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Intel Transition to be Complete by August in All Macs?

thestreet.com — "Citi expects Apple to complete its transition to Intel-based microprocessors in August with the introduction of a new, dual-core PowerMac, with Intel-based iBooks coming as early as April. The brokerage also expects Apple to release a new video iPod in April."

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  • KidVicious, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21Digg is a user-submitted and moderated news site where stories are promoted or demoted because of their popularity. If you don't like the stories that get promoted to the front page, deal with it. If you can't, Digg isn't for you. Try Slashdot.
  • plkrtn, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Maybe I'm the only one who is bored of it, but for GODS SAKE, let Apple get on with it.
    I am sick and tired of hearing the rumour and speculation built up by journalists and the fan community. Whatever Apple release will always end up as a bit flat and lifeless because of all the speculation being so far fetched at times.
    The new PowerMac will be out sooner than people think, but they won't get rid of the G5 line until Adobe comes over with Photoshop.
  • cmiller1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7In addition to the powermac and the other sizes of powerbook they also need to change the XServe to x86
  • inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Dugg, just to annoy all the people who whine about Apple stories being on the front page.
  • MikeSavior, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8"Transition to be complete" does not mean developers will all be ready. Does Apple have any idea how many apps still need to be ported?
  • Doece, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4In this weeks TWIT Will Harris was talking about chips intel was showing at their developers forum, which are different chips from the core duo, so I don't see a powermac by August.
  • brenthals, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5If you recall, Adobe didn't have an OS X version of anything for almost a year after it's introduction. Neither did Quark.
  • geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Dunno why you got modded down, but I don't think Apple has any way of knowing how many developers have completed their ports (though to be realistic, it shouldn't take that long for the smaller companies/people; smaller businesses mean less code overall, and generally newer code using the newer APIs (Cocoa), which are just a compile away from being Universal Bins). Adobe, on the other hand, is taking their time because they know they've got Apple where they want them.

    Secondly, they said by year out they'd have the whole line switched over. Which means they can have all of the platforms switched to Intel and still sell the pro machines that they need to sell as G4/G5s. So really, I don't think they're going too slow. I think they're striving to stay ahead of the goals they set for themselves, and that the transition is going much smoother than they ever planned (I've yet to hear any big "OH NOES MY APP CANT BE PORTED" posts anywhere yet).
  • MikeSavior, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Aw, I get modded down for telling the truth? Oh, well..

    Honestly, I'm pro-Apple and I have no problem with the intel switch. But I think maybe they're moving just a teeny bit too fast with this. The quick jump has to be overwhelming the few developers who don't yet have an intel mac but still need to port stuff. It's kinda sad to hear that once Adobe said they were going to put out photoshop for the intel macs, Apple peed their pants with glee and rushed production with all other Macs. It's like they're saying, "Our systems ride the wave Adobe pushed up for us!"
  • topper24hours, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Also if anyone at apple reads this forum, you should be thinking to yourself. "We could make a ***** of money selling Mac OS on PC"

    ONLY smart comment on this board! DUH!!!!!!! M$ has made WAY more $ selling OS than Apple has made selling hardware. Dell, HP, Gateway, Sony, etc. would LEAP at the chance to buy OSX for their PCs instead of Windows! Their revenue would skyrocket offering a few OSX models. Apple would make dope cash, everybody would win!
  • JohnBooty, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"geminitojanus, although there is less code, there are less people who can afford to get a Intel mac just to move their software over....expeially with the small companies that provide FREE software (however small that group is in the OSX community)"

    I realize that $600 (to buy an Intel Mac Mini) isn't exactly pocket change and it's going to shut a few poor hobbyists out because they can't afford to buy an Intel-based Mac.

    But still, $600? That's pretty cheap in the scheme of things. Almost every software developer I know can afford that. Aside from giving away computers for free to anybody on Earth that wants one, I'm not sure how Apple could make the transition any easier...

    -XCode for painless Cocoa-based Universal Binary creation
    -Very affordable low-end hardware for those that need to buy an actual box

    Technology marches forward, guys. And you know what? Sometimes it costs money. Stop whining.
  • chookalana, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Over 1,000 Apps and games are now universal. Apple is getting there with it's partner developers. People complained that "Macs use the out-of-date PPC." Now that Apple is transitioning to Intel, people still complain. Fact.

    Why does Apple get lambasted for continuing to try to make it's products better? I use Macs. That's my preference. Would you want to live in a Windows only world? Or an Apple only world? I would not want either. Competition is good for all of us.
  • flyindutchman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Foresight? I think you mean hindsight. Foresight would have required the switch to happen before all the notebooks were obsolete compared to PC counterparts. Not a year after.

  • chookalana, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3If you are the average person, you will benifit from buying an Intel Mac. Most Appls run native or seemless in Rosetta. You really can tell say if you are using Office. They do run much fast and smoother. OSX like NeXT OS is optimized for Intel. The only thing that may hold you back is any Adobe product.
  • deepsub, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Classic mode is not supported in OSX86. I imagine X86 emulating PPC emulating 68K makes the apps unusable.
  • rblinne, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Are any of these 64-bit? One of the markets for PowerMacs are 64-bit scientific and engineering apps. Are these going to be left behind?
  • chaos86, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2if you dont like digg anymore, ***** off, dont stay here just to bitch about it.

    that said, I do think digg needs a system where users can select only the catagories they want to see, and not be shown the others.
  • JohnnySoftware, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Citi expects Apple to..."

    If investment analysts were almost always right, we would all be millionaires.

    When Apple announces it, I dig. When a Wall Street firm "predicts" it, without listing any supporting facts or logic, they are asking for one huge leap of faith.
  • System84, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Having Apple stories on the front page is no different than the numerous AJAX and CSS articles that are on here, or the silly stories that have nothing to do with technology. The difference is that most of us can put up with it because though repetative some of them have very good information and there are many other stories of interest. So, if you have a problem with Apple being on the front page every so often you need to learn to not pay attention to the Apple articles and find other posts of interest, or get your information elsewhere.

    Now onto the Apple part. I had never been an Apple fan until I started working in a school district that primarily uses Apple computers. Now I love the things because OS X is a nice operating system and they are very good for Applications. Granted I still primarily use a PC because I am a heavy gamer, but I do have an Apple laptop. I for one hope this news is true because it will show that Apple can successfully make this transition into a better and faster Apple computer. The software market is already starting to adapt with universal binaries.

    Go Apple and keep the good stuff coming.
  • penguindude15, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1i am thinking they will come out with the new ibooks and Tower together. At the same time, a new OS (4.5). I hope they come out with new designs since it is the last of the move to Intel. A black-glossy ibook would look cool. Apple's 30th is coming soon also....
  • wastern, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6actually they need the PowerMac, the 12" and 17" MacBooks, and whatever the new iBooks will be called

    ever since that processor announcement by intel this has been predicted. this isn't anything new. I'm guessing the PowerMac will be out around then. they will probably keep selling the Quad until Photoshop is release in Universal form. hopefully they will drop a bombshell and release it with the PowerMac in August

    I'm sick of all these rumors as well, this is going to be a bloody long year if the rumor talk keeps this pace. i want them out if for no other reason then to shut people up
  • deepsub, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3IIRC, Photoshop/Quark/etc. lagged the transition to PowerPC from 68K in the mid-90's.
  • geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3"geminitojanus, although there is less code, there are less people who can afford to get a Intel mac just to move their software over....expeially with the small companies that provide FREE software (however small that group is in the OSX community)"

    Luckily, Apple thought about that too, which is why XCode can cross-compile (for the non-coder, that means it can compile binaries for both platforms on either platform). Nobody actually /needs/ to have an Intel Mac for porting their application. If they're using the older Carbon APIs, it probably would be quite a bit more difficult as Carbon doesn't hide the endianness of the platform as well was Cocoa does. But, by the good graces, there aren't very many people who still use the raw Carbon APIs (especially not lone developers or small businesses), and there's a whole community of helpful people out there who are willing to help you with your ports.
  • geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Conroe and Merom are in production right now (meaning that supply is not where it needs to be for a mass shipped product). Very likely Apple already has their hands on some of the earlier production run and are already building machines with these chips (and they might be shipping as early as late next month).

    However, Woodcrest is still on target for a Q3 delivery, which means we should see Apple Power....MacMacs and XServes last, and August would be a good date for those machines (though September would be a better date).
  • m.sandstorm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1So does this mean that I shouldn't buy my 12" powerbook now? I kinda don't care much about the apple intel switch since this would be my first apple. I would rather go with what I know works now, then upgrade later.
  • yllabianbitpipe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I think anybody who is unenthused about this move to intel should take a step back and realize how hard a hardware transition is especially when you're trying to keep the user experience exactly the same across platforms. I don't know if its ever been done this seamlessly in the past with a well selling product. And to top it off it was done largely because of Steve Job's foresight and ability to hide a project crucial to the survival of his comapny for years.

    Can apple manage the transition of the car industry from gasoline to hydrogen? please?
  • inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Apple is working with Adobe to have Creative Suite 3 out by the end of this year.
  • LaughingMan11, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1The dual dual core G5 will probably be replaced with something with Intel's Kentsfield quad core chip late this year or early 2007. Basically, think of 2 Conroe processors in the same package.
  • bigbikkuri, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4I dunno, is it just me or does a dual-core PowerMac seem kinda, well, lame? I have dual-core in my Macbook Pro, dual-core in my iMac, dual-core in my god damn Mac Mini!

    I think the PowerMac will be Quad-core personally. Otherwise, what the hell is Power about it? (or Pro, as the case may be).
  • cmiller1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Actually the freeware and shareware communities are huge for OS X and some would say much healthier than those same communities in the Windows world.
  • LaughingMan11, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I don't thnik that Apple will be finished transitioning their entire product line by August. By August, they may have the next version of their pro desktop with a Conroe processor in it, but people have to remember that Apple has a line of 1U servers, the Xserve.

    Xserve may get Conroe, but more than likely they'll get a Xeon... perhaps Woodcrest when it ships. On top of that, the server software needs to be brought over, and there's been no word how the Mac OS X Server has been going for the Intel switch. My prediction: don't expect new Intel Xserves until after Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard.
  • jk_baller23, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I thought the transition was supposed to be completed by June 06? Or were the first ones supposed to come out June 06? I forget what Steve Jobs said at the WWDC.
  • 7ontheline, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Did anyone read this line, "The brokerage also expects Apple to release a new video iPod in April." Or did everyone already know this.
  • djdarkside, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4mac-digg?

    give me a break....you digg this story just to complain about it?

    apparently you should lay off the f5 button.....and get out more


    i, on the other hand think this is pretty cool....
  • yensed, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5My guess is that it will be alot sooner then that. All that is left is a CoreBook. My guess is April.
  • ZachPruckowski, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Well, if it's dual 2.7 GHz or whatever the top Conroe is, you won't mind too much. They need Woodcrest processors and the new chipset for the Quad MacPro, so that has to wait until the One More Thing event in November, but the lower two can go whenever Conroe is ready.
  • Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2There's a reason why digg is always filled with Mac news - because Apple is an attention grabber. They give people actual reasons to get excited.
    When was the last time someone posted exciting news about Dell's next PC? Point is, Apple's stuff is worth excitement, however overrated it may be.
  • manos, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0It will be a while till Apple comes up with a match for the Quad G5 "64 bit Computer". Even when the intel versions come out pro users will probably want to stick with their G5 native versions of their software for some time.

    I still think it's a shame the conversion to Intel aims to be complete. Intel would make sense for laptops and mac minis, ok even iMacs. But for pro workstations Power simply rocks. At least they could try AMD 64.


  • ZachPruckowski, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1I doubt we'll see lots Conroe and Merom before August. That's one of the reasons given for a very late WWDC, and also, the 2 of the 3 computers that would use them (iMac, MBP) just got a revision.
  • LQBMaV, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Dugg for the same reason as Techknowpagan...
    I seem to remember a flood of Google front pagers and nobody whined...
  • Polymira, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1To be honest...

    I want apple to release a new machine, nothing in their current line up...

    Now THAT would be something to digg...
  • inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Considering the current Powermacs have 4 processors... it wouldn't suprise me if the new high end PowerMacs had like 8 cores, allowing you to have your own personal supercomputer at home. I'm sure they would rewrite apps like Final Cut to take advantage of that -- when I think PowerMac, I think video editing. Just imagine being able to render video effects in seconds... or play chess like deep blue :-)
  • usergentoo, on 10/12/2007, -13/+10I agree

    "If I didn't respect the quality of Apple hardware I would puke. It seems that Digg needs to change their name to Mac-Digg or something like that. Everyday I see more Apple hype than anything else. Who cares. This is just a stream of hyped *****. Enough already."
  • DavidLightman, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1I can't see the PowerMacs ready by August. If Adobe isn't ready with Photoshop etc until next year what's the point? Worst thing they could do is kill the PMG5 too soon.
  • noneloud, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1geminitojanus, although there is less code, there are less people who can afford to get a Intel mac just to move their software over....expeially with the small companies that provide FREE software (however small that group is in the OSX community)
  • gweedo767, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3But you could always run them in Classic mode. If I recall, these apps just plain don't even run in Rosetta.
  • lala, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1Most Excellent!
  • killerklown, on 10/12/2007, -14/+6LOL this site should be called "Mac-Digg"

    Thats all we see anymore is mac releated crap. If I wanted to see this I would go to a mac only site. You should not have to put up with all this mac crap on this site much less microsoft crap.
    To make things fair I dont see why any related news from any OS maker should be submitted. That would cut down on a lot of this.
  • pzzq, on 10/12/2007, -22/+12so whats new? nothing.
  • skidknee, on 10/12/2007, -15/+5Just. Stop. It.
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