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- SamPollock, on 10/11/2007, -11/+448Holy ***** Dude, do you live at your computer desk or something, because you submit 70 things a day!
- koregaonpark, on 10/11/2007, -9/+414Seriously. Scares the ***** out of me sometimes when he submits a story I wrote 10 seconds after I publish it.
- noahhoward, on 10/11/2007, -19/+330bot
- suprfli, on 10/11/2007, -21/+204Did you ever consider that MrBabyMan isn't just one person and is a group of people sharing one account? Maybe that would explain why "one person" is submitting 70 articles a day. Or maybe he's just a guy who has no life. =)
- Daniel591992, on 10/11/2007, -9/+187News & Videos Dugg: 20,920
News & Videos Submitted: 5,227
News & Videos Made Popular: 1,065
Popular Stories Ratio: 20%
Profile Views: 53,922 - wastern, on 10/11/2007, -18/+189>>Or maybe he's just a guy who has no life.
but how do you kill one which has no life? - Subvexer, on 10/11/2007, -35/+202The biggest revolution of UI in 30 years is smoke? That's iTarded.
- rudy23, on 10/11/2007, -7/+103very informative and on topic. thanks for the great insight all of you guys.
- huckmank, on 10/11/2007, -9/+91"Disco is software for burning disks that illustrates a new approach to interfaces: It smokes while it burns. If you blow into your computer's microphone, the smoke blows across your desktop."
This is going to REVOLUTIONIZE the way I do business!! - theradical, on 10/11/2007, -15/+87@ rebopper
"It is one guy.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PhLoghrZ9vE"
Ha, so according to that video, to be a successful digger it helps if you are a bad father, an inadequate lover, and apparently an alcoholic. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+66a bigger change than switching from CLI to GUI??
- 5wallace, on 10/11/2007, -35/+89How bout this. I have not rebooted my mac in 4 and a half months. I have zero viruses and no virus software. I have forgotten what spyware is, and expose and spotlight have changed my life. This is only the tip of the iceberg. I used a windows PC for 22 years, and I will never, ever go back. But, just in case I need to go back, I will just use paralells or bootcamp. Windows can kiss my ass.
- orlyfactor, on 10/11/2007, -8/+53I got a 30 incher...oh wait you mean the display...nevermind.
- absinthium, on 10/11/2007, -3/+43As a former freebsd developer, I wish people would stop saying this. Apple did not "fork" FreeBSD. They took the userland bins from FreeBSD, ones that could be ported and be useful, which are a subset of the overall tools and apps that exist on MacOSX, which runs a kernel based on Mach, not FreeBSD. Get it straight, people.
- Angostura, on 10/11/2007, -6/+44"Is the only thing people who use Mac's can do is quote Steve Jobs?"
I don't think people saying that their Macs are malware free has anything at all to do with Steve Job's pronouncements.
Give me another reason to switch.
OK. The main reason I switched were:
1. The sheer quality of the bundled iLife applications.
2. The fact that I wanted to tinker about with a BSD-based Unix-alike system for interest sake, but also wanted to be able to run Office and do things like editing movies when I wasn't in a geeking-about mood. OS X gave me the best of both worlds.
"If you have a PC properly set up with a Firewall and Anti-virus your fine."
Yes, but you are *currently* fine with a Mac without an antivirus. It's hubris to assume this will always be the case, but I haven't had to bother thinking about, or paying for AV updates for the past 5 years and that's worth something.
"Secondly Mac's can crash. There are plenty of stories about people having their Mac crash on them and hanging up."
Yes, I'm not a big fan of the "PCs are always crashing" argument. My PC at work crashes very rarely - applications can lock up, but the OS usually stays around. That's pretty much the case with the Mac too. The only kernel panics I've seen have been related to hardware faults. Flaky third party kernal extensions could do it though.
"If Macs were crash free and they never hung then why would Apple offer Technical Support and Troubleshooting?"
There are many reasons for needing tech support that are not related to crashes or hangs.
"Everyone forgets that if Apple was in Microsoft's position and everyone used their OS that they would have spyware, virus's etc where as Microsoft wouldn't have any if they were in Apple's current position."
That's an unsupported assertion on your part. There is no doubt that Microsoft's OS dominance makes it a juicier target, however I remember in the early 90s our System 7 Macs were always getting infected by floppy-hosted viruses and the Mac's market share wasn't significantly larger. The truth is that while there are smaller returns on cracking OS X for the botnet developers, there *are* aspects of OS X which make it less susceptible than XP, and perhaps Vista (I haven't used Vista yet). The fact that Mac applications work just fine even if you aren't an admin is one. The way that the machine explicitly asks for permission before modifying system-wide resources or application folders is another. Vista sounds like it has tried to do something similar with its UAC, but has screwed up somewhat on the usability of the implementation.
" I don't hate the Mac OS at all just personally for me I have no reason to switch at all because my PC works the way it should."
And I don't hate PCs. I use a Mac because
1. I like the OS works
2. I like the bundled apps a lot
3. I like being able to geek about with the Unix underpinnings when I want to, but ignore them when I don't.
4. I like the current absence of malware
5. I like the close integration between hardware and OS and OS and bundled apps. - noahhoward, on 10/11/2007, -13/+48@fuzzycat... when did you see anyone say that? We've had some animation in the Mac desktop for a while now. In fact the last time I saw any mac user talk about the animation in Vista it was to say 'we've had that for years'.
- geoken, on 10/11/2007, -17/+52It also sounds a lot like WPF.
- cmiller1, on 10/11/2007, -3/+37n8ron, beryl/compiz handle compositing, which aqua has since the start, this is entirely different
- jstevewhite, on 10/11/2007, -11/+43@tupper -
Being both a linux fan from '95 and a recent Mac convert (two years), I'd have to take exception to your assertions. Beryl and Compiz are whiz-bang and I love 'em - Sabayon Linux is awesome, as linux desktops go. Yes, there have been other animated Linux desktops, but none took off and began garnering users at the rate Compiz and Beryl are until OSX began making 3d hardware acceleration part of the standard desktop. Expose didn't pioneer animated desktops, it showed a way to make Hardware acceleration useful in a prosaic way that no one prior had achieved. Compiz and Beryl have gained a huge following because Expose blazed the path to desktop value.
In addition, it's important to note that ALL elements of the OSX GUI are hardware accelerated - that's why a 400Mhz G4 with a great video cards seems damned near as fast as a 2Ghz G5 from a UI perspective. Beryl and Compiz accelerate only the window manager components - great stuff, mind you, but not quite the same thing as what OSX is doing. - ldhertert, on 10/11/2007, -11/+42For someone who isn't usually the dupe police, he sure fancies himself a bounty hunter... In his comment history he has a billion of these exact comments (always pointing to his submission, of course):
"I usually don't take the role of dupe police, but this submission, posted earlier..." - PhillipJFry, on 10/11/2007, -9/+39That's a pretty good video, actually. I gotta admit, MrBabyMan deserves all the digs he gets
@theradical
He's an alcoholic because he's drinking a beer? - tvon, on 10/11/2007, -2/+29The screenshots showing Disco are from Tiger, they don't demonstrate Core Animation, just an example of the kind of visual effects the author of TFA imagines will be in future Leopard applications.
- simpleid, on 10/11/2007, -16/+43Not an improvement on the UI, just annoying eye candy.
You can split designers in to two groups. Those with a maticulate sense of detail and appreciation for design who consider the psychology in the matter. And then there's the people who love the Filter menu in photoshop.
This UI feature was by the filter lover. - Thud, on 10/11/2007, -16/+40"and expose and spotlight have changed my life."
That's mighty impressive. For most people, things like marriage and kids are life-changing events. I'm thrilled to see that features of an operating system have had such an effect on your life though. - bennybertow, on 10/11/2007, -4/+25Practical use? Imaging the smoke on your iPhone, indicating that your battery is... er... wow, see how realistic this smoke looks. It even spans over the actual display...
- Topher06, on 10/11/2007, -6/+27Yes, because NO OS currently uses animation. I guess Microsoft's whole UI animation support with .Net 3.0 and XAML introduced over 2 years ago is just fiction and obviously Apple is the only company capable of innovation.
Anyways, the truth is that Apple is offering a new API called Core Animation, which will allow for more rich and robust interface design, but probably won't significantly change the OS experience. I really don't need more things bouncing around and spinning in an OS environment. Things like the Genie effect and the bouncing Dock icons will most likely use this new API, which should off-burden the animations on the GPU rather then the CPU. What WILL happen is that individual applications will have more expressive UI and funky interfaces, but hopefully developers will tone down the need to animate everything.
But again, Apple isn't the only one on the block that is adding animation support to their OS, and Apple's isn't much more innovative then anybody elses. If anything, Microsoft impresses me more because you can develop fully animated and rich UI using XML and the same interface can be used as a desktop App or web App, also Microsoft developed a rich set of tools to design these interfaces so a graphics designer can actually model the front end of an application. Microsoft at least makes an attempt at making development easier and more streamlined on their OS while Apple's developer product is marred by an antiquated language and lousy IDE. - Wartz, on 10/11/2007, -23/+44How bout this. I have not rebooted my PC in 4 and a half months. I have zero viruses and no virus software. With firefox + adblock, noscript and noflash I have forgotten what spyware is, and the vista search engine has changed my life. This is only the tip of the iceberg. I used a windows PC for 22 years, and I will never, ever leave vista. But, just in case I need to leave I will just use vmware. Windows XP can kiss my ass.
See how dumb that sounds?
Post something that can increase his fun or productivity by an amount that justifies the $2500 price tag for a decent mac then you'll have something. - inactionman, on 10/11/2007, -3/+24I just hope there's an option to turn this crap off.
- tomokatsu, on 10/11/2007, -4/+24Am I the only one who thinks that this is a bit anti-climatic?
I mean, when it comes to apple, it is a change that could "herald the biggest changes to the machine's interface in 30 years." Yet if windows were to release the SAME feature, it would be labeled as either (a) Microsoft catching up with Mac, or (b) a waste of system resources. - betterth, on 10/11/2007, -7/+26You're ***** me. A dynamic animation outside the window is the biggest change in thirty years?
That's pathetic. It's eyecandy, and nothing more. - STKD, on 10/11/2007, -9/+27"MAC user"
You mean he only uses Media Access Control? Or did you mean Mac? - BigEasy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+18Attractive & Functional > Boring but Functional > Attractive
I hope they don't shoot for option 3
(Oh and I use Disco. It really does look cool, but it's a bit _too_ K.I.S.S. for my tastes.) - absinthium, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16@5wallace
As one Mac user to another, if you haven't rebooted your Mac in 4 months you are missing some important updates which do in fact require a restart. These kinds of updates happen at least once a month. I enjoy my Mac, but I have to call ***** when I see it. - MioTheGreat, on 10/11/2007, -10/+26gigantic bulbous? It's much more compact than XP's start menu, and has built in searching.
- Longmover, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17People seem to the missing the point. The disco smoke thing is an example of a program using lots of animation and eye candy which, in tiger, is a complex task to achieve. It will be a whole lot easier in Leopard to do all sorts of advanced animation/graphical effects thanks to core animation. That's the point, nothing more. No one is saying you should switch to OSX because of this and this alone, it's just another plus point.
- Insurgo, on 10/11/2007, -8/+23Microsoft already has this technology. It's called WPF, but you won't hear about it in this thread, since any mention of it gets dugg down my Mac shills.
- noahhoward, on 10/11/2007, -10/+24Oh my ***** god how many morons are going to make that same comment?
Are you driven by nature to make yourself look stupid or is todaya special day? - chelhydra, on 10/11/2007, -6/+20Apple blowing smoke up our asses again.
- thedraft, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17b) is the most apt observation. I mean it looks very cool, but guaranteed if this was a standard Vista feature, most comments would be like, "lol way to use that 2gigs of RAM lol."
- wastern, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16developers can add crazy animations and dynamic graphics to their applications with just a line or two of code. Apple has taken care of the rest
- Ramble, on 10/11/2007, -6/+18It's called WPF, and it's been out for over 8 months now.
- max200, on 10/11/2007, -17/+29no virus... no spy-ware... no crap-ware... that's not enough?
- SmSpillaz, on 10/11/2007, -5/+16Not really. Beryl and Compiz are window manager that provide window effects. There is not way for applications to plug into it. Yet.
- zigspective, on 10/11/2007, -16/+26You're kidding me right?
I'm just so lucky I get to use a Windows Vista machine for work, enjoying the view of a gigantic bulbous "glass" start menu. If OSX is tacky than Vista is Zsa Zsa Gabor.
But your point is moot as you can skin any os. - jstevewhite, on 10/11/2007, -9/+18@Wartz -
Well, it sounds silly when you say it, because it's obviously not possible. What 5wallace said might actually be true. I'm a recent convert (a year or two ago) to Macs.
Want some reasons that aren't related to the technical superiority of the OSX operating system? How about iLife? If you do *anything* with your computer besides surf porn and play games, OSX is far superior. iPhoto, Garage Band, iMovie - great stuff; they just get out of your way if you're not an advanced user, and make great scratchpad apps for advanced users and pros. There are a lot of best-of-breed apps on OSX.
I do have Windows installed in Parallels. Why? Well, for a start, office 2k7 is the best product out of Redmond since ... well, since ever. It shows that Microsoft can still produce something besides craptastic bloatware, and it does include some definite OSX-ish innovations. Also, my employer likes to write windows-only intranet sites. And I don't think Vista Sucks, as even most Windows fanbois seem to say - I don't see the processor hit from Aero that people talk about - it's supposed to be handled in the hardware of the video cared just like Aqua is, and my tests seem to indicate that it is. I just find OSX much more productive, stable, and useful than windows; this could change if the example Office 2k7 sets changes the way the rest of the world develops windows apps. Steinberg has released Sequel, which reviews well as a windows-based Garage Band replacement, but it's $99, not free with Windows. I think MS *could* compete with Apple, and 2k7 shows this, IMO, but Apple's market share is going to have to climb even more before MS really buckles down and delivers. Ideally, I would like to see Apple at 40% market share, MS at 40%, and Linux/BSD/other OSS at 20% market share... That would keep everyone honest and competetive, and NOBODY could drag the market around by its ear the way it's been done in the past.
And as for the "JAB" claims ( "OSX would be JUST AS BAD as Windows - for security, virus, spyware, etc - if it were in Window's Market position" ) - this claim is the result of poor logical skills. It requires us to believe that Microsoft cannot increase their security or improve their handling of virii or other malware - after all, they *ARE* in their market position, and therefore, via JAB, they MUST BE as bad as they are. It requires us to believe that all design decisions in software are security neutral, that no design could be better than Windows from a security standpoint. It requires us to believe that security is independent of the developer. Would OSX have MORE problems than it does now? Of course. Absolutely. Would it be "Just As Bad"? Of course not. Might be worse, might be better, but JAB is just plain poor cognitive thinking and generally silly. - allywilson, on 10/11/2007, -9/+18This really does sound like they've been watching Compiz/Beryl.
I use OSX, Linux and Windows (work and play for all 3) - I give Compiz perhaps 3 months to go way beyond this new visual "style" when Leopard is released. Windows - 3/4 years :-p - kmedlin, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11I think you're missing the forest for the trees.
While there are many animated desktop solutions already out there for both Windows & Linux. They are reactive elements of the desktop environment and not UI conventions.
The burn effect when a window disappears in Beryl is fun eye candy.
What Core Animation is bringing, supposedly, that is different from other animated desktop and UI "toys" is an integration into actual applications.
The "smoke" effect in Disco is merely a status indicator rather than a real UI element.
Consider writing a longer academic paper where you're referencing many other works. A nice use of an animated UI would be something that would allow you to manage "scraps" of paper within the application environment. Perhaps a "notecard" with the reference information on the front that can be "flipped over" to reveal important notes or citations that you want to include in your paper.
In this way the animation moves from being a nice effect or visual ornament to being something that is truly a part of how you interact with the application. In this case it helps maximize the use of desktop space by giving a single item a dual purpose in the same real-estate. Using mouse gestures or, at some point, a touchscreen interface combined with a keyboard you'd quickly be able to manipulate and manage virtual objects in the much the same way you manipulate real objects.
The verdict for me is DEFINITELY still out though. I wonder if the payoff is there given that so many people aren't looking for additional UI conventions. Microsoft's whole focus for the redeveloped Office UI was to give people as many familiar, but more intuitive UI choices. I think that is the way of the future rather than flashy animated ones. I'd be pleasantly surprised though because the potential seems limitless. - Snowy, on 10/11/2007, -6/+14I don't usually feed the trolls, but here goes.
I was like you, I ran anti-virus and was a smart user so the virus, up time, spy ware etc problem wasn't that important to me. I decided to join the bandwagon anyway because Mac had just switched to Intel and their laptops were a good price and looked nice (and I figured I could always run windows).
I have been extremely impressed with OS X and the software that runs on it. There is a subtle way that every application (that is Mac oriented) is designed. The software flows and works in a more pleasing way. It is very hard to pin down but I feel like I can get more done because of those subtle software differences. There is also some very creative and effective software for OS X like expose and quicksilver which not only work well, they work surprisingly fast and are great ideas.
After being a windows only fan for so long I have converted. I still can't quite pin down what it is, but after using it for an extended period of time there are tiny, yet genius and effective, changes that really make OS X a great platform - MioTheGreat, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10"See how dumb that sounds?"
Not really. It's entirely possible to run Vista and not get spyware, viruses, etc. (Thank you, UAC). The indexer does change how you operate the OS, and let's face it, I'd never go back to XP....
The 4 and half months thing without a reboot sounds stupid though. ATI releases graphics drivers which require a reboot (They don't always, but sometimes they act weird until you do) more often than that,... - OmniMe, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11@theradical
In the diggnation episodes, kevin and alex drink beer. it's a hallmark of diggnation. I think what he's implying is that he's part of the digg crew. it's also a toast to their continued success.
Alcoholic? who knows.
So many submittions it's lame? yes. -
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