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- Flynnz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4hmm missing some important questions I think
1) "how come I can't get (insert many software and hardware options here) for Mac?
2)"how come my $3000+ Mac is almost 30% slower at rendering than my $800 Windows Machine?"
I would love to hear an honest answer for those....but that wont happen. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Let me give you a glimpse inside the mind of a Windows power user trying to use OS X:
Q. When you're using Firefox and a pop-under occurrs while you're not looking, how do you know that the window is there?
A. It's not as easy as it is on Windows. There's no Taskbar to indicate that another window is open. Also on OS X Alt+Tab doesn't switch between open windows, it switches between running applications. So on OS X the only way that you know when a pop-under window exists is when you close the main Firefox window or minimize it.
Q. I don't like Dashboard. Is there any way to stop it from running?
A. Yes, you can find some instructions on the Internet. Try them out and see how easy it is (not).
Q. Does Ctrl+Arrow Left/Right make the cursor skip a whole word in every application?
A. No, OS X is not as uniform as Windows. It must not be as easy for developers to implement this because many applications don't do it. Same thing with the "maximize button" and "closing the last window of an application", those features just don't behave the same in every application.
Q. I want to CUT and PASTE files, not COPY and PASTE files. How do I do it?
A. You can't. - gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yeah, they're not problems to some people but I think they're problems. For example. When you're browsing the internet you probably want your window to take up the whole screen. When you click on the green button, it will only make it large enough to fit the current page (assuming the current page isn't very wide). However, then you go to another website, and the dimensions are different. Now you have to click the green button again to see the whole page. It's ANNOYING. If I just wanted to resize the window, I'd do it manually using the bottom right corner of the window.
Also, requiring a person to press two buttons or to click three times just to close an app is dumb. There needs to be a close button. As it is, the OSX UI basically has two minimize buttons and a "resize to what OSX thinks is best" button.
I'm not saying this just coming from a Windows perspective either. Many Linux UI's use a more Windows-like scheme for closing, minimizing, and maximizing apps. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3jaypeg: "Windows trains users to maximize every window. It's a default behaviour....Windows has been dumbed down to make things less confusing for newbies."
In most X-11 window managers (for Linux/Unix) the default behavior is the same as Windows (the maximize button does what you want it to).
So I guess Linux and Unix have been dumbed down for the user too then? You're logic is flawed my friend. - MoeB, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"What a retard. This is an exceptionally stupid Windows user, definitely not an average one."
um... just because you're computer illiterate, that doesnt make you a retard, retard. - tadunne, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The green maximize button is not used to make windows Full Screen. It's used to maximize the window to the maximum the content in the work NEEDS! and no more.. (Itunes is the exception)
It's most annoying saying that things on OS X are wrong just because they work differently! It's not windows! It's only an issue if you are stuck in your ways!
This article does a good job of explaining these differences from a Window Users point of view:
http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2232 - PathDaemon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@solaripicasso: "Inside the Mind of a Mac Newbie, hmmm. The first stop is a lobotomy. I was a Mac user once, I switched during their Switch campaign to Windows and never looked back. My income has tripled and I don't feel like such an idiot, I only wished I had switched sooner, like when the internet first took flight, sticking with Mac cost me big time."
Holy crap this is stupid. You honestly think that your income has tripled because of the kind of computer you use?? As far as the internet, I seem to remember that Macs were the first to fully and simply support it.
Also, Macs changed a lot with OS X. I understand that the classic OS was a little weird, but OS X is great.
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@gotamd:"Yeah, they're not problems to some people but I think they're problems. For example. When you're browsing the internet you probably want your window to take up the whole screen. When you click on the green button, it will only make it large enough to fit the current page (assuming the current page isn't very wide). However, then you go to another website, and the dimensions are different. Now you have to click the green button again to see the whole page. It's ANNOYING. If I just wanted to resize the window, I'd do it manually using the bottom right corner of the window."
That's why its there. "Set it and forget it." Stop clicking the zoom button constantly.
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@gotamd"Also, requiring a person to press two buttons or to click three times just to close an app is dumb. There needs to be a close button. As it is, the OSX UI basically has two minimize buttons and a "resize to what OSX thinks is best" button."
You don't have to click two or three times. Just press command+Q on the keyboard and all the windows are gone. It's on Windows that you have to click two or three or more times to close an app: once for each window that's open. There's one minimize button, and yes, the other one IS a "resize to what OS X or the app's developer thinks is best" button.
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@Bromskloss:"But, but.. It's not free!!! Who wants software that isnt't free?"
Windows isn't free, and Linux isn't part of this debate. What are you talking about?
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@flynnz:"hmm missing some important questions I think
1) "how come I can't get (insert many software and hardware options here) for Mac?
2)"how come my $3000+ Mac is almost 30% slower at rendering than my $800 Windows Machine?"
I would love to hear an honest answer for those....but that wont happen."
Here you go. An honest answer:
1) You might not be able to get the same brand name, but you can get software for the same purpose from another company. What hardware options are you talking about that you can't get on Macs??
2) The "$3000+ Mac" is a quad-core, 64-bit monster. I can't see how it would be slower at rendering. If you do come into situations where a Mac does come in a bit behind... well, that's one reason they're switching to Intel processors. My Mac's working pretty darn well for me right now, though.
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@g_byte: Let me reanswer the questions you posted. I don't think your answers are valid.
"Q. When you're using Firefox and a pop-under occurrs while you're not looking, how do you know that the window is there?
A. It's not as easy as it is on Windows. There's no Taskbar to indicate that another window is open. Also on OS X Alt+Tab doesn't switch between open windows, it switches between running applications. So on OS X the only way that you know when a pop-under window exists is when you close the main Firefox window or minimize it."
A2: You're not popunder blocking? Hmm. I haven't seen a popunder in years. Well, the Window menu shows all open windows of an app, so you can look there. Command-` also cycles through open windows in most apps.
"Q. I don't like Dashboard. Is there any way to stop it from running?
A. Yes, you can find some instructions on the Internet. Try them out and see how easy it is (not)."
A2: Dashboard only loads when you activate it the first time. Go to System Preferences > Dashboard and Exposé and disable the key command for Dashboard. It will never load.
"Q. Does Ctrl+Arrow Left/Right make the cursor skip a whole word in every application?
A. No, OS X is not as uniform as Windows. It must not be as easy for developers to implement this because many applications don't do it. Same thing with the "maximize button" and "closing the last window of an application", those features just don't behave the same in every application."
A2: Ctrl/Cmd+left/right skips to the beginning and end of lines. Try option (you know it as alt)+left/right for skipping words. I think that Word might implement this slightly differently because it uses its own text handling/generation system, but other apps should be fine. The "maximize" button is actually the zoom button in OS X. It makes windows the best size determined by the app. In Safari, it's the height of your screen and the width of the web page, for example. The close button does quit apps that have no purpose with no windows (utilities, calendar apps, etc.), but doesn't quit apps that you might want to leave open (browers, word processors, etc.).
"Q. I want to CUT and PASTE files, not COPY and PASTE files. How do I do it?
A. You can't."
A2: Why? It's easier to just move them by dragging.
-EoC- - Slourte, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You're right macgabriel87, but when I surf the net with no real "productive" intentions, I want my scrollbar to be snapped on the right. There is nothing most annoying than wanting to scroll down and you end up clicking the window that was behind the browser (especially with the stupid one button mouse with no wheel)
I love Mac OSX and Windows, but I do also think that there's great place for improvement in both. - tarun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0gotamd--you nailed it. I don't care if Apple makes it difficult to maximize a window, but they don't. They provide NO way to and as a long time windows user I find it soooo annoying that Apple decides what screen size is "right" for me. Ok so I know it's sorta based on UI research, but I'd still like the fscking choice.
- gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1This article points out that the "Mac expert" guy has no solution to two of the most annoying parts of OSX IMO:
"Q: How do I make a window expand to fill the screen?
A: Hmm, this works differently on Mac OS. The green widget in the top left of every window will expand it, but not always to fill the whole screen. Depends on the app, the content of the window, and luck. Play around with it and see what happens.
Q: Why does clicking the red blob not quit the app?
A: Historically, Mac applications tended to use multiple windows. In many cases the tools would have a window of their own, the document a window, the preferences another one, and so on. So it became a general rule that all windows could be opened and closed independently, and that closing one meant just that - all it did was close the window. Closing the application was a different command. So it's a good idea to get into the habit of using Command+Q when you've finished with an application, to quit it completely. All running apps consume RAM, and since you've only got 512MB to play with, you'll be wanting to keep as much of it free as possible for running the OS." - withinavoid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0To each his own, there are Mac *users* and Other users. I think certain types of people enjoy each OS differently. The Mac with OSX has far more to offer than Windows. Linux and BSD are great for servers, Macs are great for desktop, and Windows are expensive gaming consoles.
Those who think there are no applications for Mac need to look at all the open source stuff you can run in X11. Macs also do a few things different than in Windows but that doesn't mean it's right or wrong, just different. I switched over a year ago and have been delighted ever since. Video editing and music composition on the Mac is superior. I use my Mac as my personal computer to get actual work done, my hacked XBOX for gaming and media center, and Linux and BSD for servers. - Flynnz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@g byte
dude dont waster your time...he is clueless. He thinks that running production level windows apps in emulation is a good thing. LMAO - Flynnz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0way to tell me LOL by avoiding every single bit of logic and truth.
I'm done with you, but I couldnt ignore one of your more brilliant statements so....
"you just left out anything mac. seriously? where is avid? where is photoshop?
illustrator? apples own software is good... damn man. you need to get bill to
let you out of the closet."
dude take your computer, open a window, then throw it out. Cause you are an idiot. THOSE APPS ARE AVAILABLE ON BOTH, and yes at the same time. Those apps are not "apples own software"
you are the Tom Cruise of Mac users.....say good bye - trqy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Okay okay, i may understand everything you told here. But c'mon tell me how stupid it is to resize windows ONLY from the right bottom corner in OSX. I already know the answer, nobody can't.. People mustn't be such fanatics about their everyday OSes. Every OS has positives and negatives. I simply don't understand why people defend the OS, the web browser etc they use.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@repalmer
OMFG, anyone who can't admit that being able to resize a window from any corner is better is an a$$clown apple-sexual fanboy. - manfesto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@DBR_ONIX and anybody else that can provide me with insight
The only programs I've come across that quit when clicking the red blob are Windows Media Player (which makes sense - emulating the Windows experience I guess), System Preferences (the only Apple app this seems to do it with), and X11 apps (OpenOffice.org and the ilk). This seems to be a pretty big gripe with some people, so I'm just wondering what apps exhibit this behavior to see why it's such a big gripe. - jaypeg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@g_byte: Please just ask yourself why do you need any window to be wider or bigger than the actual content it contains. Why waste the potentially productive screen area with dead pixels?
Yes, Linux is dumbing down the UI as well if they copy this default behaviour from Windows. At best, Maximize to full screen should only be a user selectable option, and I do admit the OS X would be wise to offer a user preference screen that would allow this for newbies or those who do little more than surf and read email. Actually, what would be really good would be the abiltiy to set screen maximizing behaviour for each app, although the only app it might make sense to me for would be a browser.
But please take a moment to look at this argument from true screen management point of view--which behaviour allows you to do the most with the available screen realestate--an not just a knee-jeck defense of your OS of choice.
Cheers - atheken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I love all the crap the Windows die-hards are putting out. The article is about the FEW questions somebody making the move to Mac asks. Many of them are the same questions I had, true he answers them differently than I would. I just don't understand how people can make broad claims about the consistency on a Mac as compared to a Windows machine. For anybody that has any doubt about the consistency of a mac, search the Apple Developer site for HIG (Human Interface Guidelines), this document has existed since the first Mac, and has been followed by most Mac developers since. Say that about windows applications. The Macs pricing has become very competitive with windows machines, NOT LOW-END Windows machines, but those comparable in features and specs. Are there things that bother Mac users, sure. Are there things that bother Windows users, sure. What I've found is that having owned a mac for several years, and a PC for ten years, my tendency is to the "mac way" of doing something.
- jaspinDroid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Even a Mac Mini is pretty decent (I suggest 1GB of ram).
Actually another now pretty good option is to just build a really nice PC for about $1000 and then just install OS X86 on it. :) - Benad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ah, a good Mac vs. PC flame... Two quick points for the morons still replying to each other in this thread:
1. If you need months of training to switch from Mac to Windows or from Windows to Mac, then I don't know why you're using computers in the first place. Stop using arguments to justify your lacking skills in learning and adaptation. Hey, you don't need to understand how it works to use a Mac or Windows, and a smart person always adapts *around* the quirks of the tool to be productive. We're not talking about Linux here (even though I hands-down prefer Linux over Windows for any serious software development).
2. You choose the tool (Windows, Mac, Linux, whatever) for you to be productive and not waste your time depending on what you have to do. If you pick a tool only because it's a de-facto standard or because someone else told you so, then stop defending your "choice".
There. Now everyone shut up and stop fighting. - dbr_onix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Which is better? I think you know my opinion."
Erm, an old PC that takes 30 seconds to load IE, or a shiney-new Mac, err..
I've used both Windows and Mac a lot(And linux quite a lot, but not using the GUI, just SSH to an old PC so I'll not mention that), there are annoying things to both systems, but, OS X has the most large annoying features IMO.. As was stated in that article, the window zooming instead of maxising, fine, that makes sense, but, as was also said, it is inconsitent, thats crap, some programs close when you click the red blob, others stay open in the background
For some things Mac's are better than PC's, mainly video editing (Final Cut Pro is great), but as soon as you start doing multiple things (Like I almost always do), OS X starts getting unmanagable. Also a side thing, the launcher can get very annoying both when it's hidden (It can pop up when you are fiddling with sliders etc at the bottom of an app), and when it's visible on full screen programs it wastes a lot of space, and accidenty clicking the desktop makes all the palletes disappear, and clicking on a picture in another program (Photoshop say), it's a little annoying have to alt-tab back etc..
Yeh, it's a nice OS, but there are some hugely annoying things, but, there are some really nice things (the exposé thingy, mainly)
I could do a similar list for Windows, but it's not really related to the GUI, which is simple and it works like it should (IMO), but the majority of windows problems are security related.. Depending on what you do, one or the other will be best.. For complete beginners, PCs are best IF someone with good computer knowledge sets up stuff like Firewall, and antivirius, and anti-spyware (And sets up automatic scans), basicly because the OS makes more sense, as foldering/windowing system people seem to udnerstand (The first time I used a Mac it made very little sense to me, first time I used a PC when I was young, I could use it okay). For people who know a bit about computers, and for stuff like web/email, Macs are good, then anything above average PC knowledge, it's personal prefernce, other than for video editing, then Macs generaly pwn windows :P
And now I'm bored again, feck
- Ben - das7282, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0LOL! When I first used a Mac I asked most of those questions too.
- JayA, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is, hands down, the worst article digg I've ever read.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@atheken:
"I just don't understand how people can make broad claims about the consistency on a Mac as compared to a Windows machine. For anybody that has any doubt about the consistency of a mac, search the Apple Developer site for HIG (Human Interface Guidelines), this document has existed since the first Mac, and has been followed by most Mac developers since."
Ummm, that's patently false. Apple doesn't even follow them all of the time. Some of Apple's programs quit when you close the last window, some of them don't. Where do you NOT see inconsistency? - Nermal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Also on OS X Alt+Tab doesn't switch between open windows, it switches between running applications. So on OS X the only way that you know when a pop-under window exists is when you close the main Firefox window or minimize it."
You can press Cmd-` (ie. the key above tab) to switch between windows in the current app. - doant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0interesting. I am thinking about getting a mac for my movies. but I am not sure I am now working whit Vegas. but I need a new computer. so should I go for a mac or just another windows PC.,mmmm any suggestions?
- jaspinDroid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If you want to do serious video editing get a Mac for sure.
- NidStyles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm a user of all three. I have Vector Linux on a P3 laptop. Windows on a Athlon 64. OS X on a Mac Mini.
Honeslty I must say that none of them are comparable to each other. My Mac is made for doing what I use it for, internet and whatnot. The Windows machine is for gaming, and never touches the internet at all. The Linux machine is used for work, and my schooling.
They all have their areas of best use. That's why they are all uncomparable. They are designed for different things, and diifferent fields of work. Use what fits you usage of the computer.
Complaining about specific details of each, because they don't fit what you need to do it ridiculous. You are nitpicking because you are stuck into use a tool in a way that you have before. Being human means adapting, and learning about the tools you use to get things done. It'll always be that way. - Flynnz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I can’t really think of (insert many software and hardware options here) that i
can’t get. i usually get it first in fact. PC people are the ones working on
old technology. we stay pretty cutting edge. I'm not sure that it was ever really
true that Windows has more software in practical terms. if you lop off what is
barely or unusable you have a much smaller set of available software and if you
rate usability the mac version will usually win which isn’t surprising since most
of he professional class software was originally made for macs. thats a long
head start.
IF you really believe this you live in a bubble, or dont do that much with your computer. - Flynnz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@repalmer
sigh so much Mac anger in you I sense.
Look I have no idea why Microsoft decided to use PPC in the 360. I would assume cause they are better at dedicated tasks (you know the whole RISC thing) Speed of processors is a mixed bag, just cause PPC might be good at some things, does not mean its good at others (other being floating point calculations needed for rendering) And PPC do not make Macs expensive, Apple does. I never said that the cost of the machines were because of the processor. I would also be willing to bet that when Apple does release an Intel based machine, it will still be way overpriced, regardless of hardware.
"thats all anyone would want to use windows for as far as in know. basic things."
That statement in itself shows your true fanboy colors. Really, only basic things? Most every movie, game, tv commercial, was done on a PC (and some use Unix for render farms, but its becoming more rare because of cost)
Not too mention that just about every engineer uses a PC to design, well, just about everything. But thats not even the point...cause I also know for a fact that Macs are used for high level tasks as well. Only a complete ass of a fanboy would think that ANY system is used for "basic things only"
"What were you doing wrong?"
hmm simple, I tried to render a scene on a Mac. Guess my first mistake was queuing up a render on both systems. I should have just buried my head in the sand like you and acted like what I was seeing was not real.
But tell me since you seem to be such an expert...what production house do you work for? How often do you compare projects on different platforms for crunch time?
">Another insult is charging someone over $3000+ for a computer that only comes
>with 512MB of ram. Sorry I respect Apple for a lot of things, but value is not
>one of them.
Oh, I see this is where you start dropping off the earth into fantasy."
Well I guess that the Apple website is Fantasy
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/7200504/wo/S91cDZqSEc4o3QRU2aI1I60JNtG/0.SLID?mco=3C9AFF2C&nclm=PowerMac
Now of cause you can add more RAM, that was never my point. My point was (thought it was obvious) was that a computer that costs over $3000 should not "start out with" 512MB of ram PERIOD.
"well, i’ve never had to use a PC and if you know your history you know that most of
the good software was developed for the mac first including MS Office. if you consider
that on my mac i can run windows apps, all x11 apps natively and all mac apps... as
well as apps from the command line. i think arguing about the past is irrelevant to mac
kicking the PCs ass currently in software availability. "
omg you really know nothing. I can see why you are happy with and dont question your cult. Let me try and give you just a glimpse into some options.
First off 3d applications.
Yes its true Maya, is in fact out for Mac. As is Lightwave. (which are not much of an option cause there are huge speed issues, both render better on a PC ...even lower end PC's)
But what about the other big guns? Like 3dsmax, and Softimage?
Those are HUGE in the industry and can not be ignored.
I would also like to point out that there is NO 3d app that is industry standard on MAC only. I would also like to point out, that I have yet to hear about any production facility using Mac for 3d.
Also the of list production level 3d cards that are available for Mac is slim to none and non-standard (wildcat etc)
There is insane amount of non-standard 3d tools for PC (which become VERY useful when you are in a jam). Its not even a comparison the amount of options one gets for software on a PC. You really need to educate yourself quickly.
So lets move on to the next item
Web Dev
Yes its true you can use Apache and the like on Mac. And while PHP is fantastic (which of cause has tons more tools for the PC over Mac as well, but lets move on), but what about .asp, and .net? Still incredibly popular for big companies. Without IIS and Visual Studio thats a huge dent in your toolset. And no hot Tamales is not an option (yeah like you even know about any of these things....why do I waste my time?), way too buggy and inaccurate.
CAD
Perhaps you have heard of an industry standard application called Autocad?
Also not available on Mac. But thats ok cause that must be that basic stuff you were talking about right? Creating plans for a skyscraper is childs play compared to the complexity that is iphoto....ass
And again there is no industry standard cad/cam software available on Mac.
2d graphics
This is the one area that I think Mac is close. I say close because both have all the major players. There is NO major production level 2d design application out for Mac that is not out for PC. And they DO come out the same time, or on PC first. Think you got that backwards....guess you dont use Macromedia apps.
Then again...what do you use your computer for? aside from trying to be "hip" and "cool"? Please tell me what complex things you do on your machine that PC users like myself do not?
Video Editing
In this area I will give Mac the edge. Because Final Cut Pro is fantastic, and a standard that you cant get on a PC. However, everything else (and more) is available on PC, and will most likely render faster (though I only compared Premiere).
now lets move on to hardware.
well we already talked about production 3d cards.
how about HDTV cards?
how about telephony cards?
how about the amount of gaming 3d cards?
how about the amount of simulation hardware?
how about the amount of medical equipment?
how about MoCap?
and I could go on and on and on and on and on and on but it wouldnt matter to you, cause these are probably those basic things you were talking about.
Windows IS the standard....I dont care if you hate it or not. Its a FACT. and with that FACT, also comes the truth that just about EVERYTHING comes to windows first, and sometimes ONLY. You can argue that you think windows is ugly, you can even argue about its security. But what you are saying is not only wrong, its not even close to being the truth.
"that most of
the good software was developed for the mac first including MS Office"
Most? yeah right dude. you are f'n clueless. I really feel bad for the Mac users that do know what they are talking about, cause you make them look bad. - Flynnz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"see... we know you’re just saying things to get some attention. i guess i’d ask
you this. if thats true then why are the consoles moving towards PPC chips.
Jobs main concern and reason to take up with intel was that their CPU vendors were
making PPC chips for others and they were already needing more to keep up with
demand. try running OS X under emulation on a PC. [don’t] people run windows under
emulation on macs all the time. "
Attention? but thank you for the reply none the less. Comparing a console setup to a PC is stupid. I suggest you read up on in engine rendering compared to software rendering (which uses the processor) Then after you educate yourself, do a search on comparing render times in Maya, lightwave, and Premiere (make sure they are using the same project files to keep it honest).
I also witnessed the slower render times in a production environment.It was only after this that I checked out some stats online. I was shocked at just how slow Macs are. I know its hard to accept these facts. But sometimes the truth hurts.
Another insult is charging someone over $3000+ for a computer that only comes with 512MB of ram. Sorry I respect Apple for a lot of things, but value is not one of them.
Yes people emulate windows on Mac's (myself included) and its a complete waste for anything other than the most basic of basic functions.
Also you are wrong, they are switching to Intel cause they reached a ceiling with powerPC...period. After all Apple could only distort benchmarks so much. I am VERY excited that OSX is moving to Intel, and think its a smart move.
Also, just wondering why you skipped my first question. - Flynnz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0hehe I guess I did see inside the head of a Mac Newbie....and I have to say its pretty scary.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@benad: Everyone should mind their own f'n business right? Just like you're doing?
Gimme a break. This is the INTERNET, arguments DO NOT end here until someone is proven right.
@repalmer: A real man wouldn't talk about someone else's wife. Obviously, you're a mac user. - Flynnz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@repalmer
you can TRY and say I'm angry all you want. Its just a sad attempt to try and divert from how stupid you look. But the truth is, I am laughing my ass off while I type to you. I have never met a computer user quite so ignorant as you (sorry, but its true). I find it entertaining. Though also a HUGE waste of time. - drn666, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0By "interesting", they mean "redudunant, often repeated and highly boring".
- jaspinDroid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0what a newb.
- manfesto, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@gamer31 - I'm assuming there are a lot of factors, like the number of Diggs received relative to the number of Digg users online at the time, and I'm sure karma plays a role in how quickly a story reaches the front page (lord knows AlbertPacino's got karma to burn on Digg). If only we could apply karma to the comments...
- macgabriel87, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Q: How do I make a window expand to fill the screen?
A: Hmm, this works differently on Mac OS. The green widget in the top left of every window will expand it, but not always to fill the whole screen. Depends on the app, the content of the window, and luck. Play around with it and see what happens.
See windows users dont understand the concept of "windows". It's amazing microsoft calls such an OS windows when it handles windows so poorly. Windows aren't meant to fill the whole screen. This reduces productivity. say your running IE and Word, can you see both pages on the screen at once? nope, you need to use the retarded task bar to switch windows. This seems like a concept a TV would use, instead of watching two channel, you need to switch each one. In os X, windows are NOT suppose to be maximized for the sole purpose of having multiple windows viewable. Full screen windows sucks, what sucks more is that windows-to-mac users dont see this change, they are automatically programmed to maximize each osx app window. they should be taught the true way of multi-tasking! - laughterkillsme, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Awesome, another mac story with no real substance.
- PathDaemon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@gotamd
I disagree completely. As far as point one, Apple's now selling thirty inch screens. Would you really want the zoom button to make a window fill it? Even their less expansive screens are often big enough so that you just don't need dominating windows.
Point two, I'd HATE it if closing windows killed any app. Take Word, for example. Let's say I'll be using it a lot today. I don't want to completely quit it and reopen it at any point. With Apple's system, I can open a few documents, close them, use the Project gallery, etc. without ever quitting Word, even if I close everything during a break. I might do the same with Safari: keep it open and hold onto my session cookies while leaving no windows open. This system also lets me quit entire applications at once instead of closing all of their windows individually. This is great if I've been examining tens of audio, text, or image files at once and want to clear them away.
Personally, Windows-style application handling has always creeped me out. Example: I click on Internet Explorer, and a window opens. It's taking a good thirty seconds to open (old computer), so I've clicked the icon a few times in case the computer didn't register it the first time (how am I supposed to know when an application is loading on Windows, anyway?). Suddenly, five IE windows are open! Aah! I close a few. I do my browsing, and close the final window. Wha? Is IE still open? Does IE quit when all windows are closed, or is it still there?? I realize that I forgot to look up something. I click the IE icon again. I wait a half minute for it to open. Aww, it was closed.
Mac style: I click the Safari icon, and it begins to bounce in the Dock. When finished loading, it stops bouncing and a black arrow appears under it. A Safari window appears. If I've ignored the bouncing and clicked Safari again, it just brings Safari to the front so I can see that it's really open. I do my browsing and close the window. Wait! I forgot to look something up! I either click it's Dock icon, which opens a new Safari window, or I switch to Safari and go to File > New Window (I can also use a key command) and complete my browsing. I quit Safari. All windows close and its arrow disappears from the Dock.
Which is better? I think you know my opinion. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I see nothing.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I switched to Mac a year ago and I really like it. I am not going back to a PC as my main platform.
http://www.myfinancesonline.com - l0ne, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Re: gotamd, these are not PROBLEMS per se. They just work differently and for a reason.
The green blob shows as much content as needed to make sure you see everything in the window onscreen. If less space is required to show the content than the whole screen, then the window will not fill the screen.
The red blob *closes a window*. To quit an application, you invoke its Quit command. The two things are separated on a Mac. - SolariPicasso, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Inside the Mind of a Mac Newbie, hmmm. The first stop is a lobotomy. I was a Mac user once, I switched during their Switch campaign to Windows and never looked back. My income has tripled and I don't feel like such an idiot, I only wished I had switched sooner, like when the internet first took flight, sticking with Mac cost me big time.
- AttroPheed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0
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