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- Kinser, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28The short answer is no.
- shrewduser, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18"Everyone went for Dx because it had shaders and thus nicer feel for things and better performances than OGL until this one started having shaders. Add to that a good SDK to make things a bit easier and a stupendous market share and it's a no brainer why there are lots of games for Windows/Dx while other platforms (OpenGL only platforms) dont."
thats not what happened, there was never a serious performance difference between the two (openGL was generally seen as faster, and glide was seen as fastest) directX started gaining traction because:
A. it did more than graphics (input, sound etc)
B. Microsoft invested millions upon millions into it because they knew they could use it as a tool to keep their monopoly running nicely.
seriously openGL was born out of a need for a graphics API, directX was created to maintain a monopoly and has more money behind it (nobody working on openGL does it for serious cash) thats the way it is. - randomvictim, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Serious gamers update their hardware at least every 6 months. I don't see apple pulling this off.
- CanOfMDAmp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Except for that whole part about DirectX being a Windows thing.
Mac gaming means OpenGL.
So if you use a Mac to bypass that whole problem..what is the point? - terasurfer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I stopped reading the article when I hit:
"Steve Jobs had them make it hard to develop games on the Mac because he wanted it to be taken seriously..." - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12They are looking for "a games developer," not a whole drove to create a team.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+19Stay the ***** away from my precious..
- danakin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Don't bother reading the article, it's fluff and has no real content of interest.
- lysdexia, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Serious gaming - now there's a ***** oxymoron.
- cdmarcus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8zdiggler... huh?
- praisethelard, on 06/06/2008, -1/+8zdiggler, if their current customers just browsed the web then their current customers would just buy a $300 eMachines instead of a $1000 Mac.
- cdmarcus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8zdiggler, you know NOTHING about Macs. Many people who use Macintoshes are designers who use them to create movies and music (more so than PCs.) In addition, they don't use PowerPC chips any more, so it's not Mac G(whatever) any more.
- lukas88, on 10/12/2007, -9/+16Macs are good for their style and ease of use as well as the undeniable status symbol. People usually buy them for those reasons.
They will never be good for gaming, not as long as apple has a chokehold on the hardware suppliers. If you have a mac, you can only get memory, CPUs, displays, video cards, etc from a very limited number of manufactorers. PCs have little or no restrictions on who makes their parts so there is competition for manufactorers both in price and performance. Gamers who really know hardware will always choose PCs. For that reason, game makers will always make games mostly for PCs. If Apple had a less oppressive computer parts policy, that might change.
And gaming for the ipod? I don't think that will ever be described as "serious gaming." - BlackKnight6, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7He is referring to the 8800GTX being DX10 compliant (SM 4.0, etc). In a way, there ARE cards of certain HIGHEST supported DX level. Goto newegg.com, you can filter video cards by DX level.
That aside, one of the biggest things that keep gamers away from Macs (other then lack of games and support) is the fact that Mac hardware is not like the PC in which you can upgrade each part easier and cheaper, big on the cheaper part. I have a PC, obviously, and I upgrade parts all the time for my games. I love Windows and have had a Mac before. I just like Windows/PC because of the things that the Mac lacks (mainly the games and cheaper/more modular hardware) and in my eyes the Mac is for simpler people (that is not an insult, I just mean my grandma would get a Mac from me but all my friends I would give them a Windows PC).
My system runs great and never crashes (unless it is BF2 that causes it, that game will never be fixed it seems). Unfortunately I will probably get buried for saying I like an MS product but hey, I do and I am being honest. - shrewduser, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8the 8800 is not a "directX card" directX is the api, it works with openGL just the same and there are linux drivers for it...
there's no such thing as a directX card. - geoffpado, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8@xkidmidnightx
Bah. It sounds like you're trying to play up the Mac, but you're wrong.
I'm a Mac developer.
Mac user? Check.
Gamer? Check.
Nerd? Check-MATE.
Mac gamer nerd since 1991, and proud of it. - NewChar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Wow, this was one of the worst articles I've read on Digg. It sounds like some high school kid talking about what types of games he likes to play.
- rtini, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Macs still are not good gaming platforms even with boot camp because of lack of hardware support. To be serious about gaming it's all about having the latest (or as close as you can afford) video card. Do the Intel macs support pci-e? What about SLI?"
There is no 8800 card out yet for Mac, NVidia is working on it. The best available gaming card for Mac Pros is currently the ATI x1900XT 512MB. The Mac Pro has PCI-e, it supports up to 4 graphics cards for a total of 8 monitors. - D3koy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Because Microsoft and Nintendo would kick their product off the map within 24 hours...
- WiZZLa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5inbred, that $300 eMachine doesn't look as pretty.
A Mac Mini might be a better solution. - BlackKnight6, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4PowerPC is IBM, not a Mac thing. The PS3 and Wii all have IBM CPU's.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5seriously.... without major developers going Mac, the scenario described is highly unlikely....
but like randomvictim said...
"Serious gamers update their hardware at least every 6 months" - KyleMistry, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"Even though it is fun, Photoshop doesn't count."
Hardcore Mac gamers set the filters to difficult mode.
:D - Xilon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Why would it be hard to develop games on a Mac? Because Windows hasn't made a Mac version of DirectX?
OpenGL works the same on Mac, Linux and Windows... - MaxPayne3476, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4What the ***** did you just say?
- KyleMistry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Tunes? Pod? Life?
Good god, man! Tell us! The public has the right to know! - KyleMistry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4iNtendo!
- rtini, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Serious gaming is already here for Apple. Using Boot Camp, boot into Windows and do all the "serious" gaming you want. It's what Windows is for!
- cdmarcus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Well, zdiggler, your customers are idiots.
- zdiggler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5yeah, CS alone will get some customers.
- Xilon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I think the PowerPC chips stopped at Mac G5. They use intel chips now...
- MrSunshine, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Games are the reason to sell hardware and therefore dumping the prices. It started with Windows and now the spiral is continuing. Manufacturers have found out that they can make money with it and got their junkies. There's absolutely no need for new hardware every six months other than for games. If you need the latest shading effects just for gaming, it's your fault.
- Xilon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I really don't know why DirectX is used. id software and many other companies (mainly Raven though) have made amazing games with amazing graphics using OpenGL (and I guess SDL etc). Incidentally those games are also cross-platform.
- jcaino, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5this is an excellent reason to open source drivers....allows cross-platform use
- krolls, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9It would be silly to try to sell Macs to gamers, thats like trying to sell Windows to Mac Fan boys
- MaxPayne3476, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3My question, with bootcamp, is your MAC basically a PC. Are all the drivers there and can I play pretty much any Windows game. If this is the case, hello brand new Macbook Pro :)
- D3koy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7I don't care about anything but Valve/Steam
You get your hands on that and my next computer will be a Mac G(whatever number they're on) - pleaseluggage, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Look at all of the advertising this guy's blog gets. Without a link or evidence that this is something more than a guy to make more games for the iPod, I call shenanigans.
SHENANIGANS! - Fentekreel, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7I'm just wondering why everybody is on the DX kick what ever happend to opengl? Not to many games support it though still i bet it could hold its own aginst the DX core
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3the hurdle that mac needs to get over in gaming is direct x. they need to convince deveopers to use open gl so that it is simple for them to make a port to the mac or Linux for that matter.
- Fentekreel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4If you think about it though gaming hardware has gone compleately out of control. Do we really need such "advanced" hardware every 3 weeks/months? Look at fear evan on a dual sli the scripting for single player brought many "gameing systems" to their knees. I remember seeing 3d landscapes back in the day in dos....remember that text only prompt thing.... anyways....I still wonder if developers are taking any time to make quality well running code for their games....look at actavision claiming the xbox360 will not be able to play their new master piece COD....i would hope with that much power dedicated to just playing games that they will be able to make something work...that aside...with having the hardware pretty much contolled by apple it would make gaming easier for everyone to be playing on the same page....the graphic cards in the new intels are pretty nice they may not be on the op of the line...but apple makes good effort to make sure everything works better than just good....they make effort to have the hardware actually stable....my personal experience with the apple hardware is very little to do with it malfunctioning with the os and what uses it through it but only when it malfunctions. I'm not saying that never happens just that i have not seen an issue with it.... Though i would say the biggest issue for development would be making a game that works on a multitude of hardware that could or could not be there....i remember that being the issue when "monster3d" was still about and kicking....
though in the end cross compatible gaming would be ideal ... though games go where the money is... weather it be from the OS developer themselves or actually it comes down to the consumer....the more the merrier at the right price... - r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Because Windows hasn't made a Mac version of DirectX?"
DirectX is a lot of APIs bundled into one big API which provides a lot of the gaming functionality.
On the Mac you have OpenGL, CoreAudio, CoreVideo, CoreImage, CoreAnimation and some input-device one that I forget the name of which are similar to DirectX, just separated. You have to do the same amount of crap to get the audo into CoreAudio as you do for DirectSound, about the same amount of work to get stuff into OpenGL or Direct3D, and there is nothing even remotely like CoreImage, CoreVideo or CoreAnimation in DirectX.
The work is the same you'd just have to do it twice, once the DirectX way and then the Core... way. - consonance, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5A platform with 5% of the market share is a bad risk for game developers to take when they could easily take the other 95%. Even if Apple supports the high-end hardware gamers use, game developers won't go for it.
- LordSkywalker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Of course it is! Didn't you guys hear about Photoshop CS3?
- r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"That's means, if game get too advanced for Mac's, Mac Gamer must buy whole new system because as of right now mac is CLOSED!"
Isn't this exactly what you just said you are having to do with your PC now? - D3koy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Yeah, they only way apple could pull it off is if they became like every other computer manufacturer out there...Once that happens they lose because they'd be too far behind. Not seeing apple doing games anytime soon, at least not regularly..maybe one or two every 3 years...
- Jumangi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Maybe Jobs can get Carmack to show off his next game engine like he did with DOOM 3 years ago so he can show what a cool gaming platform the Mac is. :)
- zdiggler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'd remember playing Frogger on it.. I don't think PC even had frogger at that time.
- br208, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Disclaimer / Disclosure: I am not a gamer (Frogger on an Apple][ plus is probably the last I played) and some of you would call me a Mac Fanboy (I'm not but...) A few things I would like to understand:
1. What percent of Windows market share do you attribute to "serious" gamers?
2. Why game on a PC rather than on a console? - r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Theres no profit when your target audience is just a few percent of computer users"
Go tell that to Aspyr, although their coding leaves a bit to be desired judging by the speed of Civ4 on my G5 iMac. -
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