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- uns0undl0gic, on 07/11/2009, -18/+59I have never had a single Wi-Fi issue with my 3G ever...
- BaddBrainz, on 07/10/2009, -4/+25Been hearing about this more and more. Have some friends who are having these kind of problems.
- B1665r, on 07/11/2009, -2/+23I haven't had a wifi issue either. Now ask me about basic phone service connectivity...
- TheCash, on 07/11/2009, -6/+25Why? Because 3.0 is a piece of *****, and I'm researching now how to downgrade back to 2.2.1. My battery life has gone to hell, wifi connections drop it like it's hot every 2 minutes or so, and it's not like I need some ridiculous "search" feature to find something on a mobile phone. The largest collection of files on my iPhone are music/videos, which the ipod section lays out clearly for me already.
- sockpuppets, on 07/11/2009, -2/+16123bucklemyshoe is Kevin Rose having fun with us.
- TheCash, on 07/11/2009, -2/+14Really?
http://tinypic.com/r/2h3brwx/3 - thebuggalo, on 07/11/2009, -1/+11Haven't had any problems with my 3GS since purchase. It's working like a dream.
- Gee1004, on 07/11/2009, -1/+10It takes 1 minute to access the Apple store now on the iPhone 3.0
- Me1000, on 07/11/2009, -2/+11Your*
- PoleCatz, on 07/11/2009, -5/+14It is FAR FAR FAR worse than that, fellas. After extensive testing with several iPhone 3G S units as well as with multiple iPod Touch (first and second generation) units it's become clear that Apple is selectively white-listing certain WiFi (and probably Edge/3G) requests for internet resources and all others are first stored/cached before being sent to your phone.
I encourage everyone to try this yourself: first, get any iPhone (first gen/3G/3G S doesn't matter) and any iPod Touch. Now hold them side by side and play back some media from, say, YouTube. You will notice that they are served to your iPhone and iPod Touch devices over WiFi at more or less the same speed. This is also true if you pull down a video or audio file from almost any major media site (MSNBC etc). Now, try some obscure podcast. What you will see is that the iPod Touch immediately starts a progressive download of the video or audio file and begins to play the requested file. Strangely, the iPhone goes into a long delay before it finally appears to pull down any data and will eventually start to send you the requested file much slower than it is being sent to the iPod Touch. WTF???
What appears to be going on is that Apple "white-lists" certain domains, and everything else outside of that white list is requested through some proxy where the requested data is first cached (at Apple? the NSA? AT&T? It's a mystery for the moment) and then finally sent to you.
You think this is crazy? Test it yourself and be amazed. I tried this with a friends' iPhone 3G S and 2nd gen iPod Touche and he was shocked. Apple appears to be tapping ALL apps on ALL iPhones for ALL internet resource requests that are not part of some white list of approved domains. Why would they do this and not do it on the iPod Touch? Well, there's a phone number married to an iPhone, so if you download something that Big Brother doesn't like, they know where you live.
Try it yourself. Apple has some explaining to do. - ijwhelan, on 07/11/2009, -1/+9They just figured this out? Seriously, I've always had this problem with my iPod touch 1G. Gets super hot while charging, drops connections right and left, and gets battery life that sucks balls, even with WiFi off, and the screen dimmed down to a reasonable brightness.
- LittleDas, on 07/11/2009, -0/+8I've been wondering why the wifi basically stopped working. At least now I know it's not my fault.
- Sloth01, on 07/11/2009, -1/+9OMG you just solved the 3G/s broken Wifi Problem!
The Wifi isn't disconnecting or broken, i'll bet it's a feature that Apple has implemented but people just haven't realized they've wanted it yet!
New Predictive Wifi feature on Apple Devices: Predicts when your just going to waste time looking at junk on the internet, so it automatically turns off Wifi!
Steve Jobs you magnificent son of a bitch you've done it again. - krisrm, on 07/11/2009, -0/+8Of course reports on it are going to dwarf those running the 3GS; hardly anyone has a 3GS compared to the number of people with 3G's. If it is indeed a firmware issue, it'll affect both of them; the devices themselves aren't that different.
I've thought about getting an iPhone before, but the single (legal/easy) app source, iTunes on Windows, and problem reports like these have turned me off entirely. I'm waiting for the HTC Hero. - hiro, on 07/11/2009, -0/+7My wifi has certainly been much worse since upgrading to 3.0. Hopefully a fix will be on it's way soon
- TheBigBad, on 07/11/2009, -0/+6same here.
- potamkin, on 07/11/2009, -0/+6I have a 3G S and i've had a few issues. Even when my signal strength is good, i lose 3G connectivity randomly. I hope they sort this out soon.
- itc518, on 07/11/2009, -2/+8Im very happy with the pre, many friends have iphones so I am familiar with them. I love being able to listen to pandora while I am texting someone or have music going while browsing the web. That was what sold me on it, the multitasking that the iphone cannot do. Plus with my plan on Sprint I pay under $100 for unlimited everything, that was another reason I did not switch the an iphone, the only carrier that offers them sucks balls.
- stubear, on 07/11/2009, -1/+7Stop playing on your dad's computer and move along little boy.
- 3The3Dude3, on 07/11/2009, -0/+5The battery life with 3.0 makes is horrible. After doing a good job optimizing it from 1.0 - 2.0, 3.0 introduced some sort of Zack Morris phone power management scheme. It eats thru power quite quickly when using the web and the dramatic decrease in talk-time is inexcusable.
As far as wifi, my phone is fine at home. But ironically, after about one week of turn-key connection to ATT HotSpots (aka Starbucks) as advertised, now it will not connect at all. - DaveyDeadite, on 07/11/2009, -0/+5I've noticed weird and annoying issues since upgrading too.
at work to connect to wifi they use cisco clean access, and before 3.0 I had no problem and the lease worked for like a good hour. now anytime I put my phone (3g with 3.0 firm) wifi disconnects and doesn't connect unless I do it manually. very, very annoying. - JasonCox, on 07/11/2009, -1/+6I have an iPhone 3G and while I haven't had problems with the WiFi craping out of me, my signal quality since upgrading to 3.0 (and then 3.1) has just sucked as has my overall net speed.
- adriaaan, on 07/11/2009, -0/+5You're not the boss of me!
- morcheeba, on 07/11/2009, -2/+6Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Or, in this case, I'll settle for Ethereal dumps ... it's pretty easy to do.
You have no evidence of a white-list, or caching.
I've done extensive testing over wifi of google maps traffic vs. my company's product. Google maps queues up lots of requests so that it minimizes latency & makes use of big packets - the same thing we basically did... and we got basically the same speeds. Youtube has been specifically optimized for iphone (as we were); I suspect that MSNBC and others may not have done the same. - ChromaVita, on 07/11/2009, -0/+4So wouldn't the way to test this be to host a file on a server, then try to access it from both phones and check what IP addresses the requests are coming from? If apple is going through a middle man to get the file wouldn't the request come from the proxy's IP?
- inactive, on 07/11/2009, -1/+5They did it on purpose to get more 3g data $$$ for the carriers.
- MikeSD34, on 07/11/2009, -0/+4I had the 1st generation unit and didn't have any issues with mine related to battery life, heating, or anything else for that matter after upgrading to 3.0. That said, I'm just one person so that doesn't mean it's impossible just that it didn't happen to me. I've since upgraded to the 3GS and am still not having any of the issues people are reporting.
- Resolution, on 07/11/2009, -0/+4Interesting. I have a friend with the IPhone 3G who updated to the 3.0 firmware a few weeks ago, and has just recently (today) mentioned this loss of wireless connectivity on her device. It's not her router since her laptop is connected wirelessly at full strength. Perhaps if enough people digg this article, Apple will take notice and do something.
Dugg. - DrCraigis, on 07/11/2009, -0/+4I had frequent wifi connectivity issues with my 1g Touch that drove me crazy. At the time I couldn't believe Apple released the thing with this very common (based on complaints on the Apple support discussion boards) bug that rendered useless the very function that a lot of people bought the Touch for in the first place. Somehow, whether it was one of the voodoo techniques suggested on the boards or a subsequent patch, the problem eventually went away. I'm disappointed to read that Apple still hasn't worked out the wifi issues. Wifi connectivity with the iPhone & Touch should be a non-issue at this point (3.0). Also, as a whole, 3.0 blows chunks.
- inactive, on 07/11/2009, -8/+12Ha ha ha ha! Apple....
- JasonCox, on 07/11/2009, -1/+5Put it into DFU mode and install 2.2.1 via iTunes. As long as you haven't installed 3.1, which updates the baseband, you should be fine.
- schoate09, on 07/12/2009, -0/+4I had ridiculous wifi problems on my MacBook Pro as well. Bought it three weeks ago, and ended up returning it today. (got a temporary return extension). I just could not shake the constant drops of wifi, even with an Airport Extreme base station.
Wireless issues have plagued Apple products for the last 3 years, read around, ever since the Intel transition. If they don't start addressing this issue, they're going to have a big problem as they become more popular. - antoniuk, on 07/12/2009, -1/+4Good try sprint but this is not going to get people to flock to your pre any faster.
- Bartboy919, on 07/11/2009, -0/+33.1? I guessing your using a dev build.
- Resolution, on 07/11/2009, -1/+4That's fine, but no one is talking about Palm or the Palm Pre here...
- shank2001, on 07/11/2009, -0/+3Actually, yes you can downgrade an iPhone, unless it is a baseband upgrade you can downgrade.
- ehaugan, on 07/11/2009, -4/+7the G1 sucks. I had one for a few months and it was horrible.
- defectDS, on 07/11/2009, -1/+4My Wi-fi only turns off when it's not in use on standby. Are we sure this isn't a battery saving "feature?"
- schoate09, on 07/12/2009, -1/+4I'm not sure why you're being dugg down. I talked someone into trying a blackberry before blindly getting an iPhone. Once he saw through the "wow/hip/flashy factor", he realized the superior functionality many other devices have. (For business/econ, he will benefit from a full keyboard (not asthetic enough for lord jobs)).
He liked the pre as well. - mightycbu, on 07/11/2009, -0/+3must be an american thing, never had or heard about these issues in the Netherlands.
- Sloth01, on 07/11/2009, -1/+4Hey 123bucklemyshoe you seem like a really cool guy, so i'll let you in on a secret.
Check out the awesome new MacBook wheel product coming out:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/05/macbook-wheel-r ... - canUdi9it, on 07/11/2009, -0/+3I've started to have more WIFI issues going from home to office with 3.0 on the Ipod Touch 1G.
It used to switch back and forth fine, but the other day it lost the work WIFI. I had to manually turn WIFI off and on again to get it to work. - mu0p, on 07/11/2009, -1/+4I love my android
- Giga, on 07/12/2009, -0/+3"I'm extremely interested in science and programming so I've done countless research on this topic not to brag but yeah and I'm guessing that there's, not a problem with the actual iPhone per say"
Scientists don't guess. They hypothesise. - Microdot, on 07/11/2009, -1/+4maybe i am misunderstanding the actual problem... but both of my 3g's (my old one, and my fiances) as well as my new 3gs havent had any connectivity issues with wifi around the house. have a airport extreme base station... so maybe that has something to do with it. not sure. but zero issues here so far.
- Cashezo, on 07/12/2009, -0/+3iPhone > Palm Pre
- eigenweasel, on 07/11/2009, -2/+5But are you statistically significant?
- morcheeba, on 07/11/2009, -1/+4My George Foreman Grill is operating just fine, too.
- shank2001, on 07/11/2009, -0/+3Okay I did your silly test. Result: The IPHONE started streaming first in every case by a split second! The time difference was so small it was pretty much insignificant and might as well have been equal. I tried this 5 times on 5 different obscure podcasts.
If you were to think for two seconds you would know what you say is complete nonsense. - ajb2015, on 07/11/2009, -0/+3I have a 2G... i've noticed shorter the battery life and horrible wifi connectivity (it is really inconsistent and makes me re-enter the password for known networks sometimes). also, everything is slower. the pros are minimal. i haven't used spotlight search or voice memo in the two weeks since i've had it and those are probably the most significant additions. i wouldn't upgrade until apple resolves the major issues.
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