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- IWorkAtApple, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Hmm. So this guy's writing from a sales-manager point of view, from what I can tell. As mentioned in my username, I work there right now, and I don't see it the same way. I'm on the engineering side of things rather than sales - perhaps that's the difference.
The team I work with is pretty darn cohesive, and it's (relatively speaking) a big team. The management structure is obvious, and the chain-of-command is respected (in other words, directors/VP's word is as law :). On the other hand, I have no problems walking up to my director or VP and speaking my mind on something I disagree with. This is encouraged and I expect my team to do the same thing with me.
I dunno - what he's saying just seems at-odds with the reality of my working life. Perhaps it's different in sales... I think what he says about "not many people volunteer to leave Apple" is true though. It's one of the best places I've ever worked... - jzp-digg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Loss of reality is always near the executives' offices in the corporate world.
- Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9yeah, it seems obvious, but like lots of conceptually easy things, it is harder in practice than a casual observer might realize.
- askldjd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9The review seems to expose a slightly darker side of Apple itself.
"It's not a place for people looking for a structured career or one where you can expect the company to groom you for anything but possible early retirement if you get out of line."
It was a very interesting read. Dugg. - NSResponder, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7He's a former field sales guy, who apparently left the company on less than perfectly cordial terms. It seems that he holds some kind of grudge against Apple's current management, which is also not uncommon among those who predate the company's recovery from nearly going belly-up under the "do whatever the hell you want" policy of Steve's predecessors.
-jcr - unlivingrolan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3someone needs to write 'Appleserfs' and i'll order a copy right away.
- DSPGeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I worked with an ex-Apple manager who'd prospered during the Sculley/Spindler years, but jumped ship to a startup when Gil Amelio was hired for his stint as CEO. For those not familiar with Apple's den of snakes back then, suffice it to say that time was marked by Machiavellan scheming to look good for Sculley, even if it meant sinking a co-worker.
This manager was past master at getting others blamed for his poor project skills, finding a way to get an engineer canned every six to nine months to cover up his lack of planning and general ineptitude. After a while people, even the CEO, started figuring it out, but by then it was too late: the place went under not long thereafter. - ivassilis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3hey, a dark side of Apple is to be expected since Apple never promised that "we'll make no evil" ;)
The inside story of a guy who'll be working 20 yrs for Google will be also interesting (well, when we... digg it some 12 yrs from now)! - mummey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"This evolved into a very successful strategy for me, listen a lot, promise only what you can deliver, and absolutely deliver what you promise and more. While you're at it, it helps to communicate a lot so that no one ends up in the dark. This works for employees, managers, and customers."
Seems pretty obvious to me... - horanghee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I've only been working at a software company for about one and a half years, but it is my impression that everyone where I work tries to do this.
- Crid, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2Exactly. I loathe Apple's computers, but it's hard to fault them for this kind of story. If you're a failed employee, what *would* you expect a company to "groom" you for?
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