once you get the hang of it, you understand.
- Throlkim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6That was a very decent introduction to using a Mac, and unlike many tutorial videos I've seen, you have a good voice that doesn't make me want to strangle you.
Bravo! :D -
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