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- fkr3, on 10/10/2007, -7/+61So what does this actually mean for end users?
- Reno582, on 10/10/2007, -4/+52Nothing, its like A+ Certification, it tells you something you already knew you were.
except you get to put a nice logo on all your stuff. - mindsnare, on 10/10/2007, -4/+36dude it's been 7 or so years already, how long do you want?
- the_snitch, on 10/10/2007, -2/+26obviously never heard of Darwin? http://www.opensource.apple.com/
download the source right here if you feel like it
http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/ - Salgat, on 10/10/2007, -3/+25Well, BSD license doesn't require modifications to be open sourced, but the actual BSD OS that it is based off of is open source(which it is referring to).
- geminitojanus, on 10/10/2007, -3/+24Means something huge to the businesses with Pointy-Haired Bosses making the purchasing decisions for their servers. UNIX certification guarantees a minimal set of compliant behaviors needed to run several higher-end applications, and if your business is running one of those applications, you now have another OS to choose from to run your systems on.
To the end user, this is completely fluff, however. - abdulla, on 10/10/2007, -1/+20Hmmm, the certificate specifically mentions Intel Macs, and does not mention PowerPC. I wonder why the certificate didn't apply to both?
- Ninjab3ar, on 10/10/2007, -1/+19Darwin, OS X's kernel, is based on FreeBSD, which is Open source (you can download it for free from apple's website). However, the Aqua interface, and the Carbon and Cocoa frameworks (which are required to run any Mac Apps) are not.
- jellomizer, on 10/10/2007, -3/+20Means you may have a better chance of convincing your Unix Loving Sys-Admin to approve the New MacBook pro for you. Having a True Unix system citification is probably more towards its XServer Lineup where they can say they are just as good if not better then IBM, SUN, or HP but... Apple really needs to improve it corporate support first.
- andyduncan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+15Nothing in the UNIX certification says it has to be open source. You're mixing up your *nixes.
- Altotus, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15Mach is the microkernel on which BSD UNIX runs (BSD is the original UNIX). By definition, OS X is UNIX because it's certified by the UNIX tradmark holder as being UNIX.
- toetagger, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification
- saggygrandma, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15Nice stereotype, obviously on purpose :)
- jdong, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14Well -- it means that any software that is written to be compliant with these guidelines have a very very good chance to run on OS X. Of course, it isn't like OS X wasn't like that for a while already, so the practical effect is there's a new shiny logo that Apple can put on the box.
- LordVoldemort, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15Linux is not Unix.
- antitab, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12Sorry, but does no one else think this is freakin' awesome? I mean, look at this:
"Wondering if you want in? You do. Imagine coding on Mac and porting by recompile to RISC big iron."
That's got to be the single coolest line that's in no way relevant to me personally that I've ever read. - CraigJ, on 10/10/2007, -3/+15And the point of that was?
- zodieman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11Yeah but it does nothing for the Windows-loving sysadmins who know nothing about UNIX (most MCSEs) ;)
- geminitojanus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11You'd be surprised how many decisions at major businesses all over the nation are made by PHBs; all they need is someone to come in, flash some papers about how their product can only be ran on a UNIX certified platform, and that's the end of it. Look at how many machines out there are running Windows for no reason more than some boss somewhere said so, without knowing any better, and undoubtedly many companies that could buy a Linux server and use an alternative to the hyper-expensive product offered only to UNIX certified platforms will buy XServes on this fact alone. Why do you think IBM still makes a fortune selling AIX servers, or Sun still sells Solaris servers, or HP still selling HPUX servers? Hell, there are still UnixWare servers out there just because some boss said "Hey, I really like SCO's marketing here, why don't we use these machines?"
The reality is, the Unix name sells machines just for being attached, even if that name is completely bogus in the current environment, and it really doesn't guarantee a whole damn lot anymore. Hell, if someone had the money and time, they could get a specific Linux-based OS certified, but nobody's even close to that bored and has that much money to throw around. Or even more relevant, they could certify FreeBSD, as most of Apple's code topside of the kernel was forked from there. - mollerade, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10Congratulations Apple.
- andyduncan, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11Why go through the hurdles of certifying a dead product? Apple uses a different Java runtime on the Intel macs than they do on the powerpc macs, it's not simply a port. I'm sure there are other places where the codebase is split.
- andyduncan, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11Until Linux gets UNIX 03 certification, then yeah, they might.
- DigitalJester, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Doing it for developer's isn't a good enough reason? Making it so software that runs on Linux and Unix run on Mac OS X without alot of code changes is a damned good reason, I'd say so
- SVPirate, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8HP/UX is one of the 3 remaining true UNIX derivatives (along with AIX from IBM and Solaris from Sun). It dates back many years to when HP wasn't a cheap-ass bunch of muppets in a shoe box that outsourced everything to Dehli and/or China. Read up on it some time.
- geminitojanus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Java has nothing to do with UNIX, just the low-level behaviors of the OS (C runtime, shell and available utilities, kernel interfaces). Any machine that runs Leopard should be UNIX compliant (though it may not be due to some wonky portability issues), but it doesn't look good in their marketing material to advertise an older product, and as this is essentially a marketing tool, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
- sydseale, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Right, who are the Open Group to tell you anything anyway? Just a bunch of UNIX people who decide what is and isn't UNIX.
- SVPirate, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Has anyone noticed that this is the first ever consumer desktop OS to receive UNIX certification? Admittedly it doesn't mean a whole lot Joe Bloggs to have your eMail and Web Browser running on a UNIX cert. machine but hey - geeks like me like UNIX :D. It's even more interesting to folks like me as I've tried Solaris and AIX and both are great server/workstation OSs but suck completely for general use :)
- Stirk, on 10/10/2007, -5/+12Welcome to my block list
- geminitojanus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7And that's exactly why there are all of 3 OSes other than OS X that are UNIX Certified. *rolls eyes*
Didn't I block you already? What the hell is up Digg? - fantasticFlan, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7You're a performance artist, right?
- danielwsmithee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Linux is not Unix, Os X is not Linux, Os X is a Unix
- streak, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8All I can say is, Wait until you see Leopard!
- init100, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6@cmiz
"OS X can now technically be called a 'Unix' (I guess?) even though technically speaking, to truly carry the Unix brand name, it had to have been bought from Bell Labs or one of the companies that carries a derivative of it"
You are confusing two categories of Unix. One category is "Unix by inheritance", which means that it comes from the original Bell Labs lineage. Unix systems based on System V are such Unices. The other category is "Unix by certification", which means that it has passed a certification process at The Open Group. Being in one category does not imply being in the other too. Both are equally true unices. - lavchan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Mach actually was developed as an alternative kernel the original BSD one. None of today's BSDs (FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD) use Mach.
- LordVoldemort, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Apple is interested in making excellent products.
- irgeorge, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6I always thought there was a certain amount of respect/lack of animosity between Linux and OS X users, once you look beyond the vocal 12 year old fanboys of both camps.
- TechCF, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7You know Apple makes servers? And you know those servers run OSX right?
- Me1000, on 10/10/2007, -5/+11To show how immature Windows Fanboys are!
- prammy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6And what exactly is horrible about LSB ?
- antitab, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Calm down there, Skippy. Take your Valium. I realize you're nothing other than a common troll, but I'll go ahead and waste my time asking you to point out in well-written, technically-competent verse, just how "Apple's OS is not Unix."
I'll be anticipating your reply never. - meatmcguffin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5The original Apple logo was Issac Newton under a tree
And you, sir, are an immature wanker - prammy, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7increase?
Exactly what FUD has FSF/Linux people been putting out so far ? - VitriolAndAngst, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5It probably means more for Government and security conscious Financial Institutions who need these certifications.
- superalamar, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5it's not.
- gpmidi, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5FUD is what M$ feels about their future.
- LordVoldemort, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6I think you need to go back to school.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9Alan Turing.................. was a gay, so just throw away your faggoty computer.
- danielwsmithee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5They already do. Small bus., education, and video render farms.
- danielwsmithee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I wouldn't call it extreme amounts of liberal changes just a lot of stuff has been provided that runs on top of the UNIX underpinnings. The actual Unix specification is quite broad. There is no way of saying it has changed because there is no solid "true UNIX" to compare it to, just a broad specification.
- bradleyland, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Actually, it's like comparing Apple to Microsoft.
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