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- msgyrd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"Eh, depends on your experience. Windows is more intuitive (sp.) Macs are harder to switch to from Windows, and it's easier to use in the sense that you don't have to worry constantly about Viruses, Spyware, etc... but if you're an advanced Windows user, then you know how to protect your computer. Not everyone on digg is a power user, because they complain of viruses, spyware. This is never a problem for me though"
No. Wrong.
The Windows OS is easier for *you* because it's what you know. You were raised on windows, you were taught years ago where the control panel was and what you had to do to make changes. You find that securing a windows box is easy because you have a few trusted windows-centric websites you listen to, or you have friends that are competant and told you by word-of-mouth.
Don't mistake prior knowledge with ease of use. Apple is usually very deliberate with their GUI design. Things are where you expect them because other programs put them in similar places or it just makes sense that it would be where they placed it (iTunes is quickly veering away from this ideology however). Windows is completely random. Buttons and tabs have no design requirements, search bars are all over the place, you're given options that are greyed out an irrelevant. Linux has similar issues, KDE is feature rich but often poorly laid out, while Gnome follows Apple's vibe and makes a very slick (for linux standards) interface, but less options.
You also claim windows is easier, but then go on to state how many more hoops you have to jump through to just maintain a working computer. I'm a computer science student, I have linux windows and OSX machines, I've tried them all, and I'm what you would classify a "poweruser". When it comes to useability, OSX is the pinnacle at the moment. Installing software is just dragging a .App file from the disc, and at it's worst, still slightly better than a windows installer (I'm deliberately ignoring linux software installation).
You claim that "switching to Macs is harder" but I really don't believe you. You havn't convinced anyone with your instant yet subtle *Macs Sux0r!" post that you've actually tried to switch to a Mac. - master_of_fm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"This is a surprising move for Apple. One should take note that Intel's next generation MEROM processor will be pin for pin compatible with the Core Duo. Thus theoretically the iMac could be a machine with an excellent upgrade path. Granted, some serious skill will be required for disassembly of the current iMacs in order to achieve this." - kkapoor
as long as the vregs can support, intel is famous for making minute changes that require all new hardware or not supporting in the original rev. my intel 875 was supposed to support prescotts from the begining, but the early revs did not - master_of_fm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2that is pretty much a duh, the CPU's they are using are socket 479 which is an off the self intel part for notebooks. this was easily seen here
http://digg.com/apple/iMacIntel_disassembled_
http://www.kodawarisan.com/k2006/archives/2006/01/imac_core_duo_a.html - bedouin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2For all those complaining about Macs not being upgradable, there has been after market Mac upgrades for years. You could swap CPUs in Quadras from 1991, add extra ethernet cards, upgrade to PPC, use standard SCSI hard disks and RAM. Macs have always been upgradable. Exceptions to this have been all in one Macs, and even those have upgrade paths.
The only thing that's changed here is that Intel CPUs will likely be more inexpensive than PPC upgrades were. - CasadeMike, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It's too bad that every single post about apple (or windows for that matter) has to degenerate into the endless mac v.s. pc arguments. It's getting really tired, and in my opinion, ruining Digg.
You don't see a bunch of people arguing that their Toyota is better than someone's Honda - then getting sweared at and called a Toyota fanboy.
They are two different products that accomplish the same task. Different people prefer different makes for different reasons (aesthetics, performance, layout, whatever). The whole argument would sound quite ridiculous - just like it does now when the whole Mac PC thing comes up.
People have preferences. They use what they like to get the job done. If you prefer something else - that's great. Let's discuss the news that was posted. People like macs, people like pcs, people like linux. Great. Now that’s settled let’s move on with life. - kkapoor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is a surprising move for Apple. One should take note that Intel's next generation MEROM processor will be pin for pin compatible with the Core Duo. Thus theoretically the iMac could be a machine with an excellent upgrade path. Granted, some serious skill will be required for disassembly of the current iMacs in order to achieve this.
- breakneckridge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't know if the earlier iMacs had an upgradable CPU or not, but I believe that most of the Powermacs have always had their CPU on an upgradable daughter card.
- jk_baller23, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So if the iMac's are upgradable I wonder if the MacBook Pro's will be upgradable. Guess we'll have to wait a couple more days until people receive their MacBook Pro's (PowerBook was a much better name).
- -neon-, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Good point master_of_fm, just from what I can tell, the only way to get a 2.0GHz intel iMac is to buy the 20" version. And I wouldn't be surprised if apple did lock them somehow. Of course without checking it, no one can tell :)
- eric_n_dfw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You're right about the G5, but as far as the G3 and G4 upgrades go, there's always OWC (eshop.macsales.com), Fry's, CompUSA, eBay...
Check xlr8yourmac.com for a dozen or so sources. - -neon-, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The beauty of this is, this would be the first mac to have an upgradeable cpu without resorting to 3rd party solutions...
- ezkiel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"In my mind... if Windows is for noobs, then Mac's are for dumbasses."
Have you ever used OS X (10.4+)?
It can be for dumbasses or for power users. Please don't mistake logical layout for OS for idiots.
Linux is unneccisarily complicated. Typical of Dev's writing an os for Dev's without and regard towards the end user experiance.
Windows is decent. But looks like ass and has a ton of illogical quirks.
Out of all the OS's Ive used (Win 3.11 - XP, Linux (Gentoo and Ubuntu), and OS X) OS X is leaps and bounds ahead of any of them. - -neon-, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, I would like to see a cpu replaced on a g5 powermac....
- -neon-, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Shalabi, it is only an issue because in the past, the macintosh has been basically a closed system, restricted to parts known to work, as to keep the system stable and reduce the need for joe blow to have to spend hours on support to figure out why his el cheapo generic pos hardware he jimmied into his machine doesn't work, prompting said joe blow to bad mouth apple for problems that are his / her own fault...
- -neon-, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Not necessarily DullesGuy... The setup in the machines in regards to bus speeds and multipliers could have well been hard wired to the particular chip, knowing apple. This is confirmation of what most people have been *assuming*, and you know what they say about people who are too keen to assume something....
- neocitron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0good news...
say hello to aftermarket Apple mods - manfesto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@msgyrd and tsupersonic
I'm a computer engineering student that uses Windows, OS X, and Linux as well.
And I quite frankly never thought one was easier to use than another - it's a matter of PERSONAL preference, and I don't have one (well, outside of dependency hell in Linux, which can be frustrating).
Must be why I prefer Java as a language - it's designed to be cross platform, and I take advantage of that fact.
That aside, I'm glad to hear of a confirmed upgrade path on these new iMacs, but I'm more concerned as to what procs are going to be used in the other Macs - will this mean that you could drop a Core Duo in the Core Solo iBooks or Mac Minis? - cyberghost232, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0mac os x is gonna kill windows. poor bill. gonna switch over in about a year. just need to let apple work out any bugs they might have with the new intel machines.
- mattv, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0granny smith 4 life.
- kkapoor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Deduced, perhaps, but not proven until now.
- anti_hax0r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0They are Macs and CPUs.
-apostrophe police - jabba, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I read this somewhere but I'm not sure is ti true. The article said that Merom the Yonah successor is pin to pin identical to Yonah and that upgrading can be done just by simply sticking the CPU into the motherboard. Anyone know about this.
- -neon-, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ahh, nothing like a bit of fan modding ;) I kid, you wouldn't want to live in a hot area :)
- jabba, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Sorry guys for my previous post, it's been answered already, I had comments threshold on +1 and didn't see any of the posts above.
- robbh66, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"This could be deduced simply by regarding any picture that you've seen of an Intel-based Mac.
No digg."
Yeah, just like everyone deduced WinXp would run on a mac since they werent trying to prevent it.
oops... - master_of_fm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Not necessarily DullesGuy... The setup in the machines in regards to bus speeds and multipliers could have well been hard wired to the particular chip, knowing apple. This is confirmation of what most people have been *assuming*, and you know what they say about people who are too keen to assume something...." -neon-
it is not assuming, it would cost more to lock each system down to a specific clock speed than it does to make a board that supports a range of processors. besides from a technical view the chipset and cpu both support "enhanced intel speedstep technology" which is a way to dynamically change core voltage and clock frequency on the fly based on demand, this helps increase battery life. by default these systems support multiple clock speeds, multipliers, and core voltages. - master_of_fm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0sorry that should read "off the shelf"
- nannerla, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1old... well not this article but a similar 1 that said it wasnt soldered. I think?
- TheIguana, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The day that we all saw the iMac taken apart was the day we knew this....
Iggy :) - XxUNDEROATHxX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0What I want to see is someone ripping the mobo and parts out of the iMac, and mounting it in a different enclosure with watercooling and new components....
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"I run Slackware Linux, the farthest thing from a Mac with the exception of maybe the BSD's (very hardcore)."
Clueless moron. They ***** well have more in common with the Mac's OS than Windows does. - spamdies, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@ jocknerd "Put away the kool-aid and step away from your mom's pc. If you honestly think connecting to a network is easier in Windows than OS X, you obviously have never used OS X. Its no more than 2 clicks of the mouse from the desktop to get a dhcp connection."
hey see that kool aid, drink up pal, with xp theirs no mouse clicks involved. you plug in the cable and it connects... i think that defines easier.... - yikiad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I would venture to say that later on it won't be. anyone remember the original iMac? It had a mezzanine slot for processor/other upgrades, and when they came out with them, the slot disappeared on rev. b units.
Apple makes money off people buying new units. They can't bilk people on OS upgrades like M$, so they do it in hardware. - master_of_fm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"just from what I can tell, the only way to get a 2.0GHz intel iMac is to buy the 20" version" -neon-
same reason the only processor you can get in $299 Dell is the Celeron 2.53GHz, and why they dont offer dual-core cpus in their midrange line. it is to keep margins up they dont make as much by putting "high-end" cpus in "low-end" systems.
to use the ever popular car analogy, you cant get a 6 cylinder engine in the entry level car, you have to get the luxry model. the cars are identical minus trim options and there is no reason why you cant put the 6 cylinder in the entry level except they would not make as much money. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I run Slackware Linux, the farthest thing from a Mac with the exception of maybe the BSD's (very hardcore)."
Clueless moron. They ***** well have more in common with the Mac's OS than Windows does.
i second that! - master_of_fm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Be interesting to see, if an intel mac mini comes out as a single core wether a dualie would work in place, that is if the cpu is still socketed." -neon-
only if apple makes dual-core an option for the mac mini, the cooling solution designed for a single core would not be sufficent to handle the TDP of a dual-core cpu, especially in that small of as space - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Why do people write "No Digg" in their comments? LOL. Who cares if you bothered to digg the story? Usually, people have comments that make everyone aware of just how much they don't care for the story. Isn't that enough, or do they actually need to have some little smart-ass "No Digg" at the bottom of their comments to let everyone know that they, in fact, are not digging the story? Looks like kiddie time to me, folks. Get over yourselves. Withholding your single vote is not breaking the heart of the person who posted the story, and people mostly just laugh at you. :-)
- -neon-, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Be interesting to see, if an intel mac mini comes out as a single core wether a dualie would work in place, that is if the cpu is still socketed.
- -neon-, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yeah, and their hardware tends to be just a little more proprietary than dells ;)
- rspeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"The beauty of this is, this would be the first mac to have an upgradeable cpu without resorting to 3rd party solutions..."
What? Apple is going to start selling CPU upgrades now? It'll still be third party, just like it was with PowerPC.
Also of note, this NOT the first iMac with an upgradable CPU. That honor goes to, well, the first iMac. There were even CPU upgrades for those machines that added a FireWire port as well.
This is, however, the first iMac with a replaceable CPU that isn't on a daughtercard. There have only been two previous Apple machines to have this distinction, the PowerMac G3 (Blue and White) and the original low-end PowerMac G4 ("Yikes!" / PCI graphics). Since then Apple has gone back to using daughtercards, though there are still plenty of 3rd party CPU upgrades available.
Like someone else said above, I'd love to see some PowerMac G5 upgrades. - ibis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Okay, it's really hard to phrase this without sounding like a troll, but it's incredible that being able to upgrade the CPU in a computer in 2006 is cause for comment.
- hiro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"mac os x is gonna kill windows. poor bill. gonna switch over in about a year. just need to let apple work out any bugs they might have with the new intel machines."
I'll bet Bill's shaking in his boots. Would you like him to show you where the shift key is before you leave? - hiro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"
You don't see a bunch of people arguing that their Toyota is better than someone's Honda - then getting sweared at and called a Toyota fanboy."
Sadly, if you read American car sites, you see exactly that - svendickert, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0gosh, what a news. What is next? Apple features a plug-able current cable or an ipod in the colour blue?
- AttroPheed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Interesting that I don't give half a ***** about MAC's yet somehow I knew this ages ago.
- MonkeyFit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I wouldn't consider switching over to Mac. As far as learning windows, I was a complete noob on it until 3 years ago. Then I started playing around with it and had a very decent grasp on it with a few weeks. Part of the reason for that was documentation within the OS. OSX has horrible documentation that is actually built into the OS. I tried figuring out how to get it to connect through our router to the internet (It was my mom's school laptop so it had already been configured for their network, I just needed to figure out how to config it to ours) and I couldn't easily find any info inside the OS. I would have had to ironically get on the internet to find out how to connect the damn iBook to the internet. I have also had other numerous problems with Apple software. It just doesn't seem to work for me. I'll stick to my Windows/Linux PC and upgrade more than the CPU.
- dotcom101010, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0in my power mac g3 the cpu comes out
- thefilmguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This may hurt Apple with sales of new systems, but it means that at least for a while current users won't have to upgrade as often.
- jocknerd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I wouldn't consider switching over to Mac. As far as learning windows, I was a complete noob on it until 3 years ago. Then I started playing around with it and had a very decent grasp on it with a few weeks. Part of the reason for that was documentation within the OS. OSX has horrible documentation that is actually built into the OS. I tried figuring out how to get it to connect through our router to the internet (It was my mom's school laptop so it had already been configured for their network, I just needed to figure out how to config it to ours) and I couldn't easily find any info inside the OS. I would have had to ironically get on the internet to find out how to connect the damn iBook to the internet. I have also had other numerous problems with Apple software. It just doesn't seem to work for me. I'll stick to my Windows/Linux PC and upgrade more than the CPU."
Put away the kool-aid and step away from your mom's pc. If you honestly think connecting to a network is easier in Windows than OS X, you obviously have never used OS X. Its no more than 2 clicks of the mouse from the desktop to get a dhcp connection. - tsupersonic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0"The Windows OS is easier for *you* because it's what you know. You were raised on windows, you were taught years ago where the control panel was and what you had to do to make changes. You find that securing a windows box is easy because you have a few trusted windows-centric websites you listen to, or you have friends that are competant and told you by word-of-mouth."
No, wrong. I also am a CS student, and use Windows, Macs, and Linux. I consider myself a power user. I'm just saying Windows is easier to use than Macs. I know my way around all these OS's, I use them everyday. -
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