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- fxspec06, on 10/11/2007, -6/+69Feature pulled. Buried as inaccurate.
- longofest, on 10/11/2007, -4/+37Possibly not... reports from WWDC indicate that BootCamp engineering and project management "freaked out" when they heard of the feature being advertised. Within an hour it was removed from the website. Just one report, but its shedding some doubt on the initial info from the website.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+26Wow... go to sleep and then wake up in Windows. Sounds like a nightmare.
;) - Americanm, on 10/11/2007, -5/+25Nice!
- NOFXY, on 10/11/2007, -3/+20"is the same functionality possible with linux for a 3 way?"
Giggidy ;-) - sishgupta, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16@urusai: Yes.
- himey, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13This feature has apparently been pulled.
- redmaxx, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13Sometimes you just need apps from both OSes running side-by-side.
- kevintmckay, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11is the same functionality possible with linux for a 3 way?
- nerditup, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10the feature is not actually a part of Leopard, an Engineer removed it as it was said that it is no longer supported. :(
- Xenogis, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10Anyone saying someone is a tool is a tool.
- fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -5/+11It sounds like the other is in hibernation - which means the other has dumped it's memory contents into a file. It's really quite a clever idea.
I thought they (someone) hacked it so you could just slap the monitor or something and it switched? Going to sleep mode seems like more effort than that? - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7@ruddy - she won't have time for that - she'll be too busy trying to get rid of some Trojan that appears every time she boots up, along with a mysterious missing DLL error that you have to press abort to get rid of, but it seems to work anyway.
- x0nIMIn0x, on 10/11/2007, -7/+13"Wake it up and your in Windows."
You don't want to use the possessive (your) in this case. Remember, you are contracting the subject and verb, "you" and "are", so you want to write, "Wake it up and you're in Windows."
Unless you meant, "Wake it up and your computer is in Windows." - theprez, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Maybe THIS was one of the "top secret" features, that was either scraped or won't be included until the final release.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7It would be nice, but it's not good enough for me to not need virtualization.
- adalgiso, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Why would I want 2 machines and spend the money for both when I could run both OS's (or any OS for that matter) on 1 machine?
- sonictonic, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Sadly, buried as inaccurate. This isn't currently confirmed.
- pevensen, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Did no one read the article? This feature was nixed!
- insomniac8400, on 10/11/2007, -6/+10You can hibernate windows and boot back up into linux, so the idea is nothing new. But it's good to know that apple is trying to make it easier to run windows just to be able to sell computers.
- djpants428, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4but being able to quick hibernate/resume would make it possible to use the full hardware without virtualization (like parallels), so therefore anyone who needed full GPU acceleration for games or what not, would have full access to the hardware. The same would apply to multi-core cpus, at this point parallels does not fully have access to all available cores. I would hope that this feature will eventually make its way into leopard.
- Heilige, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Feature was Pulled
- dbr_onix, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4"You can hibernate windows and boot back up into linux, so the idea is nothing new"
"Feature pulled. Buried as inaccurate."
You can already do this in the current OS X (What ever it's cat'y name is), since the hibernate mode is fairly easily activated :
Open Terminal.app up, and type
open -a TextEdit .profile # Opens your bash .profile in TextEdit (mate .profile, or vim .profile etc will work the same)
Now, add the following lines :
alias hibernateon='sudo pmset -a hibernatemode 1'
alias hibernateoff='sudo pmset -a hibernatemode 0'
Save and close the file.
Then, if you want the machine to do it's normal sleep-when-laptop-lid-closed (Faster, but I think it will die if the battery is removed), you shouldn't need to type anything.
Type "hibernateon" in terminal, enter your users password (pmset requires "sudo"), your computer will now suspend, writing memory to the harddrive, and completely power off, when you press the power button - I'll resume, just slightly slower (since it's restoring the memory from the harddrive)..
...ah, damnit, when OS X is hibernated, it seems to skip the initial loading bit, where you could select your Bootcamp partition. If you hibernate the Windows boot camp, you can boot back into OS X. It doesn't seem like it'll take much to make it work (There's different sorts of HIbernate modes availble though pmset), but the hibernate thing might be useful to someone (If they don't trust the laptop's sleep mode, or that pusling power light gets annoying at night etc - Since it's suspended to memory, there's no power flowing around the machine like with Sleep mode - Which means no lights on)
Finally, "he engineer then called the Apple BootCamp program manager who "freaked out". Within an hour it was removed from the website." sounds like hype-creating rubbish - I don't imagine a single engineer would be able to impliment this without anyone knowing, get it put on the website (Changes to which I imagine will go though many people first, be verified and such before upload) then have someone "[freak] out" and have it removed.. - tizz66, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2There's a place for both technologies. I love Parallels with Coherence, it works great, but it's never going to be fast enough to something intensive, like gaming, or 3D work etc. That's where BootCamp comes in handy.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3You ARE a tool - this is for people who do not own 2 machines!. Can you understand that?
- StarManta, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2"I thought they (someone) hacked it so you could just slap the monitor or something and it switched? Going to sleep mode seems like more effort than that?"
That was using a combination of different programs: The "slapping" program, the virtual desktop program, and then a Windows virtualizer (which was probably Parellels). Which runs slower than rebooting and running natively in BootCamp, but it can run concurrently. (It also costs $80) - 35chililights, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1awesome, well there is 80 bucks saved to run the one program i need MS for (autoCad).
all other programs i need seem to have smaller footprints and i can run well with remote desktop. - Narfmaster, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Whoops, spoke too soon it seems...
Hope they re-enable this feature in later releases though, sounds great. - melllvar37, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1thought about exactly this possibilityfew days ago when i once again restarted my mac ;) maybe i should join apple
- bageloid, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Its so clever that i did this almost a year ago when dual booting XP and Ubuntu(didnt always work, but it isnt exactly a documented feature)
I saw people talking about it when i was looking for help configuring stuff(compiz...) and tried it. - bigsteve, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Awesome Ubuntu, thanks for making a a legion of Linux "users" who don't know hibernate from standby.
- streak, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1The feature is predicted to reappear, as part of a build-to-order option that includes pre-installation of Windows. See above.
- supaklaw, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Buried. Sweet concept though... pretty much gets rid of the whole Parallels/Cider issues. Keep it in mind Apple?
- streak, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Nixed!
The feature will reappear, if Apple can negotiate a deal with Microsoft to bundle Windows as an extra-cost, build-to-order option on Macs. Consumers will save $$ on individual licenses, and Apple will make $$$. - Disjunto, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@funky.... it's in quotes because it's not a real restart and only appears like one :D
- Iwantawii, on 10/11/2007, -5/+5Should it come out, this is big news. Boot Camp is a great feature but you've really gotta be hellbent on using Windows for a while. Parallels/VMWare fill a niche but there's a wide open area of usability that a "hot swap" could fill.
Aside from Boot Camp, I've restarted my MBP maybe a half dozen times since its arrival in November. Including Boot Camp it's probably more like 100 restarts. I need my BF2 fix or else I get angry and belligerent. There's a certain feng-shui that comes with having your browser windows/tabs, mail, and current work all in the right places, and trashing that all for a lunchbreak frag is kind of a bummer.
I'd be pleasantly surprised if we ever see true Windows integration in OSX the way it optimally would be. There's just too many variables. 100% performance in a Windows app somehow delegated into an OSX window just seems a little far fetched. A "hot swap" however would dismiss all resources from the hibernating OS. Brilliant! - MacBandit, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Not a feature at least not yet.
- Comatose51, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1The poster is obviously wrong. No need to dual or multiboot, sure. But this cannot compare with virtualization which allows you to run multiple virtual machines simutaneously. With VMware's Fusion or Parallels Coherence, you can run Windows apps on OSX along side your normal apps. If you need to transfer data between them, you can. You can't do any of that with this feature. It's just a much faster reboot into a different OS.
- Giga, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0"Anybody that is not computer-incompetent should know such a feature requires either total file system separation or in case the file system is to be 'shared' (which would be the only case that makes sense) you will need VERY special file system drivers in BOTH (or all if you also want Linux) operating systems!"
Oh, really? Most of my friends wouldn't know that hibernating an OS in a dual boot environment would cause file system corruption if the data on the hard drive changed while the OS was hibernated, but that doesn't mean they are incompetent. People on Digg assume too much of the average user. - or3n, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1From the site:
"Update: One comment indicates that this features has indeed been pulled from Leopard:
I have it on good report from someone attending WWDC that this feature has been nixed.
He mentioned this feature to the Apple BootCamp build engineer. Who responded that this feature will not be supported. The engineer then called the Apple BootCamp program manager who "freaked out". Within an hour it was removed from the website." - bigsteve, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0That's exactly what it means. You have a Windows partition [FAT32 / NTFS] and an OS X partition [HFS+]. While the two OS families can read each other's partitions [Windows can read HFS+ with 3rd party software] they couldn't live in each other's file system. Virtualization on the other hand creates the guest OS's file system in a large file.
Boot camp has existed in public beta for over a year now; anyone who wasn't computer-incompetent would know that. - Giga, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0I don't believe you. WTF is a "real" Mac user anyway? One who can't capitalise properly or use decent sentence structure?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1My friend actually use XP/Vista more than her OSX. It's kinda stupid at first but later i realized that she bought the mac for style reason - its a chick laptop. I'll tell her this a.s.a.p so she could switch OS easily. Should i tell her to get a PC instead?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1Windows for Men!
- berfmurret, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1as a computer musician who enjoys a lot of the freewares available on the pc platform but prefers the mac os as my everyday os i have been searching for someway to have my cake and eat it too. i am thinking this would have been my best solution... i hope they don't scratch this one :(
- infinitedevon, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0I've found that you have always been able to do this using standby with Windows XP and Linux on the same machine. Nice that Apple picked up...
- dansy, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2Anybody that is not computer-incompetent should know such a feature requires either total file system separation or in case the file system is to be 'shared' (which would be the only case that makes sense) you will need VERY special file system drivers in BOTH (or all if you also want Linux) operating systems!
- twodotone, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1if you're a developer, and work for both platforms, then virtualization is the best option.
the reason is that when you're a (real) mac user, you just refuse to use the windows platform,
but your client might need a win app anyway.
when I created the Nokia stores' flash platform product display system, I programmed every bit of it on mac,
but needed to create a windows projector and test it against our bluetooth socket server.
you understand that if you're just changing a TCP socket management class and need to test if your thing has worked,
you cannot just suspend or restart to another OS.
our case is specific, of course, but with virtualization (parallels in my case), we are able to run a BlueTooth socket server on the virtualized windows,
and then connect from inside flash to the background running TCP socket on windows.
considering how fast virtualization manages to be nowadays (I used to run Virtual PC...),
it's the best option for developers.
I understand, though, that gamers want more juice.
all of this just to say that BootCamp is no option to me, but sure the new implementation kicks ass compared to the old one.
I'm still hoping that CrossOver takes a leap in application support and windows technologies (sometimes they're needed... :S ) -
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